Kjølen Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 So what, are we all just suggesting that we should ban the media? If someone watches a violent movie and thinks "Okay, this could work, in case everything else fails," I don't think we should place blame on the movie for giving this person the idea, rather their own damn parents for not teaching them some f*cking morals. In conclusion: their life was f*cked up before they watched the violent movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 While I can't tell if your being sarcastic or not, I'm not. But, winner of the good timing awards go to Stephen King... http://kotaku.com/376518/stephen-king-weighs-in-on-video-game-violence I'd say that when kids and young people play games and watch movies which are basically suggesting "Any problems? Solve with a healthy, Hollywood-like portion of violence!" it actually can give them an idea about what they could do in case they fail to solve real life problems otherwise. It's not about what they do in particular, it's that they do it. Give me one good example of a film that glamorises violence and I'll give you a n example of a film that probably brought in large box office returns and yet I wouldn't suggest any more than 1% of the thousans of people that saw the movie solved their problems with a "healthy, Hollywood-like portion of violence!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fealiks Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 So what, are we all just suggesting that we should ban the media? If someone watches a violent movie and thinks "Okay, this could work, in case everything else fails," I don't think we should place blame on the movie for giving this person the idea, rather their own damn parents for not teaching them some f*cking morals. In conclusion: their life was f*cked up before they watched the violent movie. That's exactly what I've been saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Jones Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 ]I don't think we should place blame on the movie for giving this person the idea, rather their own damn parents for not teaching them some f*cking morals. In conclusion: their life was f*cked up before they watched the violent movie.No one wants to place blame on any movie or game. All I say is, there might be a dependency between the violent behaviour of young people and violence in the media, especially if they don't know better. More at least than there is between Monkey Island games and violence, for instance. It is sad enough that there are kids and young people whose life is ****ed up. And it's not their fault that their parents are idiots who are not teaching them a minimum about values and morals. Of course, it's not our fault either. But at the end of the day, its our world they keep ****ing up because when they look anywhere else than their asshat parents, they see nothing different. Give me one good example of a film that glamorises violence and I'll give you a n example of a film that probably brought in large box office returns and yet I wouldn't suggest any more than 1% of the thousans of people that saw the movie solved their problems with a "healthy, Hollywood-like portion of violence!"This is not about good examples and counter examples, Neil. It's about balance and setting examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted April 6, 2008 Share Posted April 6, 2008 Right, but again, if a kids parents don't set them on the right path from the beginning, exactly what chance do they have, media or no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted April 7, 2008 Share Posted April 7, 2008 Okay, so I've no idea who came up with the results for this, or what, but it's fairly interesting... http://i25.tinypic.com/2r6ns4y.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Jones Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 Right, but again, if a kids parents don't set them on the right path from the beginning, exactly what chance do they have, media or no? They chance of seeing that there is something else than only two people (if at all) being "unsuccessful" in raising children. Besides that, at some point in a child's life it's not learning that kind of stuff exclusively only from its parents any more. When they attend kindergarten, it's that they have a couple of hours where they learn from other kids (and indirectly these kids parents) and the teacher. While that isn't a bad thing, the parent's direct control during that time is not given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted April 8, 2008 Share Posted April 8, 2008 Very true, but it still oes come down to the parents. If the parents of the mass majority aren't doing their jobs properly, then there's nothing we can do. The fact that such violence is on TV or in games doesn't mean a kid should be subjected to it. That said, I've been around violent TV and Games my entire life and haven't once decided to go out on a killing rampage. I thank my parents upbringing for that and certainly not my friends growing up since most of the ones I had at an age where we were most impressionable grew up to mostly be troublemakers. They all pretty much had the same access to the media's I did and since we were all friends, we all influenced each other, and yet we ended up differently. Leads me to believe our parent have the most influence of us as children, we see them as authority figures, we look to them ultimately for guidance and, like monkeys, we follow by their example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjølen Posted May 8, 2008 Share Posted May 8, 2008 One whole month, and not a single post? Oh, how the great have fallen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samnmax221 Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 ^**** those people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 I don't got anything to say unless people say stuff first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjølen Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 I was specifically waiting for the one month mark to post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fealiks Posted May 16, 2008 Share Posted May 16, 2008 I've been on work experience so I haven't really posted anywhere for a while. Pfft. "work". 9 hours on my feet a day trying to figure out what retarded customers are asking me... Bugger that. I'm probably just gonna hang myself when I reach 18 because I can't be arsed with all that rubbish. It's that or I'll just live off the dole eating pot noodles and watching Trisha. And we all know where that road leads. To make things worth, the shop was playing both of the weirdly-depressing-when-looped songs from Shaun Of The Dead today (Blue Wrath by I Monster and Ghost Town by The Specials). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted May 16, 2008 Share Posted May 16, 2008 Yeah, that road leads down to Jeremy Kyle. Work experience, what a joke, get a job when you can, that's experience for you, working in some retail job for two weeks isn't experience, it's just a waste of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fealiks Posted May 16, 2008 Share Posted May 16, 2008 I'm planning on dragging my education out as much as I can anyway. I wanna go to college to study some sort of easy art crap, go to Uni to study some crappy easy art stuff and the get an easy job with some easy crappy artsy people. That's the dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted May 16, 2008 Share Posted May 16, 2008 That's the dream for everyone, unfortunately it never works out that way, art is hard as hell to get into. That said, I am getting published soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fealiks Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 Oh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 Yes, for the upcoming Discworld convention. A piece of mine is being printed on the front cover of a chronicle they're sending out before the con and I'm currently working on a piece for the front cover of the programme book (although that one's not as set in stone as the first one). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fealiks Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 Wow congratulations. Show us the picture then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 A slightly modified* version of this *modified so it would fit on a rectangular front cover, basically the stars extend upwards, the blank space to be filled with the title and whatever text they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Jones Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 isn't that more like square-ish? nope it's 900x903 actually test hey that's cool you can't double post anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 Precisely, the one I showed you is the original, the one that's going to be on the cover is more rectangular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Jones Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 Hey, are you just trying to drag me into a discussion about geometry?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 :eyes: Yes, yes I am. But if you want to get technical, the image to be published will be of A5 size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Jones Posted May 19, 2008 Share Posted May 19, 2008 Nifty piece of art, though. It made me think about checking out the games. Are there demos available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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