GUNNER Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 Ok, I will say right now I know nothing about AMD. But intel on the other hand is another thing...... Ok, I have never heard of a mobo only supporting one bus speed. it says 66 (and I'm not sure where he found the number at)but I am almost positive it will also do 100 and more. So like I said there is no need for a new board if he goes with intel. Think about it, if you want to make something wouldn't you make it to be able to be used by many folks with different needs and price ranges. A mobo that supports only one speed is like a car that only comes in one color. My mobo is a BX board. I started with a PIII 550 which is a 100mhz FSB, I bought a 700 that does 933mhz which needed a FSB of 133 so I went to my soft menu and turned the bus up to 133. so just because they say a BX board is for 100mhz chips doesn't mean nothing else works but 100mhz chips. Go to Abit and look at the list of boards that will work with celerons,and PIIIs with 100and 133mhz bus speeds if you dont beleive me. Intel make chips that will do 66(celerons),100 (pIII) and 133mhz on the FSB, and you can run any of these chips from one board. I can almost gaurentee it. As far as the BX board thats my bad, I built a PC for my folks with a Asus board that has the VIA chipset and it has a PIII 600 in it so a VIA board works as well. That board also will do numerous bus speeds. But you know what, if you don't trust me or think that I know what I'm talking about then that's all good too because I'll now step down from the help section. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacky_Baccy Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 Can't we just be friends? Please? I do trust you, (whether Redwing does or not is a different matter ) and I can see clearly that you know what you're talking about - especially when it comes to Intel. we're obviously trying to solve tha problem at hand in two completely different ways, which is counter-productive, and pointless. What I'm aiming in the general direction of is a good, cheap, easily and widely upgradeable gaming system, that will run JK2 merrily, at medium settings or there abouts. I 'know' AMD, but I admit that I have very little knowledge as regards Intel, sadly. I didn't mean to be offensive, but I did become quite irritated when you started bringing in what I see as 'unnecessary complications' to the situation (buying used). Please don't stop helping Redwing just because I disagreed with you - that's not fair on him. If we work together we can accomplish more things quicker than if we work against each other - what do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNNER Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 I would like to apologize for being an ass, I'm sorry. Forgive me. Your right though, I'm sure that somehow we can work out something that will work for him. The bad part is we aren't even sure what he really has, and that's bad because we are both assuming he has exactly what he says when I'm not sure he knows quite what he has. That make sence? If you want to save a few bucks I might be able to help some but it would mean buying used parts. I have in my possesion a Diamond Viper V770 ultra TNT2 and a stick of 128mg Mushkin pc133 cas2 with mosel vitalic chips that are not being used. I have kept them both as I always thought that if I build a PC for an extra LAN machine I might use them but if all else fails I might be persuaded to part with them for a price. But lets try to find him some new stuff if we can but if all else fails........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacky_Baccy Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 Of course I'll forgive you (but only if you forgive me, too ) That make sence? Yup - and good sense, too If you want to save a few bucks I might be able to help some but it would mean buying used parts. I have in my possesion a Diamond Viper V770 ultra TNT2 and a stick of 128mg Mushkin pc133 cas2 with mosel vitalic chips that are not being used. I have kept them both as I always thought that if I build a PC for an extra LAN machine I might use them but if all else fails I might be persuaded to part with them for a price. That's a very good idea. We're already getting things done quicker now that we're working together But lets try to find him some new stuff if we can but if all else fails........ Agreed - if we can find new stuff at good prices it would be nice I suggest we try and narrow down the specs of this thing, so we have a common goal to aim for. As a starting point, I would suggest the following - An Athlon CPU would be nice, if we can find something cheap. If we go AMD, then a KT266A mobo would be the best, due to it's upgradability. Something around that Viper you've got should do fairly well for graphics. I don't know what wattage P3s need, but I'd bet it'll be more than his current PSU has to offer, so we'll need a new one of those. 128MB of RAM should be fine - DDR if we go Athlon and KT266A so as to get the best out of the system. If we go down the new ATX PSU + mobo route, he'll probably need a new case, too, but that can be taken care of with a Case+PSU combo. What are your thoughts on those? Feel free to suggest something Intel-based - the more options the better, as long as we work together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNNER Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 your forgiven although I was the one that was being stupid... I have a great suggestion for a case as I have one. It's an Addtronics and she is a beauty but she will also blow half your cash. hehe I'm not good with cases but I thought Antec or Inwin made some good ones for a decent price. Most any set-up will need 300watts minimum wether intel or AMD. I agree with the TNT2 card, they are nice units and can still be purchased for a good price. AMD would make a good choice, what about even and older T-Bird, are they still nice units? 128mg of ram will do for now unless you find a sweet deal on some.. I have used Corsair, mushkin and Crucial and all of them are very good peices and would recommend any of those makes. My corsair was PC100 Cas3 and ran 112FBS at Cas 2 no problems. I'm not up on the DDR stuff, I'm still plugging along with the PC133 stuff. I built my forst unit with parts I found on Buy.com have you used them before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 0.o;;; this whole thing is making me feel a lil...guilty The bad part is we aren't even sure what he really has, and that's bad because we are both assuming he has exactly what he says when I'm not sure he knows quite what he has. I'm afraid you're right X_x I really don't....the system specs I posted earlier were from the sticker on the front of the computer....I don't know the other stuff because, well, I don't know where to look. I think my problem is, well, to give an example, until a couple days ago I had no clue what a "front system bus" was. The model of the computer case (I THINK, since the grey sticker on the back says so :rolleyess) MODEL: etower 466is RATING: 100-120/200-240V~, 50/60Hz, 2.0/1.0A I have absolutely no clue what that means. Can, erm, someone tell me? I'm really, really sorry for causing all this trouble... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacky_Baccy Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 I have a great suggestion for a case as I have one. It's an Addtronics and she is a beauty but she will also blow half your cash. hehe I so know where you're coming from I'm not good with cases but I thought Antec or Inwin made some good ones for a decent price. Most any set-up will need 300watts minimum wether intel or AMD. I know InWin's stuff - I've used them before, and they're good - they might well be the best to go for on a budget. I agree with the TNT2 card, they are nice units and can still be purchased for a good price. That's the graphics sorted, then AMD would make a good choice, what about even and older T-Bird, are they still nice units? They're still VERY nice pieces of CPU - I'm running an 800MHz one very happily 128mg of ram will do for now unless you find a sweet deal on some.. I have used Corsair, mushkin and Crucial and all of them are very good peices and would recommend any of those makes. I've never used Corsair, but I've found Mushkin and Crucial to be very good performers I'm not up on the DDR stuff, I'm still plugging along with the PC133 stuff. I'm fairly clued-up when it comes to DDR, so that's OK I'm still running 133 too, but not for long - I'm also upgrading for JK2 I built my first unit with parts I found on Buy.com have you used them before? No, but it wouldn't have done me much good if I had - I live in the UK! I've been doing my fair share of getting to know who the major US e-tailers are, though, so don't forget me completely on that front Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNNER Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 That's FSB, Front Side Bus ,big guy. It is how fast the info moves accross your bus system. The faster the better.. Hence your is 66, that's the slowest system out there. Then there was 100, then 133 and now AMD has a system with a 266FSB. Although I'm not exactly sure if that is a true speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNNER Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 Well how about we find an inwin, a tnt2 and some good ram. I have found that cheap ram is just that, very cheap and if there is one thing that should not be scrimped on it's good ram. Can we find a good tbird 700 or so for a good deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNNER Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 Red, it's no problem. I just got a little excited, that's all.. Problem solved.. As far as knowing what you got you might need to tear the side off the case. If you are looking at the front of the case then the left hand side should come off to reveal the insides. The guy who put in your HD had to take it off so ask him to do it again and you be there to look inside just keep your can of Coke away from it. I would imagine that the 100-120/200-240 has to do with the voltage, as in your house is wired for 110V The 50-60hz has to do with just that hertz and lastly 2.0/1.0A has to do with the amperage. What we need is on the inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacky_Baccy Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 I didn't see your post when I posted that last one, Redwing - explorer's playing up Don't feel guilty - GUNNER and I are working together now, and we seem to be getting much closer to a solution Originally posted by GUNNER AMD has a system with a 266FSB. Although I'm not exactly sure if that is a true speed. You're right to not be entirely sure GUNNER - it's a 133 bus using DDR technology to make it equal to a 266 one Well how about we find an inwin, a tnt2 and some good ram. I have found that cheap ram is just that, very cheap and if there is one thing that should not be scrimped on it's good ram. Sounds like a plan ...I've never bought cheap RAM, so I can't comment, but I wouldn't be surprised - 'You get what you pay for' is very true when it comes to electronics. I'm sure we can find a decent T-Bird for a good price - I'll start looking now, and see what i can find The only remaining problem is the fitting of a CPU heatsink... Redwing, do you know someone who could fit one for you? Or do you feel like learning how to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 *blink* Ummm, if I had an instructions, or an instruction book--! as for inside the case, well I have a slightly silly problem there... I know how to take it off, and had left it off---but my friend who put in the hard drive put it back on...and I have to find the screwdriver to get it off again!! :o *hears mom telling him he should go to bed*Oops! O.O 12:49... erm, bye ^^;; and thanks again for the help, you don't know how much I appreciate it :) Peace, or ummm, something ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNNER Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 Ok, time to go home. I'll talk to you guys tomorrow. Later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zargon Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 Originally posted by JPMaximilian Thats my rant from a person who works at a computer store, the prices might have changed though. http://www.champaigncomputer.com DUDE, are you saying that you work THERE?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNNER Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 We can at least look for aase if need be right as they don't usually have a warrenty anyways. You might find a case on ebay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPMaximilian Posted February 12, 2002 Share Posted February 12, 2002 Originally posted by Zargon DUDE, are you saying that you work THERE?! Yeah, why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPMaximilian Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 Baccy- It sounds like you'll come up with a good setup, so I'll leave that to you, but I suggest you get a pretty high speed processor, thats the hardest to upgrade, its much easier to add more ram or a better video card later. And don't get a pentium, Althon's are better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacky_Baccy Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 Baccy- It sounds like you'll come up with a good setup [...] Thank you - I'd hoped so [...] so I'll leave that to you, but I suggest you get a pretty high speed processor [...] That was my plan - it looks like we'd both solve this the same way... I hope that's good And don't get a pentium, Althon's are better. AMD all the way! I would never touch Intel, even if it meant using a Cyrix CPU! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNNER Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 You guys are heartless. Intel makes a great chip, you just happen to prefer AMD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacky_Baccy Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 Yeah, the P4 is pretty good, but for that price I could buy a new AMD system that performs just as well... Or are they more evenly priced over there? (AthlonXP vs. P4) An XP 2000+ is roughly $290 over here, whilst a P4 2.0 (478) is about $400... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNNER Posted February 13, 2002 Share Posted February 13, 2002 Nope, your right, the Intel is usually more then the AMD of the same speed. Don't know why though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Seeker Posted February 14, 2002 Share Posted February 14, 2002 Currently I have a Compaq Presario 7360 computer with a 500 MHz K6-2 Processor. I am looking to upgrade my processor and/or mother board. My first question is what would be good choices at you know reasonable prices. My second question is what does that kind of upgrade entail? Would it be something I could do myself, or would a professional be needed? How much does stuff like this usually cost? Thanks for any tips/help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacky_Baccy Posted February 14, 2002 Share Posted February 14, 2002 Tell you what, why don't post this in the "Let's fix Redwing's computer so he can play JK2" thread (further down, maybe page 2), so we (myself, GUNNER, several others) can help you both in the same place - it'll make it less confusing for us By the looks of it, your PC is in about the same position as Redwing's, capability-wise, so what we recommend for him should do for you, too Maybe GUNNER could merge the threads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNNER Posted February 14, 2002 Share Posted February 14, 2002 Merge threads, let me see if that's in the Mod hand out...... Ok, soon to be merged, hold on guys.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNNER Posted February 14, 2002 Share Posted February 14, 2002 Done, I moved your to his since his was longer and had been here a greater amount of time and more people had posted in it, didn't want anyone to get lost ya know.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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