Eternity Posted February 16, 2002 Share Posted February 16, 2002 S'up guys, hate to break this happy bubble that is surrounding us right now due to the fancy trailers and pics and whatnot, but I thought this deserved some attention. I'm talking about sabre dueling. I was worrying about this long before the review complained about it; and now that they gave it voice, I'm worried. According to one person, they said that 'most duels can be won by getting behind the enemy and sabre throwing them.' This would really decrease the skills necessary to win in multi-player. Thoughts? Feedback? Spitting at my feet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUS_Tomcat Posted February 16, 2002 Share Posted February 16, 2002 untrue IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agen Posted February 16, 2002 Share Posted February 16, 2002 what about turning round? or about blocking over u back like obi wan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zodiac Posted February 16, 2002 Share Posted February 16, 2002 Just turn around. Just like in JK1, don't lose sight of ur opponent and he won't get behind you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormHammer Posted February 16, 2002 Share Posted February 16, 2002 Very sound advice, Zodiac. Here are some basic rules of engagement... 1. Always watch your back. 2. Shoot straight, duck fast and run like hell... 3. Don't forget to ignite your saber before you throw it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUS_Tomcat Posted February 16, 2002 Share Posted February 16, 2002 also: Dont forget your saber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamebooger Posted February 16, 2002 Share Posted February 16, 2002 simple solution if this is true. in MP just don't lose sight of your opponent. in SP if it bothers you don't use that sort of attack. problem solved(except people could sneak up behind you in MP. ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agen Posted February 16, 2002 Share Posted February 16, 2002 i wonder if u can whack people on the head witrh your saber unignited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ushgarak Posted February 16, 2002 Share Posted February 16, 2002 I just mentioned this in the thread about the review. I agree, it is very worrying. It is all very well for you people to say that it is untrue and you should just turn around. But this guy has PLAYED through the game, and says that it is a tactic that works against all opponets you meet in the game, including the bosses. Never minding multi-player fir a moment, such a flaw would ruin the singleplayer game, as far as duelling is concerned. And then one would assume that, if the AI sabreists are programmed with any competence at all, then this would also reflect a highly effective tactic in multi-player as well, and one that requires virtually no skill. I don't think the reveiw made it out as an unbeatable tactic, just one that is far more effective than actually closing and fighting, which would be a damn shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRAVE Posted February 16, 2002 Share Posted February 16, 2002 I dont think it is at all worrying. In Star Wars does Luke ever turn his back on Vader.......NO........it just doesnt happen. And if someone did do a force throw on you there are multiple options available.........force jump, side dodge or turn around and block.....simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ushgarak Posted February 16, 2002 Share Posted February 16, 2002 My best hope is that the reviewer was just rubbish at sabre fighting. So he adpated to a tactic that worked against the AI but will be crud against humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUS_Tomcat Posted February 16, 2002 Share Posted February 16, 2002 maybe he only played on easy?!? i mean come on think about it... WHO here, is gonna let an enemy you're dueling, first of all, get behind you, and second, give him enough time, to aim, and throw his saber at you... i wonder what his enemy was doing all that time... reading the PC Gamer!?!??! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthLocutus Posted February 16, 2002 Share Posted February 16, 2002 I find it hard to believe with (at least) two dedicated AI programmers on board that they wouldn't have programmed the AI to turn around when you jump over their heads. It doesn't make much sense to me. The AI will be better than JK at least. Even on hard the saber fights were **** easy in SP. And it didn't hurt the game's popularity. [Edit - Stormy - swearing ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ushgarak Posted February 16, 2002 Share Posted February 16, 2002 Well, he wasn't playing it on easy and he seemed pretty sure that it worked. As to WHY it works; your guess is as good as mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_FinnSon Posted February 16, 2002 Share Posted February 16, 2002 This can also be intentional, you know? Your back is one of those places in your body which can be injured so many ways and can't be easily protected, so one strike or throw in there must be leathal; or do you think you are going to survive after your spine is broken? Either the guy playing the game simply had an opportunity to get behind enemies and throw his saber, before they could turn around OR there is "Major Gameplay Flaw" involved. It can also depend on who he was fighting againts: little crooks and Stormies might not have fast reflexes, while Reborns and Dark Jedis cover themselves much more carefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternity Posted February 16, 2002 Author Share Posted February 16, 2002 I think the point here is that it renders Force powers and other tactics useless. Who cares about multi-player for the moment; if you could just run like hell behind the enemy and stick a saber in his back in single player mode, it kinda sucks. You could blather on about not going behind the enemy to make it fun, but honestly, who are you kidding? My main concern that force powers are pretty, but don't need to be used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent_Thunder Posted February 16, 2002 Share Posted February 16, 2002 This seems like a thread the devs would probably like to straighten out , but the lack of response from the devs makes me think it's possible that this is indeed true. However, the game still hasn't been released yet, and the reviews must have only been previewing the beta version. And that's one of the main points of beta, isn't it? To find and destroy bugs and imbalances? If this is actually a game flaw, I believe it will be fixed before the game comes out. Or we can just play multiplayer with "No Force LS Throw allowed!", but the SP will still be ruined. I'm going to give JO a fair chance, by waiting and seeing for myself. But if there is an imbalance, please fix it devs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormHammer Posted February 16, 2002 Share Posted February 16, 2002 Okay, on a more serious note, if this is some kind of flaw in the game, then I'm sure the Ravenites will take note and try to tweak it before the game ships...or failing that, perhaps release a patch to deal with any of these issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChangKhan Posted February 16, 2002 Share Posted February 16, 2002 You all do realize, of course, that they were reviewing a pre-beta version of the game that is, in all likelihood, at least a month and a half old... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRAVE Posted February 16, 2002 Share Posted February 16, 2002 ^The man has spoken How can you call it a review then.......the final version would get about 95% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent_Thunder Posted February 16, 2002 Share Posted February 16, 2002 It was pre-beta?? I thought it was beta... Well, that pretty well takes away all my fears about saber throw imbalances, though I did assume it would be fixed before release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormHammer Posted February 16, 2002 Share Posted February 16, 2002 Thanks for that ChangKhan. I'm sure you've allayed some fears. And I'm inclined to agree with Rave...that PCGamer score is meaningless if they did not actually have the final build of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternity Posted February 16, 2002 Author Share Posted February 16, 2002 You all do realize, of course, that they were reviewing a pre-beta version of the game that is, in all likelihood, at least a month and a half old... *thumps Stormhammer on the back* Wheeee! That dispels some fears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ps2maddenman Posted February 16, 2002 Share Posted February 16, 2002 "And I'm inclined to agree with Rave...that PCGamer score is meaningless if they did not actually have the final build of the game." And I am also, that is why PC Gamer US will not review a game unless it is a retail version, that is why this game will probably be rated higher than 93% in the US version. my2sentz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPMaximilian Posted February 16, 2002 Share Posted February 16, 2002 Some of you guys act like Raven does NO beta testing. Like Raven only programs some stuff into the game and then it goes onto the shelves. They test the game thoroughly before it ships. Glitches do get through the tests, but not a "major gameplay flaw" that would ruin the whole experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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