Nute Gunray Posted February 25, 2002 Share Posted February 25, 2002 Yes, the US sucks because we're the most powerful military power in all of history and have countless operations that went off exactly as planned or still came out in victory regardless of whatever flaws occured during execution. We never had our Galipoli (another stunning example of British and Canadian military superiority). Should I fear the British and Canadian long range nuclear bombers? How can I sleep at night with those Canadian ICBMs targetting my city! Oh no the US screwed up at Pearl and got bombed! At least we didn't control most of the Earth and lose it to Zulu tribesmen and Ghandi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasiliskJC Posted February 25, 2002 Share Posted February 25, 2002 Originally posted by Jem I don't care for anything right now but the Olympic Hockey game final that just finished with Canada crushing the US 5-2. You just don't mess with the hockey pros... Well I guess Canada is good for one thing. Too bad it's not anything more important that a sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tierce Posted February 25, 2002 Share Posted February 25, 2002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasiliskJC Posted February 25, 2002 Share Posted February 25, 2002 Now that was uncalled for Assassin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR2000Z Posted February 25, 2002 Author Share Posted February 25, 2002 If you British whiped out us, American colonists, during the American Revolutionary War in the 1700s, you guys could of ruled the world. Gosh and golly, here we are with our cheap made weapons, poor economy, and our indian friends and we still beat your huge empire all by our little selves. Who looks stupid now? And now, due to the destruction World Trade Center (which kind of hurt our strong economy-but we had worse) and the Pentagon (not to mention a couple of meters of good farmland), WERE MORE PISSED THAN EVER. I dont think Canada should be even considered a contry. It's mostly ruled by tour groups. And because of this radical crap thats been going on, it would take forever to at least solve one problem in the government. I'm not trying to start a war here- Besides, we'd would win anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nute Gunray Posted February 25, 2002 Share Posted February 25, 2002 watch out, the Canadian Land Force might come swarming across the border in it's unarmored 2 and half ton trucks full of relief supplies for 3rd world countries. How will withstand the onslaught (answer: complete undeniable air superiority in a matter of mnutes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deac Posted February 25, 2002 Share Posted February 25, 2002 Look, do any of you want world peace! Cause the way you're ranting on you'd think it was World War Three!!!!! I mean, come on. All countries have their pros and cons, and you're forgetting one very important thing: "Wars no make one great,"- Yoda, The Empire Strikes Back:yoda: So just calm down. Yes, the MoD did make a stupid mistake, but who doesn't? This will probably result in the Brittish Army getting a better tracking system, so this won't happen again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Odin Posted February 25, 2002 Share Posted February 25, 2002 One thing about Vietnam. We did achieve our objective. We went in with the same idea as Korea prevent South Vietnam from becoming Commie. Which we did. It is not our fault the they failed to protect themselves after we left. If only politicians didn't interfer in a war especially when they don't know anything about waging a war are little messups wouldn't really be there. Pearly Harbor is similar to the world trade center an enemy attacked us, we then got pissed and well everyone knows how those things turned out after the attack. Deac, the brits have a good tracking system and use the same type of GPS that the americans use, unfortunatly it appears they need better training to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nute Gunray Posted February 25, 2002 Share Posted February 25, 2002 Yoda was an <i>idiot</i>. War DOES make one great. The more powerful a nation is, the longer it sustains it's own existance. How does one gauge a nation's strength? By it's ability to forcibly influence other nations. How does one forcibly influence another nation? Show everyone what happens if someone pisses you off. You create world peace and I'll show you a horrible shell of what we call the world. If RIGHT NOW THIS INSTANT, we declared world peace and everyone was all chummy, we'd be stuck with 2002 technology for a very, very long time. War advances technology faster than anything else because 1) you need the new thing yesterday and 2) money is no longer an object. What glorious things did war bring us? <b>Basic metallurgy</b> The earliest metal objects that show any real skill with working with soft metals are weapons, not pots or a bowl. Clay got the job done and probably would have for some time. Most metallugrical research and development was devoted to the creation of superior weapons and armor. <b>simple surgery</b> We have the Romans to thank for the concept of surgery. One had to keep your armies in working order. It was just a pleasant side effect that it could be used on non-soldiers <b>the ability to fly to Japan from locations that are not in Japan</b> But n00t, the airplane was not intended as a weapon of war! Ah, this is true, however if it wasn't for the long-range bomber, the airliner probably wouldn't have ever been invented. Please note that the B-29 had superior range to the air transports of the day and that the B-52 still has a longer range than most airliners and the 52 is very, very elderly. <b>Telecommunications</b> The first real satellites that did something other than go "beep beep" were the Corona spy satellites. The telecommunication satellite was developed so our far off carriers could get their orders in a timely fashion. The GPS system that tells your airliner where to go or your where your UPS package is was developed to make sure that a missile got from point A to point B and actually GOT to point B. And don't forget those satellites got into space aboard ICBMs that just didn't have the "return to earth" order in them. <b>Cell phones</b> Thanks Motorola. Your field radio gave us an edge in the Pacific. Now I have morons that couldn't drive in the first place distracted. <b>the superhighway</b> In the US the highway system's official name is the General Dwight D. Eisenhower Interstate Highway system. What's that? A general came up with an idea that propelled American commerce to unheard of heights of power and wealth? Good thing he witnessed what good roads could do during WWII. <b>The Interweb</b> Quick, we need a way to still communicate after a crippling nuclear strike. OH yeah and universities and scientists can use it or something. hell, anyone can get porn. thanks military. In conclusion, I'm so fine I blow my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted February 26, 2002 Share Posted February 26, 2002 War does not make one great. War makes one dead. War does provide the stimulus for technology, however. (Even in the Star Wars universe this is seen ) But then the debate is, is this a good thing? Would it be better to have rapid major technological advancements, or alot less people dying? Life for people would likely still be good, because technology would still be developed to get people to buy cooler things. Businesses would still compete, so technology would continue to be developed. (Note: Another reason why capitalism is a GOOD thing) This sounds all well and good (to me at least ) but hasn't history shown that universal peace is the antithesis of human nature? So is world peace even realistic to think about? I personally don't believe it will ever happen, attractive as it may sound (well to some, but not to Nute ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zargon Posted February 26, 2002 Share Posted February 26, 2002 Originally posted by Redwing because technology would still be developed to get people to buy cooler things. Businesses would still compete, so technology would continue to be developed. (Note: Another reason why capitalism is a GOOD thing) no ****ing way, we aren't worth enough money to just say, hey lets invent and devolpe digital video disks, just cause we can sell em, more like, we need less cd's to hold all of our spy data, lets dump 134819623489164893 buillion dollars to raytheon and basf over there to get us better data compression. See how that works? Advanced air traffic control radar? yeah, need to see all of the enemies planes on radar the first time, no need to do fly by checks now............. Atmoic power, might not even be there now if it werent for WW2 "oh but Zargon they started trinity before pearl harbor" thats just something the government says.....plus, ww2 started long before pearl harbor kiddies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deac Posted February 26, 2002 Share Posted February 26, 2002 "War isn't about dying for your country-it's about making some other B*****d die for his"- General Patton. Yes, war did bring soem adavncements in the past . But that was the past. Millions of today's discoveries are not motivated by war. Do we invent vaccines to kill? Do we explore space and the ocean to make war? Do we write books to cause physical pain? Do we play computer games to slay our human enemies? Belligerence is not a virtue. Wrath is one of the 7 deadly sins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR2000Z Posted February 26, 2002 Author Share Posted February 26, 2002 Look, the only purpose of why we fight wars is to increase development of fast an easy to download porn. So you should be thankful for the billions of people who died in combat only to bring you fast and easy access to porn just for you to enjoy. Thants all. Now....let's talk about the fascinating characteristics of igneous rocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Odin Posted February 26, 2002 Share Posted February 26, 2002 War no matter how unfortunate is a necessary to our existance. History has shown that humans always have and always will wage war against each other. The reason is simple, humans want money, power, and land. War achieves these things and in there minds it does make one great. Do we have parades for aurthors? no Do we have them for soldiers? Yes Vaccines are not just for pure medical reason, but military, some of them are developed so we can vaccinate soldiers against biological weapons. Without war the world would be a bleaker place then it is. Think of all the dicatators who would have remained in power had war not ousted them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nute Gunray Posted February 27, 2002 Share Posted February 27, 2002 Originally posted by Deac Do we invent vaccines to kill? Not directly. Most medical research in the cold war era was funded with Defense dollars. Biological warfare research drove a LOT of medical research. If I can make MY soldiers immune to polio, then I can use polio as a biological warfare agent. Do we explore space and the ocean to make war? Are you stupid? John Glenn got into space about a Mercury-Redstone rocket. Mercury? Sounds all SPACEY! Redstone? What the hell is Redstone? Redstone is an arsenal in Alabama. It's where JPL did it's initial research. SO when they developed the FIRST ICBM they called "Redstone." Sonar was developed for locating the dreaded U-boat. The first submarine that charted what was under the Arctic icecap was a USN atomic sub. It was charting it so we could stage ballistic missile submarines under the icecap. If it weren't for the US and Soviet navies most of the ocean floor would not be mapped. Both sides did it so we'd know where to hide and were to look for the other guy. Do we write books to cause physical pain? Sun Tzu's the Art of War is considered one of the greatest works of literature of all time. And it's a MANUAL to fighting. Do we play computer games to slay our human enemies? Not YET. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deac Posted February 27, 2002 Share Posted February 27, 2002 The past is the past. We can't change it. So if weapons have been invented, that doesn't mean we have to use them. If world peace could be agreed and be upheld, we wouldn't need them, and we would still advance. Most things today that are not invented by the military are just modified to be used that way. And bio weapons are barbaric and honourless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nute Gunray Posted February 27, 2002 Share Posted February 27, 2002 That is absolutely untrue. We would not advance at ALL. How do we know this? Because it happened. Things got invented for one reason or another and were FORGOTTEN because of their flaws that the creators didn't have the time or resources to work out of them. These things later gained some military application and were suddenly THE THING. Like the jet engine. The jet was developed in i THINK the late 20s. But there were lots of problems with it and everyone thought WASTE OF TIME and scrapped it. Then one day Herman Goering (you know, head of the Luftwaffe back during WWII) says HEY, IF WE STRAP THIS BASTARD ON TO A FIGHTER IT'LL KICK SO MUCH ASS ADDITIONAL ASS WILL HAVE TO BE IMPORTED SPECIFICALLY FOR ASS KICKING PURPOSES. A mere twenty-five years later it was considered ABSURD that an airliner have props instead of jet engines and the 747 was flying around with no less than four jet engines that wouldn't have been invented if it weren't for the Nazis wanting the uberjager to better shoot down our grandfathers in the mother of all wars. The Muslim hordes that came screaming out of the deserts of Arabia had swords made out of something (i forget what metal) that literally cut threw the swords of those living in Spain and we what now call the Balkans. It wasn't until the Spanish developed a superior metal for their swords that the Boors were ousted and Spain then propelled itself to one of the dominate powers in the world. Wow. Basic metal all because someone wanted to kill someone. I'm not a big fan of the biowar, I'll say that much. Too much blow back. But I wouldn't call it barbaric. In fact, it's about as old school as you can get when you want the most bang for your defense dollar. Honorless? hell yes, but when I'm trying to WIN, honor is the last thing I'd care about. If we still fought wars based on HONOR, we'd be looking at single tanks dueling each other on the battlefield. In short, war can be PROVEN to cause the advancement and sustaining of a civilization. It can be proven that states that were militarily weak stagnated and collapsed of their own volition. War is not about chivalry and honor. It's about how to most effectively destroy the other side while losing as few of your guys as possible (that second part is optional, although it IS a good idea to save your own men. It's surprising the Soviets survived WWII. they were as much their OWN enemy as the Nazis were. i cite the battle in the beginning of "Enemy at the Gates" for it's graphic depiction and historical accuracy of the Soviets shooting themselves literally). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasiliskJC Posted February 27, 2002 Share Posted February 27, 2002 Technological advancements have been achieved largely by the fact that rival nations have been competing against each other for technological superiority. Pushing the advancements of everything that has come about by advancements in technology. Even new ways to save lives have been invented because of war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr. Cracken Posted February 28, 2002 Share Posted February 28, 2002 Originally posted by Nute Gunray Like the jet engine. The jet was developed in i THINK the late 20s. But there were lots of problems with it and everyone thought WASTE OF TIME and scrapped it. Then one day Herman Goering (you know, head of the Luftwaffe back during WWII) says HEY, IF WE STRAP THIS BASTARD ON TO A FIGHTER IT'LL KICK SO MUCH ASS ADDITIONAL ASS WILL HAVE TO BE IMPORTED SPECIFICALLY FOR ASS KICKING PURPOSES! The funniest thing i've read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nute Gunray Posted February 28, 2002 Share Posted February 28, 2002 If you want additional humor, imagine a man with a german accent and a lispe saying it. Goering was a <b>FLAMER</b>. Oh dont' try and tell me different. The dude wore a PINK UNIFORM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zargon Posted February 28, 2002 Share Posted February 28, 2002 hahaahahaahhaahahhahaahhaahhahahaahahhaha He liked to pick his new recruits from the Hitler Youth programs eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deac Posted February 28, 2002 Share Posted February 28, 2002 Well, alright: "Society has never truly advanced except in war, when they find all new ways for you to die"-soem General I can't remember the name of. Ok, it's true. Warfare has made most of human advances and humans fight as part of nature. That doesn't mean we have to like killing and causing pain. If the only wars we ever fought were fought by robots controlled by human operators, and those operators would never be killed, just have their robots destroyed, and those robots armed with weapons that could only stun humans, then I wouldn't mind. That is the only warfare the future should have. Let's save bombs and bullets for Operation Flashpiont (an ace game, I add). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander 598 Posted February 28, 2002 Share Posted February 28, 2002 A possible idea for advancement *An Admiral on an Aircraft Carrier looks out from the bridge at his fleet* "What if I put this whole fleet in permanent orbit around Earth and make something like a helicopter that can transport Marines from the fleet down to earth?" And there is the start of a space fleet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Odin Posted February 28, 2002 Share Posted February 28, 2002 Originally posted by Deac If the only wars we ever fought were fought by robots controlled by human operators, and those operators would never be killed, just have their robots destroyed, and those robots armed with weapons that could only stun humans No offense but that is a stupid idea. If each side only fought with robots and no human contact war would then become a game, and would never end. Although you may not like the fact that humans die in war it is necessary, the death of humans will eventually end a war. Also war surves as a population control for humans (sick but true). For example, rabbit pop goes up, as such cat pop goes up because more food, rabbit pop then goes down since so many cats are about feasting. With less rabbits cat pop goes down because lack of food, meaning less cats, less hunting of rabbits, and it starts over. Humans have no natural predator, except ourselves. War is natures population control. If we elimante killing from war, the world would be devastated, since war would never end, technology would stop advancing as well. No humans death means no out cry for a war to end, that outcry causes advancements to achieve victory sooner and end the loss of life. Your porpals is the same as world peace, it won't happen (peace maybe if we find a different enemy untill then you won't see it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nute Gunray Posted March 1, 2002 Share Posted March 1, 2002 Yes, a war absolutely must kill people. It's the only real way to force the capitulation of the enemy. How would one even gain the upper hand? You wouldn't be able to destroy the robot factory because that would in turn kill the people that build the robots. Therefore there would be an unless supply of robots and the war would be self-perpetuating and pointless. Whatever country would be unwilling to do the 'bloodless' fighting would win regardless of tactics or actual supremacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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