Kx_Dra_Sycdan Posted March 5, 2002 Share Posted March 5, 2002 Originally posted by Boba Rhett Who's to say he doesn't give to charity, feed the homeless, etc.? None of us have any right to ridicule someome for what they choose to spend some of their excess money on, when we really have no clue what their story is and what they have done for others. btw, when he dies that collection will be worth a lot of money. oh and, maybe you should donate your computer and all your gaming money to charity. I'm sure that would feed some people too. *sigh* high horses suck.... Listen mate there is a big diference in whatever the hell that guy spent on all that useless junk and working your ass of for an $800 computer. Originally posted by Boba Rhett None of us have any right to ridicule someome for what they choose to spend some of their excess money on, when we really have no clue what their story is and what they have done for others. *sigh* high horses suck.... That's all fine, i'm not saying he should give everything he has (assuming he worked for it himself mind you, because if not then its really even more said imo)away, the point i was trying to make was that with all that money he spent on the stuff he could have done something positive with it. So.... we shouldn't buy Jedi Outcast either? What do you mean it doesn't serve a purpose? By that reasoning, pretty much nothing that any of us do in life ever serves a purpose. Do you whatch T.V.? Do you listen to music? Do you wear a certain brand of clothing? Do you play games? Do you do anything for your own pleasure? If any of you answered yes to any of those, you don't really have the right to say what that man does is wrong. It's what he does for fun and entertainment and that's what it's purpose is. /end rant Oh yeah, and the horse you rode in on! I'm talking about Over Consuming dummy. It's quite Pathetic that you can not see the diference in Spending $50 on a game and spending a bloody fortune on a massive amount of usless junk...i mean what do you think this guy does with all that? i can imagine him just sitting in there gawking at all of it, meanwhile children are still starving to death...if thats all right with you then you too make me sick. "Do you do anything for your own pleasure?" Yes, If your interpitation of Pleasure is what that guy is doing then your mind is so small its hard to even phathom that you ever leave the house (save going to Hobby shops and consuming even more Junk) "What do you mean it doesn't serve a purpose? By that reasoning, pretty much nothing that any of us do in life ever serves a purpose. " And sadly that is Pretty Much the way it is over here in America. I am by no means saying i'm the slightest bit diferent or better than you are, but i least i have the courage to be truthful and Be aware of what i am. "What you want it is a communism" ...next you'll be calling me a "hippie" "While I think Kx_Dra_Sycdan perhaps oversteps his bounds in his declaration, I can appreciate where is coming from, the roots of his rant anyways." Fine but maybe if you stoped everything thats going on in your mind right now and thought really really hard about what it must be like to Starve to Death or to witness your mother to be beatin to death by a mindless coward or if you thought what it might be like to be in their place you too would act like a "Maniac" " But yeah, you can spend your money on what you want... some might consider what you spend your money on frivilous (like games or computers or whatnot), but to you I'm sure it makes sense." I happen to agree with that but clearly this guy is way over the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternity Posted March 5, 2002 Share Posted March 5, 2002 I agree that this example of mindless commercialism is a waste, yet I don't agree with a couple of your points: just because you are aware of 'the evil in the world' doesn't make you superior; if you just complain about it and yet do nothing, you are just WORSE then they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted March 5, 2002 Share Posted March 5, 2002 hey i can answer some of these questions. Originally posted by Boba Rhett So.... we shouldn't buy Jedi Outcast either? What do you mean it doesn't serve a purpose? By that reasoning, pretty much nothing that any of us do in life ever serves a purpose. Do you whatch T.V.? Not often (Maybe like at most 7 hours a week if i don't watch a movie) Do you listen to music? Yes, but I don't buy music, as I grow tired of it, I let my sister buy it. I listen to Techno music on massinova often. Do you wear a certain brand of clothing? Yes. My tags all say 'Homeless' on them. Do you play games? Not as much as I used to. I limit my time on them. I found a new hobby, making levels for Mysteries of the Sith. And THAT is more fun to me than playing it. Do you do anything for your own pleasure? What do you mean by that? If any of you answered yes to any of those, you don't really have the right to say what that man does is wrong. It's what he does for fun and entertainment and that's what it's purpose is. /end rant Oh yeah, and the horse you rode in on! i don't know why i answered those questions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boba Rhett Posted March 5, 2002 Share Posted March 5, 2002 Listen mate there is a big diference in whatever the hell that guy spent on all that useless junk and working your ass of for an $800 computer. And what would that difference be exactly? Originally posted by Kx_Dra_Sycdan It's quite Pathetic that you can not see the diference in Spending $50 on a game and spending a bloody fortune on a massive amount of usless junk...i mean what do you think this guy does with all that? i can imagine him just sitting in there gawking at all of it, meanwhile children are still starving to death...if thats all right with you then you too make me sick. First off, don't sink to name calling please. So you only own one game? And why is that star wars stuff is useless junk but your game(s) is not? It's not like he bought all that stuff in one huge lump. If any of us added up how much we've spent on games, it would be pretty high too. When did I ever say that starving people was ok with me? I said that there's no reason for him not to buy things that he finds enjoyable. How do you know he doesn't give to charity just because he has all those things? Even though he may give to charity, should he still not be allowed to have what he desires? Your saying he's a bad person for having things he finds enjoyable. Yes, If your interpitation of Pleasure is what that guy is doing then your mind is so small its hard to even phathom that you ever leave the house (save going to Hobby shops and consuming even more Junk) So your insulting them because of what they find fun? You spending your time and money playing games is ok though. But God forbid they enjoy their own thing! Please...... "What do you mean it doesn't serve a purpose? By that reasoning, pretty much nothing that any of us do in life ever serves a purpose. " And sadly that is Pretty Much the way it is over here in America. I am by no means saying i'm the slightest bit diferent or better than you are, but i least i have the courage to be truthful and Be aware of what i am. But you are coming off as sounding like your saying you're better than they are! If the guy has enough to help people and have a hobby like that. Good for him. End of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Rommel Posted March 5, 2002 Share Posted March 5, 2002 "Listen mate there is a big diference in whatever the hell that guy spent on all that useless junk and working your bum of for an $800 computer. " is there? maybe he worked his arse off to buy all that "useless junk"...? "you should have given that $800 to charity, instead of spending on that useless computer." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Krayt Tion Posted March 5, 2002 Share Posted March 5, 2002 We like heated debates around here. But please leave the name calling out of it, Kx_Dra_Sycdan. That's the only way we can continue to have them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormHammer Posted March 5, 2002 Share Posted March 5, 2002 To Krayt you listen...yes...hmmm... Well, as someone who actually works for a charity (not necessarily poverty related), yes, I can agree to an extent that it would be great if more people donated more money to worthy causes. It would certainly help. However, I think you are slightly misguided in thinking that simply throwing a bit of extra cash at the problem will make a huge difference. If you were to lump together the salaries of every working person who posts on these boards and gave it away to worthy causes...it would be little more than a small drop in a mighty ocean. Money only goes so far in solving the problems of poverty and starvation in the world. Many of these problems can also be associated with the greed and arrogance of those in power. Sometimes, people just taking the time out to lend a hand can often be far more productive. Sharing knowledge. Helping to build infrastructures through education, research and long-term support. If you are talking about children starving on a global scale...then that takes the concerted efforts of entire nations to try and put things right. Cancelling world debts would go some way to alleviating the problems...but would not solve them. The simple fact is that some nations are over-populated, and some regions of the earth are becoming barren while others are flooded. The world is changing, and we must learn to adapt with it...and accept that a few million people are going to come knocking on our borders in the near future, because where they are living now will no longer support them. The point is...you could give away everything you possess, every dollar you earn, and it will not make a huge or lasting impact. It would be great if everyone could do their part to try and ensure the pain and suffering is alleviated, and help their fellows...but at the same time, would you make your own life a misery just to improve someone else's quality of life? Personally, I do think that Star Wars collection is a bit over the top...but as Rhett has already pointed out, we have no clue what good deeds that person has done today, or any other day. Perhaps, some day, he might auction it off to support charitable causes. We all become dedicated fans of something during our lifetimes, and that can often build bridges and bonds between people, help to cement relationships, and help to build a sense of community spirit. And I would argue that communities of people can make greater changes than individuals alone. Lastly, being someone who has also had a couple of close calls in life, I can also say with all certainty that you should try and enjoy the time you have on this planet. Certainly try to help others less fortunate...but don't trade too much of the quality of your own life in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNNER Posted March 6, 2002 Share Posted March 6, 2002 Well this fun little thread really turned sour. Sounds to me like some one is jealous of another persons good fortune. Tell you what you can do, since you think he is way over the top, why don't you give all you have to charity to compensate for him. Kind of even out the boat if you will. I for one think it's great. And would love to have the resources to be able to afford it all.. Like has been said many time, who knows how he came across all the money to buy this stuff, but to judge him because of it is a little harsh especially since we know nothing about him of his spending habits. So until you can show us his portfolio that shows he spens all his money on himself then drop it.. And even if he spends every last red cent on himself then who cares, it's his. So again, drop it or write your congressman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted March 6, 2002 Share Posted March 6, 2002 I much prefer the micro machines . I wish they wouldn't have stopped making them. darn u galoob!!!!!!! I was fortunate enough to find the AT-AT and A-Wing for $15 a piece....i wasn't about to leave them in their box either. Micro machines are the only things i feel GOOD about taking out of their box...action figures are more like decorations, at least micromachines u can have lots of people and vehicles lined up and fight and make cool battle scenes on shelfs...i can never have enough sw micro machines... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kx_Dra_Sycdan Posted March 6, 2002 Share Posted March 6, 2002 By bobba rhett "And what would that difference be exactly?" well when you go in to buy a $50 game so in your extra time you can play with it its different then say consuming a massive amount (thousands of dollars worth) a toys and such that you will never touch that will never be fully enjoyed by anyone, that stuff will sit up there in those shelves and collect dust (all though i'm sure he dusts them off regulary). This is my opinion and it's one i am not trying to force apon you, he is a grown man i'd think things would be more important to him then toys and collectables. name calling on my part was childish and well it was a waste of time typing all that and then calling you a "dummy" *ack*.My bad. "So you only own one game? And why is that star wars stuff is useless junk but your game(s) is not?" my games don't consume my life, my games are 3 his "collection" is thousands if not millions. total amount spent on games $160 total amount spent on his "collection"...god who knows. the point is that this guy is too into this (really i can't stress this enough) this thing that appears to have taken over his life. (at least in my opinion) i play games every now and then. this guy does not collect toys every now and then (but how can i know this? the shear amount of new stuff you can see in those pics is all the evidence you need) this is obviously somthing that is an important thing in his life and yet at the same time it's so meaningless to the rest of the world. "Even though he may give to charity, should he still not be allowed to have what he desires?" Desires - 1 : to long for : wish earnestly <desire wealth> 2 : to call for :express a wish for : request. :a strong wish: LONGING: :eagerly wishing: if someone desires or longs for a massive collection of memoirbillia i believe it is self-ish, i mean nobody's perfect (certainly not me) but still that collection of his is way to much in my opinion. "So your insulting them because of what they find fun? You spending your time and money playing games is ok though. But God forbid they enjoy their own thing! Please......" Again there is a clear diference in buying a game every now and then and being so into something that it controls your life (even in the slightest way) that you spen thousands of dollars on every little thing that is related to star wars just so you have it (you don't play with it its just there, kinda like smoking cigarites, just to give you peace of mind) that should be obvious too you. "But you are coming off as sounding like your saying you're better than they are!" that was not my intention. i was just stating what i felt when seeing all of that (imo) Junk. originaly posted by Darth_Rommel "you should have given that $800 to charity, instead of spending on that useless computer." toys are usless. computers usless? i don't even know were to begin on that one man, so i'll just say - try asking NASA if computers are useless. trying posting in this forum if computers are useless. By gunner "Sounds to me like some one is jealous of another persons good fortune" that is not good fortune.(how can i even put this).that is sad (imo) "So until you can show us his portfolio that shows he spens all his money on himself then drop it.. And even if he spends every last red cent on himself then who cares, it's his. So again, drop it or write your congressman" it will take me showing you his portfolio to prove to how sad it is that he collects toys and not just 1 or 2 or even a hundred for that matter, this guy has thousands and thousands of them its not just a hobby its an obsession. by Krayt Tion "We like heated debates around here. But please leave the name calling out of it, Kx_Dra_Sycdan. That's the only way we can continue to have them. " absolutly. like i said up there it was pretty lame on my part. won't happen again. and finally (i hope) By StormHammer To Krayt you listen...yes...hmmm... Well, as someone who actually works for a charity (not necessarily poverty related), yes, I can agree to an extent that it would be great if more people donated more money to worthy causes. It would certainly help. However, I think you are slightly misguided in thinking that simply throwing a bit of extra cash at the problem will make a huge difference. If you were to lump together the salaries of every working person who posts on these boards and gave it away to worthy causes...it would be little more than a small drop in a mighty ocean. Money only goes so far in solving the problems of poverty and starvation in the world. Many of these problems can also be associated with the greed and arrogance of those in power. Sometimes, people just taking the time out to lend a hand can often be far more productive. Sharing knowledge. Helping to build infrastructures through education, research and long-term support. If you are talking about children starving on a global scale...then that takes the concerted efforts of entire nations to try and put things right. Cancelling world debts would go some way to alleviating the problems...but would not solve them. The simple fact is that some nations are over-populated, and some regions of the earth are becoming barren while others are flooded. The world is changing, and we must learn to adapt with it...and accept that a few million people are going to come knocking on our borders in the near future, because where they are living now will no longer support them. The point is...you could give away everything you possess, every dollar you earn, and it will not make a huge or lasting impact. It would be great if everyone could do their part to try and ensure the pain and suffering is alleviated, and help their fellows...but at the same time, would you make your own life a misery just to improve someone else's quality of life? Personally, I do think that Star Wars collection is a bit over the top...but as Rhett has already pointed out, we have no clue what good deeds that person has done today, or any other day. Perhaps, some day, he might auction it off to support charitable causes. We all become dedicated fans of something during our lifetimes, and that can often build bridges and bonds between people, help to cement relationships, and help to build a sense of community spirit. And I would argue that communities of people can make greater changes than individuals alone. Lastly, being someone who has also had a couple of close calls in life, I can also say with all certainty that you should try and enjoy the time you have on this planet. Certainly try to help others less fortunate...but don't trade too much of the quality of your own life in the process truly a valuable post, one i have taken very seriously and appreciate very much. gad me hands are fallen off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDragon Posted March 6, 2002 Share Posted March 6, 2002 Interesting debate... A couple of observations though (for my 2 euros worth!) Who here knows anything about this guy apart from the fact he is )obviously) an avid Star Wars fan? What does he do? How much does he earn? How old is he? How much time and money did he spend putting this collection together? He could have a) inherited a load of money b) earnt a fortune from share trading c) won the lotto d) saved every day e) spent every single penny he earns on it. Who's to say? And what about all the things he could have done, like give to a charity, buy several cars, invest it in stocks and shares, buy a yacht, buy some paintings - think of all the things he didn't do like spend it all on drugs, prostitutes or throw it all away gambling. (Or at least, not that we know of!) Some people would consider what he's done much more of an investment than buying cars. Useless junk it may appear to be, but some of it may well be worth something in a few years just like all the toys from 1978 are worth a lot now. I have to admit that I wish I'd looked after my first edition Millenium Falcon and never taken it out of the box because it would be worth a couple of hundred quid today. But I was 6 years old and wanted to play with it instead. Some people would just consider it useless junk. Me? I say nuff respect to the bloke who wanted something, worked for it and now has it. And, to the best of anyone's knowledge, didn't intentionally hurt anyone in the process. That's probably more than a lot of people end up doing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue15 Posted March 6, 2002 Share Posted March 6, 2002 ya, it looks more of an investment obsession. lol gotta get em all!!!! The guy should really open a museum or something lol. oh btw, he probably got all that on discount......i overheard this guy at the flea market when the newer biker scout, etc came out saying he went to a toy fair and got ALOT of the sw stuff for hardly anything. OR this dude works for hasbro or whoever makes the products, or is a relative of the manager who gives him each of the different figures for christmas or something. That wouldn't be called greedy, it'd be called: Severely Blessed. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternity Posted March 7, 2002 Share Posted March 7, 2002 Kx_Dra_Sycdan: I agree with you. It's one thing to buy things, another to buy that much. IMO, and let me stress this, IMO, that is selfish obsession. You guys compare his obsession with buying things like computer games. You lack a sense of SCALE. I don't care if he's dirty rich and worked for that, if you have that much collectible items, you have dedicated a large chunk of your life to it. Buying mass amounts of commercialized Star Wars memorbilia (spelling...I can never remember how to spell that) just seems to me a very shallow and skin-deep hobby to pursue. Harmless, but if taken to that level, far from being okay. Stormhammer: just a minor point: just because the contribution you make is just a 'drop in the ocean' is no excuse to do nothing about it. Donate to a charity or sign up for one of those 'help a child programs', and you will change a life. Just because you don't produce mass results means nothing. It's a flimsy excuse just so you feel okay about not doing anything.. Otherwise, I agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_FinnSon Posted March 7, 2002 Share Posted March 7, 2002 First of all, I'm 23, but seeing that guy's house, I have a strange urge to go over there and start playing with his toys; I wonder, would he slaughter me, if I smuggled one figure out of his collection? Now, seriously even I don't understand why to JUST collect and display them like there would be bunch of people coming by every day to marvel his collection, IF it's not a museum. All that stuff(especially custom made SW cabinets and displays) are not just for him alone, but almost like a statement to the world(at least to his relatives, friends and people who are now watching these photos) that he is truly a STAR WARS fan. Behold! Be jealous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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