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Originally posted by Saber_Trails

Do you think that it will be too hard to play with 56k in say a 4 player game? Post yes or no and then why. I get 300-500 ping btw..

 

I think you would able to play but I'm not sure how good it will be. I have DSL and when I play Medal of Honor I usually get a ping of 39 to 100 and it's usually around 70 for an average. Sometimes when someone joins with a dial-up connection it can slow the whole game down to a crawl and when I've got to 200 and above ping it's not really playable. Who knows for sure what you'll get. Raven can work miracles with game engines. Hopefully they are equally as talented with the Net code. Worst-case scenario is that it's too laggy to play online but you could still have nearly as much fun with bots. Wait and see though.

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I agree, you can. It won't be easy at times, but it will be do'able. I hear the netcode for Q3 is good, and it's been tweaked(if I remember correctly). If you're only concerned with a 4 player(small) game that should help to. Stick to dedicated servers(they're usually the best) and of course those close to you. Maybe try and find friends or other people who also have 56K.

 

Host a game and you'll always have the lowest ping. ;)

 

Good luck, have fun.

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I played Elite Force and Quake 3 with 56k for about 6 months and i have to say my ping was on average of 190-200. At that point it is really laggy but playable. 56k is no longer adequate to games online now, as more and more people go broadband. If u can get bruadband as soon as possible. No dial up, instant connection...fast connection, average d/l of 60kb/s, i tell ya once you get bruadband your whole perseption of the internet changes. :D

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Well, don't get any hope to.. I have a DSL and sometimes, Hmmm..... I would say most of the time the game is laggy and I can'T do anything to help it. The game speed depends on all players, not only you. I think that for a 4 player game a 56k is ok. But not more cuz it'll be already laggy as hell. Playing online without lag is a dream to me !

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Originally posted by Darth Ergotht

Well, don't get any hope to.. I have a DSL and sometimes, Hmmm..... I would say most of the time the game is laggy and I can'T do anything to help it. The game speed depends on all players, not only you. I think that for a 4 player game a 56k is ok. But not more cuz it'll be already laggy as hell. Playing online without lag is a dream to me !

 

you have dsl and you lag that bad? it must be your computer, not your 'net connection

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adsl is assymetric which means that' your upload doesnt take bandwith of your download and vice versa...

 

playing jk2 on 56k...well that's gonna suck unless you host but then it will suck for everyone else...

 

anyway most dedicated servers have a certain min rate/packet sending on their servers and since 56k can't keep up with broadbanders you usually freez up in q3...the q3 netcode isnt very 56k friendly so i think you will have a hard time even though i don't know how much they have improved the netcode in Q3 TA...

 

hopefully somthing similar to q3 CPMA will fix the rate problems and maybe even make it more fair to play transatlantic

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I thin kthat my problem is that I have a max upload rate at 16 k/sec. I have a Duron 750 and a TNT2. Sometimes my connection is like going down for no reason. Maybe it's my inernet provider that sucks. But anyway, when I play iwth DSl and cable I don't have any problems. But I think 56k isn't enough to have fun in MP. Too slow and sometimes you think you'Re shooting at a guy but he's like 1 kilometers away.

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i have a 56k and i can play jk multiplayer with barely any lag- if theres 4 people or less and other people have cable/dsl or a fast 56k connection(relatively anyway).

 

sometimes its really bad, but as long as i have a good host i can play with very very little lag. i like playing sbx with trails and it works fine! then again, i've had some lag on my lan too(!?).

 

some ppl say q3 netcode is far better, but maybe its not as good for saber fighting? hopefully it'll run well, and hopefully raven tweaked it to be more able to handle sabers? maybe i don't know what i'm talking about.

 

btw, my ping is usually 190-350

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I wish I could get cable where I live... but sadly, I can't because I live too far out of town. I might be able to get satelite connection sometime... But that's expensive, and I've heard it doesn't work too well if it's cloudy--which I get alot of the year... So, I'm stuck on 56k for now...

 

I really, really, hope Raven takes into consideration us poor 56k users. I hope they can make the netcode as good as it is in Tribes 2... I can play 40+ person game with little lag, even though I get pings of over 300-400. Also, I could play the orignal Jedi Knight pretty easily with hardly any lag, and an average ping of about 300 (on a 4 person game). Also, I can generally play MMOs with little lag in crowded areas... but that's a totally different kind of netcode I'm sure...

 

But sadly it looks I won't be able to play MP, since the Q3 engine isn't too good for 56k.. I just hope Raven modified the netcode as well as the engine... for the better.

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"talking about JK1 being playable wih 56K isn't relevant to Jk2, because their netcodes work totally different"

 

Actually, it is relevant, if a 4 year old game with a crappy netcode could handle 56kers, then JKII should sure as hell be able to handle 56kers... Should I say, because I have a feeling that, while the netcode may evolve for the broadband users, it will de-evolve for us 56kers... I hope they improve the netcode for everyone, jsut as they've improved the rest of the game.

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in JK1 MP, when u pinged ur opponent and ur ping to him was 600, then his ping to you would also be around 600. In JK2 MP it doesnt work that way anymore. You ping urself to one central dedicated server. This is excellent for gunning, u see ur opponent where he actually is= u can now actually aim at ur opponent and hit him, instead of having to "predict" and aim 4 feet in front of him...

 

Just an example:

You have a ping of 300 (which would be good for JK1 lol), your opponent has a ping of 50. You get in a gunfight with ur opponent.

You're both shooting, but you had him in ur crosshair first and u started shooting first. Your aim is good, you can't miss, you started shooting first, you both have the same weapon and same health, so you expect him to die first.

 

That doesn't happen: You die first and he lives. That's because his bullets were recognized sooner by the server, because he had a lower ping.

You might think: ooh, that 0.25 second difference isn't important, but these shootouts happen very often, and u will die a lot just because ur opponent has a better ping. After a while, that becomes incredibly frustrating. You know u have better aim, better moves, better reflexes, but he has that 0.25 second difference that makes u lose.

 

Now when u join a server with ur 56K and 200 or higher ping, and everybody else on that server has a bad ping too, then it's not such a big problem...

But when u join a server where everybody has broadband connections and a ping of 50, then ur the one with one big disadvantage. :D

 

oh well.. JK2'll still be playable with 56K, but those people will just have a big disadvantage when they're on a server with all other users having low pings. :)

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Originally posted by FES_Kosigan

To all you guys with broadband who are not getting their 'desired' rate of download/upload, head over to Speedguide.net . The broadband patches there increased my download speed by 100kb :) . Ah, also, first post ~receives his chocolate Jedi medallion~

 

That site OWNZ! My download speed went from 997kbps to 1405kbps! Up load went from 122kbps to 126 kbps. Over all I went from '19x faster than 56K to 28 x faster that 56k.'*

 

Thank you FES_Kosigan (my hero)and welcome to the forums.

 

*Info: I tested at http://www.dfw.speakeasy.net . I did 3 tests before installing patch and 3 after. 3 d-load speeds before were 997, 982 and 977. 3 d-load speeds after were 1405, 1405 and 1381. the upload speeds were the same, +/- 1 or 2.

 

I also tested over at MSN http://computingcentral.msn.com/internet/speedtest.asp

 

only did 1 test before(stupid HBK)

There I went from 488kbps to 873kbps

 

HBK

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Lol, ahs anyone ever played EF with a 56k.... it sucks so bad it's bloody funny.People jsut stand still and appear a few feet away and then more, and there's no bullets at all beleive me, you sjut lose health every after every 2 seconds and your bullets jsut makes noises no graphics at all.

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Originally posted by HBK

I agree, you can. It won't be easy at times, but it will be do'able. I hear the netcode for Q3 is good, and it's been tweaked(if I remember correctly). If you're only concerned with a 4 player(small) game that should help to. Stick to dedicated servers(they're usually the best) and of course those close to you. Maybe try and find friends or other people who also have 56K.

 

Host a game and you'll always have the lowest ping. ;)

 

Good luck, have fun.

 

quake 3 and good netcode? HA

 

quake 3 is a definite LPB game, look at Half-Life, that is good netcode

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It it possible. Of course it is. There are still a lot of 56k'ers out there. I myself was until 3 weeks ago when I finally got DSL. I played CS for 2 years with a 56k modem, and before that numerous other MP games. It will be harder and you will be at a disadvantage but you will still be able to have a good time if you find a good server that doesn't lag too much. If there happens to be DSL or cable in your area and you just haven't gotten it yet you really need to try to get it because it is definitely worth it. It is usually only about $20 more a month than a regular dial up service. If your parents won't let you get it try to work a deal out with them. Like with my parents I now pay the $20 difference each month (and I had to keep my job that I was going to quit :( ) But yea it will work, but you'd have a better time with broadband if it is available.

 

ALSO, look at it this way. If you aren't able to get broadband you will be building your skills because you will be at a disadvantage and when you do get it, you will be totally kicking @$$, just like I am in CS...well, not really, but you understand what I'm sayin right ;)

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Originally posted by ]SD[MasterYoda

 

quake 3 and good netcode? HA

 

quake 3 is a definite LPB game, look at Half-Life, that is good netcode

 

Sure... If you like bullets that have gravitational forces and pull back into other peoples line of fire.

 

I find the HL engine to be VERY annoying. Making the majority of the code client side instead of server side was a bad idea on VALVe's part.

 

-Caster

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