Code of honor

[power_ed]

Hmm... I'm a little frustrated right now.. I know it's the nature of this game to frag eachother in MP.. But .. we need to have a Code of honor of some kind... There are many ppl (me included) who roam the servers only looking for duels. I dont care about fra point, and you'll usually find me in the bottom of the scale...

 

I found that crouching with the saber off = dude looking for a duel..

 

 

I personally dont think it's very sportsman like to slice a dude unarmed, crouching, sitting still.. (or maybe it's just me?)

 

you might say "go to the duel servers then" ..yeah.. i might.. duel servers are cool too, but i dont like the waiting time, or the abuse of force powers in those fights... dont mistake me, force powers rule (allthough drain might be a little owerpowered), but a true saberfight for me, only involves jump, and saberthrow.

 

 

I ask of you again (with pretty please on top)

please dont take cheap shots at people who is obviously unarmed, only looking for a good saber duel..

[Holy]

just flick it off on people should show little honour in that respect (they dont but hey FFA is just that)if they see someone with holsterd saber they should know they are looking for a duel i would put that forward to people to use to indicate to others around them.

 

bit risky but i always have my finger over my mindtrick key when i do incase it goes tits up and "billythe bunter" with his big gun comes in firing away:).

 

Holy...out

[Sturmgewehr]

Crouching and saber off doesn't always mean they're looking for a duel. I've used it to sneak up on people. Its fun to jump out of a corner and slash at your buddy, then look up across the room and see him jump out of his chair.

 

If I see someone crouching, saber off, out in the open (as opposed to the dark corners I hide in), then I certainly won't attack them. If I see anyone with their saber off, standing still, I'll stop to see if I can figure out what they're intentions are.

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[Essobie]

I'd wait for an CRPG based on the Star Wars universe (I'm pretty sure someone is making one of those, right? before you start talking about "codes of honor".

 

People ducking with their saber off are one thing to me: points.

 

There is no honor in deathmatch... no matter what the game license is.

 

Essobie

[ZeroXcape]

Indeed...

 

If a man has his saber down, it's always a cheap shot at shooting him. In JK, this was the same as putting your fists up (since we couldn't turn off our sabers.)

 

In time, I'm sure this will catch on with the advanced players on advanced servers.

[Kurgan]

I assume of course you're using this in conjunction with the "challenge" option but here is what I recommend:

 

Join Jedi Arena servers.. since there you will never have to worry about somebody killing you when you aren't ready, and it's all 1v1 duels.

[Prox Kolari]

Originally posted by Essobie

People ducking with their saber off are one thing to me: points.

 

There is no honor in deathmatch... no matter what the game license is.

 

Which is really unfortunate. Someone was worried about JK2 turning into CS, but I don't see that happening -- there's no emphasis on headshots here. At the same time, why would you play a Star Wars game as a Jedi Knight so you could recreate Rune MP?

[RahnDelSol]

heh

 

I had a guy on a saber-only server the other night run around the corner and deactivate his saber...that was the trigger for duels that night apparently, so I did the same and hit "K"

 

Next thing I know, he hit speed, Gripped me, and started running in circles.

 

Pretty low-down, but that's ok. I just went out of my way to force-push him over ledges in the Nar Shadda level

 

Found out why he wasn't dueling though...when he DID try to take me on w/ the saber, I kicked him around pretty good.

 

And I'm not that good at MP...lol

 

So I get it

[Robbiesan]

I know what you're saying.. Since I've been playing EF a lot I'm used to guns so the whole saber thing is taking some getting used to.. playing CTF when I see a couple of players dueling I just watch for a bit then run off.. I don't think it's cool to beat on the opposition in that scenario.. if the player has our flag, well, that's another story.. lol I haven't seen anyone crouch with no weapon before but now I know what that means, so no worries from me..

[Cracken]

I find it frustrating when, in duel servers, you walk to the center, in an effort to put some style and ceremony into the duel, and the other dude just strongslash-jumps you. Some people are only in it for the frag, others for the honor, and still others want the frag, but will be honorable about getting it.

 

On a side note, if you want good, honorable saber duels, go to The Austrian's "Swords at Dawn" server. You ought to be able to find it in the in-game browser, if not PM me for the IP.

 

As for JK becoming the next CS, I doubt it, as I've seen very little L337-speak on the servers I play on (Mostly Duel and CTF). Let's hope it stays that way.

[Desslock]

This game has been out around 6 days and you want a Code of Honour? I think your just a bit annoyed. Not everyone hails from the Jedi Knight community so they probably dont know where fists=peace come from. Have some patience. A ninja's code of honor wasn't developed overnight.

[Cracken]

Well, to me fists=peace is just common sense, which is why it was embraced in the JK community. Think of it this way: two guys are standing next to each other, both facing you. One has an E-11 aimed at you, the other has an extinguished lightsaber. Who is the bigger threat, and who would you rather kill? Sure, the guy with an extinguished saber is an easy kill, but the other guy might blow your head off. I've seen some players who, when faced with similar situations, go out of their way to neutralize the non-threat just to put a kill on the board.

[SithMaster2003]

I like to play ffa saber only matches. I also usually host. And i host my games on the zone (i know bad choice, but people will play) When i host on the zone i usually write i description of the game in the little game rrom where you wait before launching. in this description i explicitly say that no sabers= peace. so when people come into my game and do crap like that They usually get voted out, but if they dont, i usually beat the crap out of them (did that this morning) seeing as how cheap shots are the only way they can get kills. I know, you will all yell at me to just go to the duel servers, but i have my feelings about them. i dont enjoy the wait between duels and i enjoy a good group therapy sesion involving sabers. in other words, when i dont want to duel people in the game i like to be able to go and go at it with 6 other people at the same time. I like to think of it as jedi knight etiquette. old JK1 players will remember that no saber = peace, and JK2 newcommers will soon figure it out. If you are hosting a game and intend on enforcing this rule, i would suggest mentioning this. some people who host simply dont care about ettiquette, just frags. so always be sure that no sabers = peace when you join or host a game. otherwise, yu may not have fun.

[Prox Kolari]

The FFA servers I've been on recently? If I take down my saber, they shoot me and scream "LOLOLOLOLOL dark s1de r00ls!!!!". The n00bs are just looking to kill as many as possible.

[Mattock]

I dunno how to do the quote thing so I'll do it the old fashioned way..

 

"The FFA servers I've been on recently? If I take down my saber, they shoot me and scream "LOLOLOLOLOL dark s1de r00ls!!!!". The n00bs are just looking to kill as many as possible."

 

LoL that's hilarious stuff.

 

 

I dunno what's more annoying though, ganked while trying to get a duel, or in the middle of a 3 or 4 way saber fight and some guy starts lobbing thermal detonators or using the secondary fire from the repeater into the middle of the pack. Ugg.

[Admiral Odin]

If you want a code of honor you are going to need many servers who accept the same rules and they would need to stricly enforce that (that would be a quick way) the other way is to have players who accept the code gang up on the player who goes against it until the leave the server.

 

But that is a good idea. I normally don't keep the saber on until I see a nice large fight to get invovled with.

[Essobie]

Originally posted by Desslock

This game has been out around 6 days and you want a Code of Honour? I think your just a bit annoyed. Not everyone hails from the Jedi Knight community so they probably dont know where fists=peace come from. Have some patience. A ninja's code of honor wasn't developed overnight.

 

I'm from the JK community, and I always thought that if you wanted to duel with people, you start your own game (it was even EASIER for you to do that in JK1 since it was peer to peer).

 

I think it's actually a little selfish for people who want to play 1 on 1 to take up spots on a FFA server and just sit around waiting for THEIR game to take place.

 

It's the same problem I have with the chat icon that comes up in Q3A... Like I give a rats ass that you came into a multiplayer setting and had to go answer the phone, or change something in your config.

 

The bottom line here is: don't get bent because someone kills you while you are in THEIR game not doing anything. If all you want to do is duel, then fine... sit around with your saber turned off... but don't get all pissy when I get points off you. I'm down to play the game, not to feel warm and fuzzy about ethics. =P

 

Essobie

[Essobie]

Originally posted by Cracken

Well, to me fists=peace is just common sense, which is why it was embraced in the JK community. Think of it this way: two guys are standing next to each other, both facing you. One has an E-11 aimed at you, the other has an extinguished lightsaber. Who is the bigger threat, and who would you rather kill? Sure, the guy with an extinguished saber is an easy kill, but the other guy might blow your head off. I've seen some players who, when faced with similar situations, go out of their way to neutralize the non-threat just to put a kill on the board.

 

You are looking at one here. THAT is just common sense... score points off the easiest target at all times. That's why you call it "score".

 

Do you think Basketball players take shots from the half court line because winning like that is "honorable" or something? No, they'd much rather go for a quick layup.

 

I could give you about 100 examples of other GAMES that reward players for converting a large quantity of easy shots into points and penalize players for doing things the hard way. Seeing as how JK2 is ALSO a game, the shoe fits. Wear it.

 

Essobie

[MechDeus]

Do you think Basketball players take shots from the half court line because winning like that is "honorable" or something? No, they'd much rather go for a quick layup.

If you're willing to pay me their salary for winning, then I'll start to care more about just winning, no matter the cost. As for them taking shots without honor, why do think the rules are there? If there was no honor for the shots, it's be more like NBA Jam, with people knocking each other down and not dribbling just to hold on to the ball. Your analogy is bad, as it isn't where you shoot the ball from, it's what you do to get the shot. Just as it isn't the type of strike or shot that matters for the kill, it's the way you got that strike or shot to connect.

[Cracken]

There is no way in hell you can equate a swordfight with basketball or any other pro sport. As pointed out previously, the only "honor" code in most pro sports is that of the almighty dollar.

[Foxbatkllr]

I'm with you all the way power on this code of honor thing. I play very respectably. I won't kill someone unless they know I am there and they are armed. I too have been struck down many times while standing there with my saber off. I've even challenged someone to a duel and without accepting, they just charge me with one strong stance swing an kill me (and of course i was unarmed to challenge them to a duel). I yelled at him and 5 minutes later he did the exact same thing. Some people have no ethics. To me, killing is wonderful and winning is even greater but my enjoyment comes from the experience and honorably hard fought battles. I don't get enjoyment out of slashing some unarmed guy in the back. The most simple way to enforce these codes is to have the servers set rules and kick those who disobey.

[Zagadka]

FFS, try some role playing. While I'm sure you are very used to the "You are a marine. Here is a gun" story background, we are Jedi Knights. FFS, even Vader and Maul didn't cheese like that. They stood there, looked cool and evil, ignited their sabers, and attacked when everyone was ready. I think the key word we are looking at here is "knight".

 

I take it that you apply the "easy score" philosophy to spawn killing and the like (in other games, at least)?

 

Anyway, I do see the point and reasoning behind the FFA servers. What I think that we really need is a modified FFA engine for formal saber duels - not a Duel server, but FFA rules, sabers only, MOTD explaining the rules/code of honor, and general player understanding.

[Havikar]

I agree on the code of honer. but what really pisses me off, is the frigen people who neer read they sit there religisly and all they do is kill kill thats it . you try saying hello and all you get is nothing back now what kind of community is that. this is my senario

 

i join game.

 

"hello all "

..............

some one kills this guy

some one kills this guy

some one kills this guy

some one kills this guy

some one kills this guy

'' hello is any one alive out there"

some one kills this guy

some one kills this guy

some one kills this guy

some one kills this guy

"hello????"

some one kills this guy

some one kills this guy

" hows everyone doing anyone jsut want a friendly duel"

I get killed

game is over

some guy " HA HA HA YOU ALL SUCK HA HA HA"

 

I mean it only been 6 days and everyone is all serius about this game , its like like pathetic. What does it hurt to say hello. butt nooo its all about the kills. I think at least saying hello sound be an automatic code of honor along with no saber=peace. the other thing is when your dueling on ffa servers and some smuck keeps of fireing at you even tho it does nothing but distract you, i mean come on people read the manual YOU CANT HURT PEOPLE WHILE THERE IN DUEL MODE.

[Forhekset]

Originally posted by Zagadka

FFS, try some role playing. While I'm sure you are very used to the "You are a marine. Here is a gun" story background, we are Jedi Knights. FFS, even Vader and Maul didn't cheese like that. They stood there, looked cool and evil, ignited their sabers, and attacked when everyone was ready. I think the key word we are looking at here is "knight".

 

I dunno man, Maul was a pretty cocky bastard. And Vader pounded the crap out of Luke from all angles with various pieces of metal/machinery in ESB. It ain't like Vader said, "Well I can't bonk Luke in the back of the head with that hunk of steel right there, he can't even see it coming. I should just wait for him to turn around so he has a sporting chance."

 

I also recall Vader lunging at Luke suddenly near the beginning of a duel and nearly knocking him over with the sheer force of his initial blow, as he caught Luke off guard (maybe I'm wrong on that one...been a while since I've seen ESB, but I think that was also in that movie). Really, trying to use Darth Vader as an example of a "honorable person" is pretty silly. And what about Luke? I distinctly remember him giving Vader a severe beatdown at the end of ROTJ while Vader was on the ground, clutching to a railing with one hand, pathetically trying to defend himself with the other hand, until Luke lopped his hand off. That wasn't too honorable was it? Seems like Luke should have let Vader stand up, or maybe go sit down and rest for a spell til he felt like continuing the duel.

 

Seriously though, all this "honor" talk is well, ridiculous. There's being a cheapass punk, and there's playing a good clean game, and then there's some gray area in between the two. But honor in video games? Nah.

[Forhekset]

Originally posted by Havikar

I agree on the code of honer. but what really pisses me off, is the frigen people who neer read they sit there religisly and all they do is kill kill thats it . you try saying hello and all you get is nothing back now what kind of community is that. this is my senario

 

Havikar, that's how probably at least 60% of all people who play games online act, at least in my experience. Either they don't talk, or when they do talk, they have to type in all caps and/or l33t speak. I have no idea if they're just shy, so they don't talk, or if they're all 10 years old and socially inept. I mean, I don't want to frigging sit around and carry on a long drawn out conversation or something, but saying "hey" takes all of what, 5 seconds? I mean if you don't want to talk to anyone or interact whatsoever why don't you just sit around offline playing matches against bots? Bleh.

 

So anyway, it ain't just JK2 that has this problem, there are tons of other games that are plagued by freaks who have no social skills whatsoever. You ever played anything on battle.net? What a mutant colony that damn place is.