Chanke4252 Posted April 30, 2002 Share Posted April 30, 2002 I was curious of a few things. Ive been wanting to swap my P4 1.5ghz with an AMD chip but the MHZ of these chips arent listed. What are the standard MHZ of the Athlon XP processors. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY_jmr1 Posted April 30, 2002 Share Posted April 30, 2002 me? i'd stay with the 1.5ghz p4. more specs please, ram, vid card, ectectect..... I do not care for the amd's much but thats just mho. if i had money to burn i'd go for a gf4 ti 4600 hell... i have a p4 1.4ghz and i have not been able to overload it(well take that back, FS2k2 on full settigns will...) and i have only a gf2mx400.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Legolas Posted April 30, 2002 Share Posted April 30, 2002 I am in the process of buying a new CPU, ram, motherboard, and video card... Almost all the people who I talked to at computer shops told me do not get AMD's as they have terrible problems with overheating. Even the people who I told them I am buying the parts from Brisbane (where it is cheaper) and not my own city said this. This is proof they were not just wanting me to buy a certain product as they said what I would be better off to get even though they knew I wasnt buying from them. P4's cost the same as the same GHz AMD XP processors too (here at least). So get a P4 and not an AMD. Heat sinc problems aparantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chanke4252 Posted April 30, 2002 Author Share Posted April 30, 2002 I guess I'll stick with the P4, not like I really needed to upgrade, but I like to keep my computer top of the line. Pentium 4 1.5ghz 512MB RAM Visiontek GeForce3 Ti200 64mb SB! Live 40GB HD Maybe I'll just overclock it instead. How much different is it overclocking your processor than overclocking your graphics card anyway? Ill figure it out im sure. Thanks for the input guys. BOOYA!™ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY_jmr1 Posted April 30, 2002 Share Posted April 30, 2002 OCing a p4 depends on your chipset and type of ram. rdram or ddrram do not like being OCed:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chanke4252 Posted April 30, 2002 Author Share Posted April 30, 2002 Well, I just ordered a few little extra fans for my gfx card and processor, and will replace the main processor cooling fan as well. That should clear up any problems with this RAM business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Yoyo Posted April 30, 2002 Share Posted April 30, 2002 You have a great system. I just upgraded to a P4 1.8 GHz Northwood last month and I'm thrilled to death with it. Its not to far off from your system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY_jmr1 Posted April 30, 2002 Share Posted April 30, 2002 its not the heat that the ram hates, its the design of the rdram and ddrram that takes ofence to it. pc133(ugh)ram will OC fine though. somewhere there is a site about a p4 OCed to 3.00ghz.... YOW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedantic Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 As long as you get a good heatsink and fan, then you should have no problem with Athlons. Besides, Athlons are hella better than Pentiums. In speed comparisons, a 1.2 GHz Athlon beat a 1.5 GHz Pentium. I'm not sure of the speeds of the new XP processors. But anyway, get an Athlon. AMD all the way!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebloodedsith Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 I agree, Athlon is much better. AMD started the "Athlon xp" system to state. "It's not the clock speed that matters, it's the performance". . I have dual athlon mp 1800 (wich is the exact same thing as XP, but xp is just for single, and mp is for DUels). 1800= 1.53 Ghz. But it will Out perform a P4 1.8 ghz by atleast 20%. I have done benchmarks with my dual 1800 and it outperforms dual p4 2 ghz xeon processors by about 5 percent. As far as the heat, as long as u get good cooling fans for ur processors (wich u should do no matter if u got a p4 or athlon), u should be perfectly fine. Also, i think the new xp AMD's are using the .13 micro processor. Just liek the P4, so i think they stay just a bit hotter.. The older athlons are the ones that get real hot. But dont quote me on the .13 micro processor. I am not sure. ALso, p4 are much more exspensive then a Athlon. I dunno where that guy is shopping. ALl u are doing when u buy intel is Buying the name. Not the performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NerfYoda Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 Yup AMD will provide alot more bang for the buck. It's true that they run hotter than your average P4, but a sensible HSF & case air flow should keep you safe and happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Abbadon Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 I used to be completely for Intel, but am in support of AMD now. AMD used to have some problems with their earlier chips (before Athlon), but they've cleared it up from what I've seen. If you are worried about the heat at all, then I suggest you get the heatsink and fan that I have. Here is the site for it: http://www.swiftnets.com/MCX370.htm The one with a copper base is the one I have. I took the fan on the old heatsink and have it so it draws up air into the power supply to be blown out. Soon as I have some sort of income, I plan on saving up and getting more RAM, upgrading my 1GHz, and replacing all my hard drives with 100+GB ones. Then if I have more money, I'll upgrade to the Geforce 4 that someone already mentioned in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wicket the Ewok Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 I think with the new Northwood P4 processors the performance of a Athlon XP 1800+ vs. a P4 1.8A chip is roughly the same. However, I prefer the range of motherboards you can get for the AMD processors and the AMD chips are considerably cheaper too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cqdemal Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 It's as NerfYoda said, Athlon XP chips provide a lot more bang for the buck. But performance-wise, the P4 Northwood chips have already slipped ahead of the AMD chips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrEEpaGe Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 wait for the next gen athlons =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBJedi Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 In your situation I wouldn't upgrade anything till Doom 3 comes out. It's the next generation game engine, and I'd see how things perform from that point on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acdcfanbill Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 hehe, Athalon 64 is what i hear the clawhammer will become... man, i can wait to kick some serious intel kazoo with that thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooNBB Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 The AMD x86-64 Processors will be a HUGE step forward in processor performance. It will run everything out there today in 32bit mode at about 20% faster than smae speed grade K7 Athlons. The Advances in Bus Technology and Memory Control are Amazing!! There will be a continuation of the Athlon brand, but it has yet to be officially named. There will also be a new brand introduced, The AMD Opteron processor but that will be mainly for commercial typr machines. Sit back for a second and imagine what a game would be like on a machine capable of storing the entire game, high quality textures, Geometry, EVERYTHING and very quickly accessed RAM. It is going to be SO tight! You can get more info on the architecture at http://www.x86-64.org or http://www.amd.com You'll just have to wait till Fall/Winter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arawyn Posted May 5, 2002 Share Posted May 5, 2002 Athlon XP processors go up to about 1763 MHz. However, AMD processors will process 9 operations per second, with a minimum of 1 being a floating point calculation. the Intel Processors will run up to 2400 MHz, but are only capable of 6 operations per second, with a minimum of 2 of them being a floating point calculation. Right now the Athlon XP processors are built with a .18um core design while the Intel P4s use a .13um design. This doesn't really make too much of a difference other than the voltage required for the chip and the die size. However the larger circuitry does limit the effective MHz rating on the XP processors. Within the next 6-8 months AMD will release a new version of their XP processors with the thorobread(sp?) core which will be manufactured using .13um technology which will raise the MHz rating on their XP models. What it boils down to is that the AMD chips will do more per clock cycle than an Intel, but the Intel chips have more clock cycles per second. Doing the necessary calculations, i've determined that the Athlon XP 2100+ performs ~1000 more operations per second than the Intel P4 2.4GHz. In the grand scheme of things that isn't a noticable differnce, maybe about 1 frame per second. So it basically comes down to price and what you feel comfortable with. I buy AMD processors personally, as do many of my friends. but i know a few people who have crappy luck with AMD and stick with intel. But there isn't very much of a difference between the 2. And i'm pretty sure now with the XP and P4 they have different pin configurations and need different motherboards. Though if i were you i'd wait and see what AMD releases in the neare future and find out how it bench marks against intels chips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arawyn Posted May 5, 2002 Share Posted May 5, 2002 Originally posted by LooNBB The AMD x86-64 Processors will be a HUGE step forward in processor performance. It will run everything out there today in 32bit mode at about 20% faster than smae speed grade K7 Athlons. The Advances in Bus Technology and Memory Control are Amazing!! There will be a continuation of the Athlon brand, but it has yet to be officially named. There will also be a new brand introduced, The AMD Opteron processor but that will be mainly for commercial typr machines. Sit back for a second and imagine what a game would be like on a machine capable of storing the entire game, high quality textures, Geometry, EVERYTHING and very quickly accessed RAM. It is going to be SO tight! You can get more info on the architecture at http://www.x86-64.org or http://www.amd.com You'll just have to wait till Fall/Winter The new AMD Chips using the new "hammer" technology will be named "AMD Athlon [something]" i was at the Tech Tour they had in Hartford, CT on thursday and that is all they would tell us :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clem Posted May 5, 2002 Share Posted May 5, 2002 i run on a tbird 1.4 and only had overheating problems in the first month or so (it was going to 65) after that it settled in and now runs at 50 -53 degrees ... i dont think ive got ne special cooling in there just a heatsink n fan also the 1.4s are damn quick ... do u really need more speed? ram makes alot of diff at these cpu speeds!! as mentioned above pentiums are about twice the price of equiv (going by xp 1800 = p4 1.8) athlons ....tomshardware.com has a few benchmark tests and the athlons rule all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amorpheus Posted May 5, 2002 Share Posted May 5, 2002 Originally posted by Arawyn However, AMD processors will process 9 operations per second, with a minimum of 1 being a floating point calculation. the Intel Processors will run up to 2400 MHz, but are only capable of 6 operations per second, with a minimum of 2 of them being a floating point calculation. You mean operations per clock cycle... per second would be very, very, very slow. Wait until AMD go to .13µm. That should heat the price war up a bit again, and of course boost speeds. I'd say leave your system as it is for the time being... otherwise, AMD does have the better price, and the speed advantantage of the (expensive) high-end P4s is neglible for games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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