Vulkan Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 I'm having a hard time parrying opponent attacks out when my ping is anytihng above 100, very hard to time your own attack to clash with the other guy's attack when you're not playing in zero ping conditions... I switched to a simple script to get around the odd double click jump backflip change, you can still kick people down easily with a single click using the 2 side jumps though, these are easy enough to execute thanks to the game's third person perspective. The last thing I noticed this patch did was make saber throw a _really_ important skill to take. I'm interested to see if this splits the community up into a group that plays patched servers, and people who don't... I'm guessing this will happen since the game has changed so drastically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcdavel Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 Maybe people will be more careful about what they ask for on the forums now.. you know what they say: "Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deetox187 Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 Just played a bit more and i am now convinced, the game has been turned into a total utter peice of CRAP. The new saber system is a complete joke, no fun whatsoever anymore. I am uninstalling and will reinstall without the patch, theres no way i will play like that again. This patch needs to be sent back to hell where it came from, hopefully next time Raven will be smart and not hire Satan to do their programming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 I LOVE RAVEN! Yay NewB!!! All people who read this and are disgusted by the whining, don't complain about it, just insert your usless, but positive spam!! RAVEN RULES!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Omega Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 Heh, actually I noticed practically nothing changed with medium, but that's probably because I dont use the twirl move. Heavy is a lot more risky now! Against a smart player, heavy blows will be blocked most of the time. (I was playing against Desann, he couldn't hit me unless he was medium or light.) Saber fights are a lot more longer and much more like SP. And don't tell me I am a newbie, because I won a fair share of matches on duel servers and FFA without abusing heavy DFA. Give the patch some time! You'll like it. (Note: I didn't try guns.) Besides, like that guy said, the true master adapts........... So have I............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulkan Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 You can still do some twirls with medium, try a forward slash followed by a right strafing attack. Or a left strafe/forward slash followed by a left strafing attack. I almost always use medium, and when I use it I never use the twirls, just regular slash combos so it's basically the same for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tekken Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 I like what they've done with this. You can still DFA, just can't aim in-air. GOOD (anyone know if they nerfed the area effect?) Yellow is MUCH MORE controlled, and you can still do a spin move, albeit slower and it's not automatic. GOOD. In terms of control, Blue is almost where Yellow was. GOOD. Red now has 2-swing combos (!). AND a slow-assed spin move. Deadly, if used right. But SLOOOOW, so it's gotta be used in the right situation. GOOD. I think this patch promotes the use of ALL stances now, instead of those who stuck with Yel or Red only. The really good players will make their mark by utilizing ALL of the stances. My only gripe is that they didn't make it backwards compatible. Would be nice to have a choice of playing styles/controls, so we could play 'old style' when we wanted..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightFallMyriad Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 Wow guys, sounds like a great patch, I sure can't wait to download it. Oh wait, nevermind I already did... I guess I'll just install it now... Hmm, what's this? "Directory is invalid! Target files could not be created." Better check the readme file. Says here that if it can't find the files I should try to reinstall the game. Ok. Here goes. Well I just finished reinstalling it. Now for the big moment. Hmm, what's this? "Directory is invalid! Target files could not be created." Maybe its a corrupted file, I'll try downloading it again. Oh, my God. It still won't work. Enough politeness, its now time for obscenities: :swear: WHY!!! WHY DOES THIS HAPPEN!!?? OH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WHY!!! *ahem* Can someone help me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominator Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 personally the game was fine the way it was now the jkded server doesn't work worth crap.. and they have added saber throwing which is a force but they added it as not a force. go ****ing figure. Duels are ruined by endless spamming of saber throw when someone gets down to under 15 health. almost impossible to do DFA. Which was fine from the beginnig. Except the endless nebie spammning complaing about it cause they can't dodge it, which you can. You can also counter it easily. The game is ****ed from the get go. Other then that everything is humky dora.. Of course this is just my opinion of it.. Everyone has the own opinion. peace out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luxojr Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 What the hell is wrong with some of you people? You bitch when there's no patch, you bitch when there is a patch. Christ - the game was great fun even pre-fix; probably the most bug free release I've seen in a long time. They've solved pretty much every issue that existed with an already great game. Guns were imbalanced. Drain and Heal were overbalanced. Now they're not. And you still aren't happy?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubei2501 Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 The patch is cool, now all you server admins please hook it up so I can start playing more than bots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vision Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 Ok I got the skinny. Heavy does suck now, but they added stuff for it. It has ALOT more depth and strategy to it now. Guess what? Heavy has 2 swing combos now(even lucky 3 swings ones too, haven't been able to get those down yet though) Heres the deal with heavy now though, you hold the button instead of just tapping it once per swing. This achieves a double swing, and you can combo such moves as a circle swing(forward/anystrafe+that strafe direction, while holding fire) Also, DFA is accomplished by jumping with the mouse fire button held now. You cannot swing in circles, and it doesn't kill in one hit even if you get a direct hit on someone BLOCKING IS OUTRAGEOUS! Its ridiculous how easy it is to block now. The force power nerfs are in-After you drain someone of their full force power, your whole force bar is almost gone. Did you drain someone and grip them? Even though you can't grip them after drain(too much force used)...Grip is very slow now anyway. They have nerfed grip to DEATH. You walk VERY slow now, its very easy to push/pull out of a grip. Heal is very nerfed as well, way over the edge. Light is good now, it'll be the spam for the millenium With the new heavy style combos, during the end of your second heavy swing you can do a dfa, so thats one free swing and one free blockbuster move(i dunno if its much of a blockbuster anymore) I haven't played all the duel maps, just duel_temple right now. Its the final level in single player jo(slightly different)...has the final music too. But you guys can see for yourselves. I'd just thought I'd mention the depth that they gave heavy now. No more click and run towards your enemy, it requires thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD_ToRMeNt Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 Guns unbalanced? Bleh try again. Ever think that maybe you got killed with guns not because the guns were to powerfull, but because you weren't that great of a player? Most people already thought the Jk2 guns were a lame version of UT's, the patch has made it worse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBJedi Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 Originally posted by Vestril Yay NewB!!! All people who read this and are disgusted by the whining, don't complain about it, just insert your usless, but positive spam!! RAVEN RULES!!! And we should quote each other. RAVEN OWNS YOU ALL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceRain Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 I'll keep it short: This patch was the best thing that could have happened. (Yes, I've played with it.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoodlyGod Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 Raven, you'd better release another patch and un-nerf the guns. While you're at it, make it so you can regen force while using powers. They made a product, you bought it. Live with it. Or don't play it. Making demands of a developer that you in no way control will get you nowhere. Perhaps try a calm suggestion. Or maybe even an occasional thank you for the countless hours these people spent on a game that the people wanted and seem to enjoy. Do you think they owe you something? These people spend their time on something for you. They don't have to patch this game. They could take their check and leave it all behind, but they listen to the people and attempt to fix things the majority seems to dislike. -The guns are a joke compared to other FPS If you'd like to use the guns in another FPS, why not buy said FPS and play it. ACTUALLY LISTENS to us about what to change. Its like they pulled the ideas out of their butts and said "hey, lets change this and piss everyone off" Raven has been more active in these forums and more in tune with what the community wants than any other game developer I've ever seen. Months before release they'd drop by the forums and answer questions and concerns. Then, after the release they continued to support the community. One of them released a few strategy guides the day the game was released. And I doubt anyone was holding a gun to his head. ChangKhan has 298 posts, the last of which was 4 days ago. He registered on the 8th of August, 2001. He's been here, listening and answering for quite a while. If pissing people off were their goal, they would have stopped production the day before the game was supposed to be released. Or, they truly would ignore the community and do nothing for this game. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. And remember that the developer does not revolve around you. Your needs and wants don't overrule the a)majority or b)the creators vision. This company has spent more time listening to us piss and moan then I ever would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD_ToRMeNt Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 I've answered this before, the force was what made JK1 worth playing over other games. JK2 forces makes it better then quake but not like the way JK1 forces did, not by a long shot. Now they've nerfed the guns so bad that with or without sabers and force, JK2 might not be worth playing over other games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBJedi Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 Originally posted by SpaceRain I'll keep it short: This patch was the best thing that could have happened. (Yes, I've played with it.) Yay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NerfYoda Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 Geez does nothing satisfy you people? They're fixing all the problems that we were whining about, but its never good enough for you folks. Install the damn patch. If you dont like it then dont freakin play it (reinstall w/ the old version). Learn how to adapt you morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBJedi Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 Originally posted by NoodlyGod Raven has been more active in these forums and more in tune with what the community wants than any other game developer I've ever seen. Months before release they'd drop by the forums and answer questions and concerns. Then, after the release they continued to support the community. One of them released a few strategy guides the day the game was released. And I doubt anyone was holding a gun to his head. ChangKhan has 298 posts, the last of which was 4 days ago. He registered on the 8th of August, 2001. He's been here, listening and answering for quite a while. If pissing people off were their goal, they would have stopped production the day before the game was supposed to be released. Or, they truly would ignore the community and do nothing for this game. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. And remember that the developer does not revolve around you. Your needs and wants don't overrule the a)majority or b)the creators vision. This company has spent more time listening to us piss and moan then I ever would. Very well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMJediLuke Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 Amen, brotha. Just smacked down some bots with the patch, seems like the new style is cool. ~Jedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NerfYoda Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 Originally posted by NoodlyGod Don't bite the hand that feeds you. And remember that the developer does not revolve around you. Your needs and wants don't overrule the a)majority or b)the creators vision. This company has spent more time listening to us piss and moan then I ever would. HARRUMPH!! HARRUMPH!!! Hey i didnt get a harrumph outta that guy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoodlyGod Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 HARRUMPH!! =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediCrow Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 Okay, this thread is cool and all, but later we need to have a separate "I actually gave the patch a chance and NOW I'm commenting on it" thread. Sheesh, alot of ppl complaining about this patch, and I can tell that most have not even tried it. I HAVE tried it, and I think that they did EXACTLY what they said in the readme, which is make the saber fighting alot more like single player. So whatever you think about single player sabering is what you will probably think about multiplayer sabering. I happen to like it, since its much more cinematic and less "jump around and swing like a monkey to win." As far as guns, who cares. Play Quake3 if you want to fight with guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etz Posted May 7, 2002 Share Posted May 7, 2002 Of all the people above, I think Vision gave most thought to his answer. That's not to say I agree with him but at least his answer wasn't a bitching /whining fest. One thing worth noting is that when you attack with red, you're momentarily slowed and the peak of the attack. This means you wont be able to chase someone with red if they wish to run away. It also makes evading red attacks easier. Blocking as already said seems very easy, but part of this maybe Illusion because you'll have to time your attacks better to cause the full damage (30 / 60 / 100), than you did before in 1.02 version. That's why the battles take longer, this will also slightly balance the nerfed drain / heal because you'll have more time to use them. All in all I like it, even if it's too early to say how the changes will affect play balance. Everyone should understand that, even if they feel liking dissing Raven for what they did (or praising them for that matter). Anyhow a patch is out and I think most of us can agree it was needed, it shows they care and that it will not likely be the last patch from them. Etz out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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