BlackDove Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 Everyone has a right to disagree...if you didn't like it, that doesn't mean you aren't a true fan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorain8 Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 lobotomist boy what was your 1st language? thats all i ask\ MORE PEOPLE READ THE WRITING WHEN IT ISNT IN PARAGRAPH FORM IF YA HAVENT NOTICED. OYA ABOUT THE DERRIVED CRAP (some of it is LUCAS SAID THAT HIMSELF) BUT NOT FROM AI AND MOVIES POST 1972 all movies have similar ideas IF YOU WATCH "STIR OF ECHOES" you realize that frigin osmond kid's movie "THE 6TH SENSE" copied the idea to the letter i havent heard any bitchen about that SCARY MOVIE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IF THAT ISNT BASED ON SCREAM I AM GUNNA JUMP OUT MY WINDOW .......... (NEEDED TO ADD A LITTLE COMEDY) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 Where does anyone come up with this bad acting bull****? I grew up in a little city called Stratford Ontario, it's main attraction is the Festival Theatre (3 theatres actually) My step mother worked at them, so was able to meet many actors and saw numerous plays and rehersals. I met John Nevil when i was about 6, remembered by most pop culture punks like myself as the well manicured man on the X files. The point is, I can recognize acting, and the cast of Episode 2 did act, quite well. Some of the romantic dialogue seemed wonky, but that's the flaw regarding the actor's perfermance, and seemed to have more to do with the scripting anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 Originally posted by dorain8 lobotomist boy what was your 1st language? thats all i ask\ MORE PEOPLE READ THE WRITING WHEN IT ISNT IN PARAGRAPH FORM IF YA HAVENT NOTICED. I'm not the one with the caps, son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son_e_boy Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 Man so many of you people that are critising this film say's that everybody should have their own opinion. If that's the case then why do we get people writing: "DON'T WATCH IT!!! ITS CRAP" Oh... now who isn't letting people have their own opinion??? Oh yeah and i also picked this out of a review i read: "Eventually, he reteams with Anakin and Amidala to fight Count Dooku (Christopher Lee), a former Jedi knight who's turned evil and wants to take over the galaxy because ... who knows? He just does. That's how indiscernible the plot and motivations are." Some people think this plot is written for toddlers. Well maybe it should be if critics can't even figure out why Dooku creates a threat. And for any of you that wanna tell me off.. SCREW YOU IN ADVANCE ehhehehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chastan Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 I think you're talking about Attack of the Cones, sorry, wrong forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natty Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 GRISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSY *mwha* hi hunny... ok I'm over that, just wanted to give Grissy a special hewwo Can I ask which will probably sound like a pretty stupid question, but why is it ok for people to be unhappy or not really like Phantom Menace that much, but if people say they don't really like Attack Of The Clones, then everyone jumps on their back and get accused of not being a real StarWars fan? Did I miss something? OK fine- all 5movies have their weak points and bad points. Mark Hammil, springs to mind. Enough said (jk bout Mark Hamill, I still wuvs him BTW- still think he's better in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back though...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichDiesal Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 After reading this thread, I can't stop laughing... really... I can't... this it perhaps one of the funniest things I've read in a good while. Bravo guys (and girl )... bravo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklighter Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 Originally posted by =SSC=Kal-El Everyone has a right to disagree...if you didn't like it, that doesn't mean you aren't a true fan... I understand that, but I reckon Lucas needs all the help he can get at this point. I admit the flaws were quite copious, but anyone with a liking of star wars no doubt must have injoyed the film a litle bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSkoolJedi Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 Well, I Thought it was a kick ass movie.....the thing most ppl are doing wrong is comparing it to other star wars movies. Sure it was'nt necassarly the greatest star wars movie (that is of course excluding others, including myself, that it was the best of all) but just pretend that you had NEVER even heard of star wars (ok so maybe not that harsh) and watch the movie and you will see or should see, that it is a good movie. Ok, yes the romance was crap, but then look at the mentioned Garage scene ("I Slaughterd them like ANIMALS !), ok now for all you comparers, compare the romance to Mark Hamill's Scene where he tells Leia they're borther and sister and you'll see that the romance and that scene are...about the same =/ Later... OldSkoolJedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lobotomist Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 Heh, my first language is Croatian...english is just one of the others i learned on the way (trough the galaxy natturally) Vicious - You say John Nevil is known to you as a good actor. Well i dont know, but i wouldnt be soprised to find out he really is. But being confronted (and having to execute) some of the corniest lines i heared in long time (in movies, i do hear it every day in soap operas my granma' watches). I am sure that it posed a problem for him. Actually even the likes of Robert DeNiro, or Dustin Hoffman (etc) would have huge problem in acting it, and avoiding looking stupid ... Darkligter - SUPPORTING???!!! Well let me tell you something about supporting. Supporting something that you stand behind and belive in 100% is surely the way to go. But supporting something that you belive should be done better, and you wish it would be done better is just the opposite of good. Why? Because , we have the freedom..and not only the freedom. We have the obligation to change our world for the better. If i say starwars ep. 2 sucks. I am not destructive. I say it , because i LOVE starwars, and i wish from deep of my heart to see it as shiny as possible. And hopefully somebody who really mathers would listen and say....Hey, this guys are right, JarJar Binks really sucked....or wow, the dialogues are really stupid.... Lets change it in the next episode, let us take a man that can really direct (why not Steven Spielberg ? - him and Lucas woked together before, and made fascinating results), lets make story more rewarding to our real fans, etc... I just wish more people wouldnt be afraid to open their minds.Put their feet down and say "I am not going with the stream any more!" Than many things would have to change , and the comercial industries would just treat us as mindless cattle.... LOBOTOMIST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklighter Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 I've just had a change of heart... But seriously, I loved the movie. I came out think 'nothing more could have been done to it. Amazing'. I am not putting people down for having opinions - I simply want people to enjoy the film for being Star Wars. And I do agree, Jar jar Binks whas the c***est charcter ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kit Fisto Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 Originally posted by GUNNER I loved it, not much else matters. and thats what it comes down to, **** what others think, if you enjoyed the film, great, stay true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodSoup Posted May 23, 2002 Author Share Posted May 23, 2002 Hey guys...take it easy... I put up this thread intentionally because I wanted to see how some of you reacted to my provocative title. I just wanted to say I think it's great that some of you thought about my arguments and really proved them wrong! Remember, this is just one man's opinion - a lot (hell, all) of my friends loved it and I'm really under fire. I wanted to say that I still revere George Lucas and that AOTC had the best SFX ever and the action scenes are the best I've seen in a long time. I guess my expectiations were just a little high. Take a deep breath, everyone, and relax. dorain8 - I'm just a nice guy, I'm not a fat, slobby TV-junkie or a film student. You'd probably get on with me, I'm an ordinary science fiction fan. lobotomist - hey, are you really croatian? me too! where do you live right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havoc Stryphe Posted May 23, 2002 Share Posted May 23, 2002 Originally posted by GoodSoup dorain8 - I'm just a nice guy, I'm not a fat, slobby TV-junkie or a film student. You'd probably get on with me, I'm an ordinary science fiction fan. I can't resist... that sounds a bit...kinky? j/k I think you meant "get along with me" By the way, I think the movie was good, but's that's because I don't think Lucas owe's me anything because I'm old enough to have seen the original films in the theatre. Star Wars has always been about Teeanagers, kids and families. So, if the dialogue comes across contrived and only a teenager wouldn't notice it, I say, "Yeah, that makes sense." Just remember, We grew up (well, most of us, anyways ), Star Wars remained the same. It's going to seem cheesy... we're not 13 yr olds watching it for the first time, are we? <- aimed at those who are older and film students and overly critical, not those who are actually 13 (you guys propablly like it! ) [Dont' get me wrong, I loved it! I was referring to those who... nevermind ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squid808 Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 There are a lot of thoughts going through this thread right now, so i'll add mine. I, ever since i can remember, have been a SW fan. I absolutely loved the 70's movies, and i think they were well done. And yes, that's all that really matters. There is no point in forcing the views on anybody though, as it won't change. Mr. Vicious, I don't give a rat's butt if you grew up with Julia Roberts, the fact that you've been around acters doesn't make you an expert. My parents were teachers, but that doesn't make me an administrator. But that's besides the point. The movie lacked feeling. Sure some of the lines were delivered, "I don't like sand, it's hard and coarse, and gets everywhere, unlike you." (or something like that) or "i love you, truly, deeply" (gag me) but as they were delivered, they didn't feel like real people talking, they sounded like people bored of their jobs. Remember back: Natalie Portman (pardon any spelling mishaps) falls out of a flying craft; at least ten feet off the ground, at least going 20 mph. Now, she falls, and when we come back to her, she is obviously hurt. The clone comes over to talk to her, says something i forget what, and she immediately gets up, fine as a summer rain. Now, did she just MAGICALLY get all better? 'Annie' sounded like he was trying to be macho, and the rest sounded too mono-tone and formal. (Except Obi-Wan, I think he did a good job, kudos.) And there are the glitches, which can be accepted with any computer aided/generated movie. (Like in the restaurant, take a drink, nothing outs the cup...) But the worst i felt was the ending yoda sequence. I did not pay to see a comedy, but low and behold, when little green raisen whips out the lightsabre with this dark, ominous music looming in the background, does it feel like the all-important, deadly battle it should? no. The WHOLE audience is laughing. LAUGHING! during the final fight scene. The only time i laughed (besides C3P0) was when portman fell out of the ship. not because it was that funny, but because of the forementioned happening. Sad. I just want to know why many of these things happened. So no, i didn't like Episode 1 or 2. Does that make me any less of a fan? Hell no. Am i telling anyone to believe exactly what i write, and to conform? no. this is my view. don't get all offensive about criticizing the best movie in the entire whole-world, but if you have something civil to say, even constructive maybe, please by all means reply. and yes, LOTR was a superb movie, i loved it. i can't wait for the other two. i have the books, and i read them a good number of years before the movie was even thought about. i am a fan. did i have criticism for the movie? yeeeeeesss. am i now a lesser fan or not one at all? oh, it's a bit lengthy, sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lobotomist Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 Hey GoodSoup So you are Croatian also...Hehe , is it just me or is it a Croatian conspiracy against a new Star Wars film LOL Anyways i am from Bjelovar, but right now i study in Vienna..and you? The moments i laughed during the film: 1.Anakin finding Shmi and the stupid dialogue...this one really cracked me up.I couldnt stop laughing. 2.Anakins nightmare...why?Because in first few seconds it looked like princess amidala was giving him a blow*** under the covers LOL 3.Generally all the "love" scenes The moments everybody else finded funny except myself: Joda fighting Doku. I dont know.For me Joda is a thrully remarkable personality in SW.And somehow i always wanted to see him in action.And it didnt disapoint me.Since i am a hardcore JK2 player (some of you may know me as Metabaron ),the fight beetween them seemed to be very good and realistically done.Like first they bash at each other with force, than Doku says that the true skill should be shown only with sabres.It reminded me to some great duels in JK2. Surelly Joda is a midget, and his style of fighting looked funny...but deadly aswell. Let me draw the paralel to Dungeons&Dragons (3e) Halflings as the race are 3 feet tall.They are even to small to wield any sword except short sword.But they have +2 dexterity and +1 on Armor class. Meaning that they are so nimble and small that bigger creatures (humans) have trouble hitting them. In a way Joda was fighting in a way halfling would..he was jumping around Doku, who was completely unable to follow him... Lord of the rings... Now look this film, and tell me if one of the actors acted badly, or if there was any corny dialogue? I dont think so ... Lobotomist B.E.T.O.N productions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 Pogodi odakle sam ja....and Concrete productions??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 Btw, I could go explaining to both of you (two last posters) in detail and defy your posts, but I think everyone should keep to his reality, so peace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodSoup Posted May 24, 2002 Author Share Posted May 24, 2002 Thank you, squid808, well said. Exactly my thoughts. lobotomist - that's cool, I'm studying in Cologne right now. And everybody else...We aren't the scapegoats you're looking for. Move along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadpool99 Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 You forgot to mention how jedi's were based off samuri and the force is based off chi. And the fact that darth vaders outfit is also samuri armor http://www.yojimbo.com/samurai/warriors.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklighter Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 That's cool. I suppose they had to get inspiration from somewhere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 Oh puuhh-lease.... It's just like a friend of mine: the original series are untouchable and the movies doesn't have "that touch" to 'em... -"I love you." -"I know." Not corny at all, no sir. Episode 4-6 weren't that good either, and the only acting that was really good was that of darth vader, even though his outfit looked gay. And the one about the samurai influence: only his helmet *vaguely* resembles that of the samurai's. The old corny lines between the jedi's/dark jedi's/sith were horrible, only vader could deliver them truthfully. IMHO the old movies were just as bad as the new ones, with just as bad acting. But guess what, i liked the original films, and that means i like the new ones. No they aren't exactly the old films, but corny dialogue and cheesy acting is just PART of the starwars universe, people seem to forget this. Episode 1 stunk big time, but that was because jar jar and lil ani were included in the movies. AOTC actually reminded me of starwars, with it's adventurous plot, bad acting and cheesy dialogue... And it was good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichDiesal Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 "YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARK SIDE!" Said by any other actor, most of Vader's lines would have been horribly corny sounding. God bless James Earl Jones, he was one of the major forces that made Episodes IV-VI so good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted May 24, 2002 Share Posted May 24, 2002 Originally posted by RichDiesal God bless James Earl Jones Amen to that! I couldn't really remember who did the voice for vader at the time though.... James Earl Jones just has "that" voice... Awe-inspiring. Well, I also liked Han solo, particularily his pathetic attempts at hook-up lines: "YOU NEED A GOOD KISS!!!!!" Unforgetable... Heh, funny thing is, Alec Guiness (old ben) really *hated* his role in starwars, because he thought his lines were so corny and lame: "Use teh forze Luke!!!1" Now, not all of starwars acting is bad, but most of it isn't exactly master-class... I really like Hayden Christensen's acting though: He seems to portray Anakin well (unlike Jake Lloyd) with all his cleverness, "lost innocence", built up hatred for his betters and so on. Good stuff actually. Ewan McGregor's acting wasn't bad at all either: He really seemed like a younger, more vibrant Obi-Wan from episode 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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