bigDAN456 Posted June 2, 2002 Share Posted June 2, 2002 Just wondering, because afterall he is a sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 2, 2002 Share Posted June 2, 2002 Maybe he does, who knows. Lucas likes to mirror things from the OT, and since we saw Palpy in action in the final installement of that Trilogy, it would make sense to see him in action in the final installment of this one. Also, we saw the Light Master, who had been on the sidelines before this, come out in Ep II, we might see the Dark Master come out and whup some rear in Ep III. Who really knows. Maybe he'll attack and trap Anakin, like he did Luke, and push him to the Dark Side that way. Force Anakin to battle Obi Wan in a kind of twisted version of RotJ. It kind of makes sense, since I imagine Sidious is a match for Obi and Ani at the same time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendol Posted June 3, 2002 Share Posted June 3, 2002 in rotj emperor palpy says that a light saber is a jedi weapon.. he uses lightning on luke as his weapon of choice.. i reckon it would be cool if lucas stuck with this, cos if he gives palpatine a light saber in ep3, he would be contradicting himself later in ep6... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDove Posted June 3, 2002 Share Posted June 3, 2002 Palpy will prolly be able to forcepush the bastards into a pit, or use the grip/lightning/drain/forcerage (with the forces) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 3, 2002 Share Posted June 3, 2002 Originally posted by dendol in rotj emperor palpy says that a light saber is a jedi weapon.. he uses lightning on luke as his weapon of choice.. i reckon it would be cool if lucas stuck with this, cos if he gives palpatine a light saber in ep3, he would be contradicting himself later in ep6... That moment struck me as him nodding to Luke, saying--you're a Jedi. He didn't say it with any disdain (well for Palpy), he just kind of said it. I think it would make sense. You could argue that since we never say Yoda using a lightsaber before, that we always assumed he didn't have one and only needed the Force, that Lucas was contradicting himself there too... Besides, Yoda and even Obi-Wan shows how limited Lightning is. Palpy only wins with his Lightning spamming because Luke is a silly n00b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker828 Posted June 3, 2002 Share Posted June 3, 2002 yeah, but Dooku is a silly n00b sith too. Dooku's lighting cant nearly be as powerful as Sidious's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 3, 2002 Share Posted June 3, 2002 It seems like that a Lightsaber at the very least will stop it...in any case the Sith seem very pragmatic to me, and it would be decidedly stupid to not have a powerful weapon like a lightsaber at his disposal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigDAN456 Posted June 3, 2002 Author Share Posted June 3, 2002 The clone emperor has a light saber, that's EU though..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U235 Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 "Besides, Yoda and even Obi-Wan shows how limited Lightning is. Palpy only wins with his Lightning spamming because Luke is a silly n00b " "It seems like that a Lightsaber at the very least will stop it..." we definitely saw Obi and Yoda stop Dooku's lightning, and where Obi stopped it with his saber... i definitely agrre with you on that... i'll have to watch it again to be really certain but wasnt Anakin in the scene just before that hit by the lightning even though he had his saber going??? maybe i was hallucinating. i better check that fight again.... or maybe cus he didn't have it right in front of him when the lightning struck him and thus couldn't protect him from it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 He didn't block it with his lightsaber, so he got wrecked. He might have even known how, but he was in such a rush to attack Dooku he wasn't really paying attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
immortal Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 I don't think we will see palpatine with a lightsaber. After looking through the databank at starwars.com every person that uses a saber has lighsaber under their 'weapons' category while palatine only has dark side lightning listed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 I say, not lightsaber for Palpatine, and saying that the lighting of dooku was blocked matters not. In rotj palpatines lightning spread ALL OVER Lukes body. And dooku had just a thin strean, easily blocked. Besides, palpatine if more a manipulator and conniver than a warrior. he's a behind the scenes kind of guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 4, 2002 Share Posted June 4, 2002 Yes, he's not at all a fighter. That's why he never attacked Luke in Retu--oooooh, yeah, that's right. How could I forget Also, you could be right about the difference between Dooku's lightning and Palpy's--this bears investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leagle Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 I doubt it. He is old, frail, and was not a warrior. Still powerful in a fight though -his know-how of the force is vast. The reborn one had a saber tho, but he is "young" then. I doubt he has a saber, especially the way he goads Luke: "Take your Jedi weapon..." It is obvious he doesn't want one, or need one. It is therefore doubtful he has a personal one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havoc Stryphe Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Okay, let me say this before I go on: I personally don't believe Palpatine has or uses a Lightsaber. That being said, who trained or how, if Palpatine, was Darth Maul trained so well in the art of Lightsaber combat? Count Dooku was already a Jedi Master so it was obvious that Palpatine didn't have to train him, but Maul was strictly Palpatine's apprentice from the get go. So, if Palpatine doesn't use a lightsaber or even posess one, how does he Train young Maul so well in Lightsaber combat? Let's be honest, Darth Maul was VERY well trained with the use of a lightsaber, dual bladed at that! So, how does somebody train someone else so well in something they don't do/use or have? This question has been really nagging me since Episode 1. Shouldn't Palpatine just prey on disgruntled Jedi (AKA Count Dooku)to take as apprentices so that they are already at least semi-trained in lightsaber combat. Or if they are Palpatine's apprentice from the beginning, shouldn't they be strictly the Force Choking, Force Lightning, Force Pushing Sith who uses the Force the same way his master does? Having a superb lightsaber wielder trained by someone who sems to openly detest a lightsaber and never use one seems really inconsistent and/or unbelievable. I know an awful lot about Star Wars being a fan since the age of 5 or 6 (About 20 years!) but this one inconsistency has vexed me for three years now, and no viable "Theory" seems to explain it away! Can anyone shed some light on this issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Very interesting indeed. I found Mauls history(maybe EU:rolleyes: . I have no clue) here... http://home.talkcity.com/moshpitway/mojodee/Darth/darthbio.htm Interesting stuff to read though. Dont know if its official. [EDIT] here is some other stuff about Maul's histoy. Taken from the unofficial SW encyclopedia. this Sith Dark Lord was a member of the Zabrak species, and was the apprentice of Darth Sidious, the mysterious force behind the Trade Federation's blockade of Naboo. Sidious explained to Maul that he found him as a baby on the planet Iridonia, and took him in when his parents disappeared. Note that other sources describe him as an Iridonian. Over the years, Sidious discovered that Maul's inner self was full of anger and fury, and trained the youth in the ways of the Sith. Sidious used sensory deprivation and other unusual punishments to harden Maul's anger into a solid core that grew stronger when it touched the Dark Side of the Force. Whenever Maul failed to remain alert, or showed any kind of mercy, Darth Sidious punished him severely. Maul later consrtucted his own two-bladed lightsaber much like Exar Kun did some 3,950 years earlier, although Maul's lightsaber was actually two lightsabers fused together. Each had its own separate components, allowing him to use a single blade if the weapon became damaged. Darth Maul was obvious by his heavily tattooed, horn-studded face, piercing yellow eyes, and rotting teeth. In his first true mission without his Master's help, Darth Maul was sent to Dorvalla to destroy both Lommite Limited and InterGalactic Ores, in an effort to obtain access to the lommite mines for the Trade Federation. After Hath Monchar fled the Federation in an effort to sell information on the Federation's plans to blockade Naboo, Maul tracked the Neimoidian down and executed him, cutting off any chance of the information reaching the Senate. Sidious later dispatched Maul when he learned from the Neimoidians that two Jedi Knights had been dispatched to negotiate a settlement to the blockade..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paragon_Leon Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Palpatine does not have a saber. In an interview with Empire, Ian McDiarmid even doubted he would ever get one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havoc Stryphe Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Thanks MotionMan for the background, but I already knew that much. It still doesn't give insight into how he was trained, just that he constructed his own saber. The mystery continues, hmmm..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 This is out of topic but... I never knew that Darth Maul Narated his own trailer. http://www.starwars.com/episode-i/video/tonepoem/tonepoem1.html Thats his voice. He had more lines in his trailer than in the movie:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 This is only sort of on topic, I personally believe that the way Palpatine is going to bring anakin to the dark side, is he is either going to kill Padme, or have somebody else kill her, and then he will tell anakin it was Obi-Wan.....then anakin will fight obi wan, obi will trash him good, and then.......Anakin = Darth Vader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 I doubt it. He is old, frail, and was not a warrior. Still powerful in a fight though -his know-how of the force is vast. Like Yoda, he can't use a lightsa--ooooooh, right, I forgot Havoc--I'm willing to bet Palpatine trains him, it's really that simple. No, it doesn't seem like he knows how to wield one, but then again it sure didn't seem like Yoda could. It's that simple, I think. What's more, he never really makes any suggestion that the lightsaber is such a bad weapon, he just states that it's a Jedi's weapon, much like his fathers. It's even a sign that Lukes skills are well advanced. The man said everything with a little venom in his voice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 - Palpatine (as a 20 year old clone of himself in Dark Empire) used a lightsaber that was on display in his chambers (one of several). It was a Jedi's lightsaber, and it was blue. He even made a point of saying that it was fitting that he kill Luke with a Jedi's weapon. Interestingly, Luke had a red Sith saber (you'll understand if you read the book/comic). - Yoda doesn't need a lightsaber. He used it to answer Dooku's challenge. Palpatine doesn't need one, either. - Darth Maul trained with fencing droids. Darth Sidious (Palpatine) never bothered to duel with him. Havoc, haven't you read Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter? If not, I recommend it ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norin Radd Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 Palpatine is a manipulator, not a fighter. Though I'm sure in his long study of the dark side he once used a saber, he is beyond that now. He prefers to let his apprentices do his fighting. Yoda, it was enjoyable, and admittedly a bit surprising to see him wield a saber. Also on the Star Wars main site, i notice that they list Palpatine's weapon as Force Lightning(I think someone here mentioned this earlier), so it would be safe to say he does not use a lightsaber. I know that his clone in the post ROTJ used a saber, That however, is another story entirely. Just my $0.02. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havoc Stryphe Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 Originally posted by Redwing - Darth Maul trained with fencing droids. Darth Sidious (Palpatine) never bothered to duel with him. Havoc, haven't you read Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter? If not, I recommend it ^_^ I stopped reading novels around Episode 1, I couldn't keep up anymore . So, no, I never read Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter. Maybe I'll have to pick it up sometime. Thanks Redwing. Ok, so now Maul was trained by fencing droids. So effectively speaking, Fencing droids are programmed to fence better than Jedi Masters (Qui-Gon Jinn)? If so, why not employ thousands of fencing droids to fight against the Jedi. I mean Darth Maul really knew his lightsaber combat, taking on a full fledged Jedi Master and a pretty darn good Padawan at the same time! Not bad for only dueling droids! Seems like kind of a copout, if you ask me: BOOK EDITOR: "We can't show Palpatine using a saber or dueling with Darth Maul so how do we explain Maul's Lightsaber skills?" BOOK AUTHUR: "Droids?" BOOK EDITOR: "Yeah, droids that's it! That'll work...fencing droids!" Oh well, at least it answered my question, even if it's on the lame side, thanks Redwing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 Originally posted by Havoc Stryphe BOOK EDITOR: "We can't show Palpatine using a saber or dueling with Darth Maul so how do we explain Maul's Lightsaber skills?" BOOK AUTHUR: "Droids?" BOOK EDITOR: "Yeah, droids that's it! That'll work...fencing droids!" Redwing LOL! That sums up how most of the EU universe was brought forth. Brilliant! *some of the stuff is good reading though;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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