matt-- Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Anybody been following this game? It looks great to me. [*]It's developed by the US Army. [*]It's totally FREE. [*]It uses the Unreal Warfare engine. [*]the graphics look pretty damn good. [*]Good class system. [*]Realistic weapons and scenarios. [*]Undoubtably good team play. [/list=a] I've pre-ordered my free copy, but I'll probably download soon after it goes gold. It's scheduled to go gold this summer...some say early July. I'd say July 4, but the postal service doesn't deliver on that day. =[ The above describes America's Army: Operations. Another game also coming is called Soldiers, which is basically a simulation. http://www.americasarmy.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallacy Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Quite frightening really that a government is putting military time and money into developing a game when there's a war going on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Wow...I'd heard about the game but hadn't looked into it at all, thinking it was just a propaganda effort/attempt to make money. Now that I see it's only a propaganda effort...I'm hooked It actually looks really cool!! To Fallacy... It's not frightening, it's smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KordKelly Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Originally posted by Fallacy Quite frightening really that a government is putting military time and money into developing a game when there's a war going on... Actually, the game was originally developed as a training tool for the US Army. (source : "War Without Tears" by Raphael Liberatore - CGW March 2002 US) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acdcfanbill Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 yea, i heard it was supposed to be really good, and realistic... i will probably download it once i get back to college, and broadband... im liveing in the stoneage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zindell Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Sounds pretty cool I'd love to pre-order one but alas I am from canada, an army of one (literally) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_FinnSon Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 I happen to be an European(Finnish actually), so American propaganda drives me mad. What I wish is that developers could team up together to make a FREE game of this magnitude, BUT without any catch in it. Seriously, if they can have enough money to pull this kind of project(okey, it's developed by US Army, so they probably aren't low on cash), why can't they do them without selling some kind of ideology at the same time? Good games are like movies, an art form, so they should be celebrated as such and not a way to get young gamers to join army; this only shows what kind of medium some people think computer gaming is supposed to be, but in reality they only weaken its efforts to be a serious part of cultural heritage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UberJedi727 Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 bro.. they're just games. Next are you going to tell me about how archeologists will be digging up are graves talking about the cutural significance of monopoly tokens? and by the way.. when your a affluent country as USA.. you have the 7 mill bucks to toss away on this.. believe me there is plenty more where that came from.. We have one of the most advanced and sophisticated army's in the world. Expect to see more "firsts" in terms of the methods in actions in aquiring new troops, and in all other facets of their operation. The demographic age of the gamer they are looking for is 18 to 25.. well darn.. that just about nails down a lot of gamers doesn't it? Sure beats those retro-50's visits to kids in high schools dont it? Sure beats a draft.. sure beats mandatory enlistment. I'm sorry that it intereferes with your artsy-fartsy of the way gaming works.. but this may be a news flash. Its about bucks not culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val Nathras Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 Originally posted by Lord_FinnSon I happen to be an European(Finnish actually), so American propaganda drives me mad. What I wish is that developers could team up together to make a FREE game of this magnitude, BUT without any catch in it. Seriously, if they can have enough money to pull this kind of project(okey, it's developed by US Army, so they probably aren't low on cash), why can't they do them without selling some kind of ideology at the same time? Good games are like movies, an art form, so they should be celebrated as such and not a way to get young gamers to join army; this only shows what kind of medium some people think computer gaming is supposed to be, but in reality they only weaken its efforts to be a serious part of cultural heritage. The military of any nation spends over 90% of their time playing "war games" of one form or another. At least the ones that want to be victorious do anyway. Military preparedness has absolutely nothing to do with ideology. It has everything to do with survival. How is the EU Rapid Reaction Force coming along by the way? Wargaming is a practice that has been in existence for thousands of years. As long as one group wants to take what another group has, there will always be the need for practicing war fighting techniques. Just because it is appearing on computers is no reason to start having liberal hissy fits. Read The Art of War by Sun Tzu [circa 400-320 B.C.] for enlightenment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallacy Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 and america got pissed off when they found out the terrorists were using microsoft flight simulator to fly around... Just think of what the terrorist networks will be able to do now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 and america got pissed off when they found out the terrorists were using microsoft flight simulator to fly around... Just think of what the terrorist networks will be able to do now. Very interesting point. The game essentially offers a run down of American weapons and tactics, a powerful tool for someone opposing it. It makes a good deal of sense to me for America to be distributing. First of all they automatically get most of the games out to the people they want to be immersed in American Military propaganda--teenaged boys. So the kids play the game and develop a rudimentary understanding of tactics and how to do complicated things in the Military, so when we go to war, a good chunk their conscription base has some essentially innate knowledge. What's more I'm sure more than a few people will play the game and get interested in war, and really doing some of these things, and might think 'hey, I can!!' To Lord FinnSon, just because the game serves a certain purpose doesn't mean it's going to be a worse game. Who cares if they want to reel you into the American Military (like that's going to happen to you ), just take advantage of the fact that there's another good game out there (or maybe another crappy game--let's hope not). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iguelmay Posted June 5, 2002 Share Posted June 5, 2002 The game America's Army is being developed in the hopes of recruiting more people into the army. But on the side, it doesn't look too shabby.... plus its free... so i think i'll give it a whirl. On the topic of tactics.... if the game is (quote-unquote) "realistic" enough, it is possible that players will think up new and more innovative tactics. besides, if the game is fun AND free, what the heck is there to complain about? If your not american (i'm not) play it as a game, not as a propoganda tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demangel Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 The game looks good. And to everyone who is ticked off about the game being a propaganda game or not. If you play just about ANY game of that genre it has propaganda elements in it. They are unavoidable. Look at MOHAA, Microsoft combat flight simulator, the l;ist goes on and on. These games are fun, often artistic, and entertaining. People really need to wake up and stop taking so many issues as seriously as they do when the ones that truly need attention get ignored. (in whiney mom voice) "Oooh too much violence on TV so kids are killing eachother in schools... " That is complete BS... Most poarents simply refuse to accept the responsability for raising a ****ed up kid... In 50 years if we follow the current trend, every surface in our homes will be coated with rubber, and every other word will be censored... I agree that video games are art, But art often reflects life... Nuff said... I hope AA rocks, I signed up for it, Hoah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zindell Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 Originally posted by UberJedi727 bro.. they're just games. Next are you going to tell me about how archeologists will be digging up are graves talking about the cutural significance of monopoly tokens? and by the way.. when your a affluent country as USA.. you have the 7 mill bucks to toss away on this.. believe me there is plenty more where that came from.. We have one of the most advanced and sophisticated army's in the world. Expect to see more "firsts" in terms of the methods in actions in aquiring new troops, and in all other facets of their operation. The demographic age of the gamer they are looking for is 18 to 25.. well darn.. that just about nails down a lot of gamers doesn't it? Sure beats those retro-50's visits to kids in high schools dont it? Sure beats a draft.. sure beats mandatory enlistment. I'm sorry that it intereferes with your artsy-fartsy of the way gaming works.. but this may be a news flash. Its about bucks not culture. haha no respect for other countries but your own, there's another thing comman in some american people. Just remember that at some point your distant relatives were european before you slander countries other than yours. We all know that the americans have a large army and lots of money, no need to rub that in our faces by the way what dso you make a year mister rich and popular. When can people just respect people for their opinion and not rebut with comments like that. I agree that it will do well to recruit young men for the army but i'm also quite sure it spouts a bit of propaganda. I'm sure i'm due for a flaming and It's iminent after this post but respect someone for the individual, don'T hide behnd your country. A man makes himself , not his country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt-- Posted June 6, 2002 Author Share Posted June 6, 2002 Originally posted by Zindell at some point your distant relatives were european before you slander countries other than yours. Yes, but not necessarily. Originally posted by Zindell We all know that the americans have a large army and lots of money Actually, we have a relatively small army...well, I'd say nice sized. Remember, our army is voluntary. We have a career military. Originally posted by Zindell no need to rub that in our faces by the way what dso you make a year I'm sorry...'dso'? Originally posted by Zindell I'm sure i'm due for a flaming and It's iminent after this post but respect someone for the individual Nope,just a friendly rebutal Originally posted by Zindell A man makes himself , not his country. You're right...It takes thousands of men and women to make a country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 haha no respect for other countries but your own, there's another thing comman in some american people. It's also a trait shared by essentially every other country in the world. Back off (this is from a Canadian, living amongst the savages ). I agree that it will do well to recruit young men for the army but i'm also quite sure it spouts a bit of propaganda. It should spout a lot of propaganda...that's how it would attract young men... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt-- Posted June 6, 2002 Author Share Posted June 6, 2002 Originally posted by Vestril It's also a trait shared by essentially every other country in the world. Back off (this is from a Canadian, living amongst the savages ). Nationalism strikes again! Seriously though, you have to give us one thing. The US is a trend setter. I wouldn't be suprised to see over countries developing games in the future. The more the merrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redstorm Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 Cool...... Does this mean you get to brass up your own troops, drop bombs on them, spray them with nasty chemicals, and come up with really great ideas like MAD (Mutually Assured Distruction). The best American military know how I've come across is actually having to put a label on the back of Claymore Mines "DO NOT EAT" to stop grunts(infantry) eating the C4 and getting high on it. I wonder if it will introduce proper "realism" not game "realism" so you have to sit in front of you computer not moving a muscle for 15hours until somebody walks into your ambush. I can see it now a message board like this one with someone saying "But Daisy cutters are too powerful I hope the next patch tones them down" "See the world, meet new people, eat their food, see their sights, learn their language and then shoot the s*** out of them" BTW I don't mind America, I just sometimes can't stand Americans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyOneCanoli Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 BTW I don't mind America, I just sometimes can't stand Americans Every country has its fair share of lamers. I sometimes can't stand Europeans, Asians, Mexicans, Canadians, and Americans. It's the person, not the nationality that contributes to a person's behavior. Anyway, I'm really pumped for this game. It sure has potential. I think the $7 million budget is quite large... but when you compare it to the Army's budget for the "Army of One" campaign, I'm sure it's a negligible amount. We could make a video game or two missiles, hehe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Rommel Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 Hmm... I don't really have the patience for the so-called "realistic" shooters (ie; rainbow 6). I always die in seconds. I'm more of a "run into the room, with guns blazing" kind of guy... it doesn't seem to work too well. Besides, I doubt it will run on my computer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zindell Posted June 6, 2002 Share Posted June 6, 2002 Actually, we have a relatively small army...well, I'd say nice sized. Remember, our army is voluntary. We have a career military. Me coming from Canada, your army is large. Anyways, I just hate the my country is bigger, richer than yours so that makes me a better person speech. It should spout a lot of propaganda...that's how it would attract young men... Yes propaganda gets people to join the army but it's still propaganda. I was just agreeing with what the person before me had said. It's also a trait shared by essentially every other country in the world. Back off (this is from a Canadian, living amongst the savages ). True, sometimes I forget we live in a world shrouded with ignorance. It doesn't matter where your from over 85 percent of the population are ignorant, inferior lifeforms. I'm just sick of all the slander on these forums, when such better conversations can be had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi-Doo Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 Propaganda! Plus, the worst beings on this world is soilders. After all they kill ppl. War stinks! Bet Bushs plans is world domination. One by one, hes gonna accuse a country for terrorism, and then bomb it 2 the ground. In 1812, Canada KICKED usa. In the same year, the white house burned, hehe. Usas worst criminal is that cowboy Bush. Just think of how many he have killed. What was the point of Hiroyshima? It was only a mass murder of civillians. Ty for listening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCanr2d2 Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 There is plenty of propaganda from all countries..... As for the US Army, they were shown to not know how to fight in the jungles by the Viet Kong in Vietnam, that pure numbers doesn't mean supremacy. Personally the current structure of the US army is NOT to bring in ground troops, and just try to carpet bomb at first - very hesitant about putting people on the line... Also too much reliance upon technology, and no doubt would find it hard to combat situations that the technology would render them useless. A situation where no one wants you there, Somalia comes to mind, where some of the basis for Black Hawk Down comes from, although nothing really like what it was there.... I also agree that in general the USA is fine, but it is the people in it who are the problem, too much inward looking people. Under educated, or not taught about the rest of the world outside their borders. No doubt there would be few Americans to name the first person to find the continental North America........ At least this is my perception from those I have run across on here, and in person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 I also agree that in general the USA is fine, but it is the people in it who are the problem, too much inward looking people. Under educated, or not taught about the rest of the world outside their borders. No doubt there would be few Americans to name the first person to find the continental North America........ It's really a matter of prioritization, Americans don't put any sort of emphasis on history or historical backgrounds unless they plan on becoming historians. The country is so specialized--it's hard to find someone who knows a good deal about a broad variety of things, and if you can they are probably an educator, and that's their specialty. I can't comment as to how good or bad this is--it makes a certain amount of sense...have the educators know a good deal about many things, so they can selectively educate people based on their future and be primed for the job they're going into, kind of like a machine, but there is much to be said for having a broad understanding of a variety of subjects, especially when you consider how linked many of them are. It seems to be working for them, is all I'll say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCanr2d2 Posted June 9, 2002 Share Posted June 9, 2002 From my perspective, it seems as if there is too much importance on learning what is American, and the American way, about the civil war. I don't just mean about historical aspects of things, I mean in general that Americans are more likely to be gullible enough to believe us Aussies have Kangaroos for pets and transport than any other nation in the world... They fail to understand the basic understanding of most other countries. That they are more lilkely to believe Milk and eggs come from the supermarket and not an animal... There are a lot bigger and wider issues in the world than to look at those and use them as the basis of education. No doubt in WW2 historical discussions, the US would empahsise the Pacific theatre of war, and largely ignore the wider European theatre.... I could go on for ages about things that I see showing the introverted, inward looking nature that has been bred into many Americans. Then that would turn into a flame war, and that is not what I am after. I think that if you are American that you will be surprised to see that you actually have a negative image in most parts of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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