Devil Doll Posted June 14, 2002 Share Posted June 14, 2002 Well, I had a lot of time since I start a thread, but in this time I´m asking to all of you for a very very special favor: I´m trying to do a special investigation about all the teenagers with psicological problems, to be more specific, I´m trying to investigate about all those famous guys that kill their classmates cause they have a "stupid moment"(I dunno how can I say the word i wanna say in english) like the ones in chicago or things like that. I need to know their psicological analisis, what they do, if ther have something strange and things like that, and the problem is that when i´m looking at the internet I can´t find anything good, i only have enough information of the one that is most "pupular" here in mexico, but i need a little bit more information of the US or any country tennage-assassins , so, if one of you can say me a web page i can visit with information, I will be very glad. please if someone can say me about that, a web page or a personal investigation, please send it to me to tuchango@hotmail.com or black_lady1@hotmail.com, if someone can helo me, you will help to the people that suffer the consequences of that stupid people, the victims and the people that is judged cause it looks like the assassins. Thank you for read this, your friend Devil Doll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted June 14, 2002 Share Posted June 14, 2002 Columbine-ish stuff, you mean? Well I don't know of any websites on that...but I can look...once I get a chance stupid finals >.< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr. Cracken Posted June 14, 2002 Share Posted June 14, 2002 From what i gathered, the kids that go crazy and kill thier classmates is because of several reasons. 1)mental instability. this could be from a number a factors. abuse from peers, parental abuse. possibly mostly verbal, though peer abuse seems to be both verbal and physical. 2)Neglect. this can be from both peers and parents, but mostly the latter. Parental neglect can be a factor, since killing someone is a big attention getter 3)Revenge. Remember the bullies of your childhood? those guys or gals that would NOT STOP PICKING ON YOU!? well, there ya go. kill the, and you never EVER have to deal with thier crap ever again. many times, the more un-popular sect of kids in shcool get picked on the most, and because of this, the general populace then starts to think that these kids can be an outlet for agression, or it's okay to kick these kids to the curb and laugh. however, this has severe adverse psycological affects. Schizophrenia, at least in my case. Bi-polar, depression, thoughts of suicide and most of all, a burning hatred for everyone around you. That is the main causes for kids going up and killing others in thier schools, then themselves. it's not because they were crazy to being with, it's the experiences they had MADE them unbalanced, and they don't or can't deal with it, and just go beserk. I know, because i almost did. Some perspective on the inside for ya. Cracken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith 8 Posted June 14, 2002 Share Posted June 14, 2002 well... Im gonna be very honest with you guys. I ahd my moments I would like to do just the same. I have been picked on so many times. by people who call them my friends. I hated them. Nad at home i got constant whining about all sorts of thins. Believe me that at sertain moments you just snap. you just go beserk. i realy wanted to kill some of them. no joke. but then i found this game that let me get my agression way down. CarmaGeddon it realy helped me go threw some rough time. and you know what also helps? go to your garage or a place where no one realy hears you.. and scream like hell. just scream your lungs out. you have no idea how much that helps. The count to 10 thing doesnt help at all. i worked at this supermarket for a while and out back we had this huge containers for goods.. well they lloked old and eaten away by time. it feels realy good to kick them realy hard. just to let your agression go. everybody sais those kids were crazy maniacs. but i think a lot of them werent. they were just pushed to far. just one drop to many. And i think i know what they feel once they opend fire. im not encouraging this ofcourse.. all im saying i understand. i think it is a great fault of the class mates you were with. i think nobody should go so far onto people just to feel cool. i became a lot tougher after my years in school. im still in school tho but.. you know what i mean. -Wraith 8- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle d'Tana Posted June 14, 2002 Share Posted June 14, 2002 ahh, thats a bit special! but ah, i think a bit same as araith, and i think i havent to post more and more. ok stay well, and dont take spam too serious. It helps!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talldudeX Posted June 14, 2002 Share Posted June 14, 2002 Do not consider this an echo, because I only read the first post. My theory: As good of a life as some people may have, they could just be depressed and nothing good would mean anything to them, so they crack and go psycho on everybody. Then there are people that just want to fit in but can't, and want to be noticed, so the only way they can get attention is by doing....well, some pretty bad things. Or someone could just be tramatized from something at school and wants everyone to leave him alone about it, so disaster strikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Doll Posted June 15, 2002 Author Share Posted June 15, 2002 Wel,, thanks for all your opinions, craken´s will be very useful for my investigation, i will do some investigation; the principal, about the phsicological analisis of the teenagers, the second one, about the people that is judged cause it looks like the murderers( in mexico´s case, or monterrey(were i live) to be more specific, all the dark, goth and metal music lover are jugded cause of nothing(including DSS and me) all the people hate us only cause we use black clothes or hear what is called underground music, even the police think we are assassins only cause we´re walking on the street, and we use the same therapy like wraith, and some of the others use that bad therapy, so i decide to write those investigations and give them to the local news, my mother and DSS will help me, my mother in the first investigation and DSS in the second one, but i don´t wanna talk only about mexican people, I was trying to know about the news of that kind of people in different countries, that´s the reason i ask you if you can help, me, i will be writing and i say thanks for you opinions. Thank you Devil Doll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr. Cracken Posted June 15, 2002 Share Posted June 15, 2002 Glad i could be a service Devil. and FYI, I'm Asian in America. in a prominently white area. guess how much fin I had as a kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted June 15, 2002 Share Posted June 15, 2002 Cali rocks. Lots of different races, minute racism (and generally only the obvious @$$holes are racist) in the schools. (Now too bad about the homophobia problem...) @DD: There's quite a few people like that who go to my school. In my experience, they're very kewl people generally, just like all of us. ^_^ (And I know that you and DSS are cool ) I wasn't introduced to society until I entered high school, so I missed out on quite a bit of stuff that you guys might have had to go through... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilleApplePie Posted June 16, 2002 Share Posted June 16, 2002 I just felt the need to say that pointing fingers at the goth kids is often a big mistake. Alot of the kids who go psycho are very normal looking. For me I was too afraid to express myself with clothing or make up or anything like that. I often seethed in silence and that's just it. Most gothic people *are* expressing themselves. They have some outlet. It's the normal looking kids...no way to express themselves...and often when they try they get even more crap. So all they can do is try to fade into the background. That leaves alot of time for *thinking* and thinking about your misery leads to hatred. I was close to the point of snapping when I got kicked out of school for missing too many days. I was getting awfully bold towards the end. Heh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Sad Shadow Posted June 17, 2002 Share Posted June 17, 2002 mmmmmmmmm well.... here are some interesting POVS here, ok, guys you know me since a long time ago, as SadGhost, you know how i am, and how i was... really, like DD said, where we live (Monterrey) there is a BIG PROBLEM, and again like she said (ill speak in my case) i love the Metal style of music, the Goth kind.. etc etc etc... (i like more the Power Metal ) The big people (aka: teachers, some parents, authorities) has classified us, the Underground music fans, as some devil kind of people, ill give you an example: one of my friends love the band Cradle of Filth, and he have their T-shirts, well the fact is, he was going to the mart to buy CDs, and the COPS took him under arrest ONLY BECAUSE HE WAS DRESSING A CRADLE T-SHIRT!!!! i know that band have some vampiric tendencies in their songs! but come on!!! only because Danny Filth (vocalyst) dresses like a vampire (personal pov) and in the shirt was an image? That is really a very closed minded society!!! of course he fast called a Lawyer and he won the case. That is the perfect example. DD: ... to be more specific, all the dark, goth and metal music lover are jugded cause of nothing(including DSS and me) all the people hate us only cause we use black clothes or hear what is called underground music, even the police think we are assassins only cause we´re walking on the street... that is a very good point, ok guys, you have seen our pics, you know how we dress, and so what? we are people! still we have some different points of view like all the people. Now the question here is: Why judge the people by the appearances? Here in Monterrey a very hard and mentionated case of murder was the one of Julio Castrillon, he killed his friend (i dunno his real reason), now, he is a fan of the Underground music, because of that the police think that all of us who love that kind of music are killers! Now here there is a hunting of witches all the people who desses in black are being hunted to "clean" the evil in the streets. That really sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Doll Posted June 17, 2002 Author Share Posted June 17, 2002 Originally posted by Dark Sad Shadow Here in Monterrey a very hard and mentionated case of murder was the one of Julio Castrillon, he killed his friend (i dunno his real reason), now, he is a fan of the Underground music... well, I have to sai DSS was wrong in this case, This guy only hear music like systemof a down, linkin park, Marilyn manson and all that stuff you can hear in MTV, the real underground music is being judged cause marilyn manson act like he acts only for money, he said in a MTV report that he only sings his songs for money, and if some one do what that songs said, he (MM) can tell the phone number of a specialist to call and get a life, he was so intelligent saying that, and all those stupid guys hear his music and think it is a kind of live and feelings, not only a song... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilleApplePie Posted June 17, 2002 Share Posted June 17, 2002 That's very true, DD. But what many people don't realize is that music is also a form of release. For me listening to angry music gets the anger out. It feels good. It doesn't make me want to do bad things, it helps me to not do them. More people need to realize it's not the music or the clothes it's the people and what the people around them are doing. Some kid could listen to christian music and go to church and wear crosses and still go psycho because for years and years he was made fun of and beaten up and so on. *sighs* Society in general is bull...and pardon me for thinking so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted June 17, 2002 Share Posted June 17, 2002 Originally posted by Dark Sad Shadow Now the question here is: Why judge the people by the appearances? I'd like to know myself. Being a Christian, I don't believe in that; there's even a Bible verse that says that man judges by outward appearances, but GOD looks at the heart...in other words God doesn't care how you look, so neither should people who follow Him...but so many people do the things you talked about in the name of religion...as if God hates you because of the way you dress! Man...no wonder so many people think Christians are @$$holes I agree with EAP...there's tons of murders all the time done by perfectly "normal" people, and no one talks about them...they just publicize the ones done by the people who dress different, listen to music they don't like, or play violent games...it's really pathetic...it's just hate... I think alot of the attitude towards Goth people is definitely society's fault. I can give a good example, too. Remember, DSS, when a certain forum member first came to the forums? He thought we'd have the mindset of the society he apparently lived in. You posted something Goth-related...and the member's reaction was to say something like "keep that Goth crap to the graveyards, yo?" But once he figured out that everyone else didn't hold his opinions, he reversed his opinion and embraced the "Goth crap" he was complaining about earlier. I think if mainstream society decided to open their minds and accept Gothic culture, the majority of people would follow along as well. Like the unnamed forum member here. It's society's nature...but the problem is getting there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr. Cracken Posted June 18, 2002 Share Posted June 18, 2002 By nature, looks are what we initially judge people by. Whether you realize it or not, most of it's sub-concious, you make 10-15 judgments on a person from the INITAL appearence of that person. it's psycological. you can't beat it. the best thing you can do i try to keep an open mind. That's why people are so wary of different looking people,. and they shun those who are different. The great chinese migration during the late 1800's to the early 1900's. There was alot of anti-asian sediments simply beacuse WE LOOKED DIFFERENT. And it still happens. not as open, or as loud, but it's there. and since we live in that kinda society, a society that bases opinions on looks, it's hard to change it. really hard, since it's all psycologically ingrained in our heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Sad Shadow Posted June 18, 2002 Share Posted June 18, 2002 Okay, we are getting here a little religious theme Redwing: I'd like to know myself. Being a Christian, I don't believe in that; there's even a Bible verse that says that man judges by outward appearances, but GOD looks at the heart...in other words God doesn't care how you look, so neither should people who follow Him...but so many people do the things you talked about in the name of religion...as if God hates you because of the way you dress! Man...no wonder so many people think Christians are @$$holes well... speaking a little of GOD, well im Catolic (cause my parents original religion) but ill be honest with you, I dunno if a "GOD" exist, perhaps someone powerfull gave us life whatever... ill respect others religions but that is my faith, someone stronger gave us life, faith, and all... call it God, Buda, etc.... now back to the topic: EAP: Some kid could listen to christian music and go to church and wear crosses and still go psycho because for years and years he was made fun of and beaten up and so on. *sighs* Society in general is bull...and pardon me for thinking so. first: here your POV is very true and is very valid, if a kid being a good child, doing whatever his parents tell him its okay, but now, imagine how is his mind if some jerks are disturbing him telling bad things about his person, and im not by his side, but im analyzing the things like EAP, its true that if the mind isnt free there be a lot of toughts inside and he must give the freedom to the things, perhaps the murder thinks that killing people can release him. EAP: For me listening to angry music gets the anger out. It feels good. It doesn't make me want to do bad things, it helps me to not do them. More people need to realize it's not the music or the clothes it's the people and what the people around them are doing. i know what do you mean, for example if im feeling very depressed the first thing i do is listening Sonata Arctica or Rhapsody (Rhapsody because they sing a Medieval Tale in 4 discs ) and i can turn on my mind and begin imaginating the tales. When i want (yes sometimes i need to turn down myself) lately im listening Sopor Aeternus, a Goth Depressive singer, with songs that are hard to listen by the lyrics, but now, i KNOW its a song!! and it has nothing to do with my life. its good to see that here all are reading the povs of all the rogues, that speak good of all we truly are friends. We can see that al lare open minded. red: Remember, DSS, when a certain forum member first came to the forums? He thought we'd have the mindset of the society he apparently lived in. You posted something Goth-related...and the member's reaction was to say something like "keep that Goth crap to the graveyards, yo?" But once he figured out that everyone else didn't hold his opinions, he reversed his opinion and embraced the "Goth crap" he was complaining about earlier. I think if mainstream society decided to open their minds and accept Gothic culture, the majority of people would follow along as well. How i can forget that :D but its not only the Goth Culture, its the entire society Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith 8 Posted June 18, 2002 Share Posted June 18, 2002 well .. this is gonna sound lame to you guys maybe but. I watch a lot of movies... and i think in a lot of them some food advice is given. but one remark has always sticked with me: People are afraid of what is different. And they will defend their way of life if they THINK it gets in their way and it is ablsolutely right. I dont get mad anymore btw. i have had some lucks in the past couple of years. so... my angers has settled down mostly.. plus i cant play carmageddon because my comp is freaked up -Wraith 8- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted June 18, 2002 Share Posted June 18, 2002 Originally posted by Cmdr. Cracken and since we live in that kinda society, a society that bases opinions on looks, it's hard to change it. really hard, since it's all psycologically ingrained in our heads. I got lucky, I guess. I was introduced to society, basically, at just before high school...so I can say I had very few prejudices ingrained themselves into me...my dad was racist, sexist, homophobic, the whole package...but he kept it to himself when I was young, since he didn't want my mom to know. I guess I'm prejudiced against prejudiced people... @DSS: I didn't understand your last sentence... Yay...I'm tired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle d'Tana Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 Man...no wonder so many people think Christians are @$$holes I AM christian!!!! Am I an A$$hole too?????? :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Sad Shadow Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 mmm. he told that the most of people think that... dont take it personally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 In case you didn't understand me...I am a Christian...I was just saying that alot of people think that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilleApplePie Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 Alot of Christians are &$#%*^$%&$#^&^%^%a&$%^%$ (can you tell I don't like 'em?) but then again I was raised in the bible belt...you haven't met a christian until you've met one from North Carolina. *pats redwing* You're pretty cool though, so you weren't included in those very nasty words. ^_~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith 8 Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 I am christian too.. and you never evcer in your whole life you have seen christians untill you see them in a town called Nijkerk. oh and 'kerk' stands for church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 @EAP: Yay! @Wraithy: Wait..."Ni Church"...does that mean it is the church of the Ministers who say "NI!" ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith 8 Posted June 19, 2002 Share Posted June 19, 2002 Nij Kerk = New church Nij is a sort of dialect in that part of the nether lands.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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