Kryllith Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 Grin, yeah I wasn't worried about the technology used in regards to Shmi, just wanted to offer up a few possibilities in regards to the "a long time ago" discussion. I'm gathering that the "long time ago" is from our perspectives, so the characters in the movie couldn't be from our future. That's the point I was focusing on. Kryllith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryllith Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 Originally posted by mez1109 The theory that Shmi was not from that planet, must be true, as she has no other family there, neither would she survive in that hell hole and have a child. Unless, of course, she was born into slavery on the planet. Kryllith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 A vergance is the Force working its Will in the physical universe. Anakin's entire life was one long vergance created by the Force with the intention of bringing an end to the Sith and restoring balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natwa whitta Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 Originally posted by MotionMan I mean SW takes place in the future. You think they dont have any drugs or methods that they could put you to sleep through the process or make you forget a period of time? WRONG. it takes place " along time AGO, in a galaxy far, far away......." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 You should probably read the entire thread before you reply to a message in the middle. not only has someone already pointed that out, but we've had a discussion on whether or not it's a long time ago or futuristic....i'd go into the details but i'm too stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natwa whitta Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 Originally posted by ET Warrior ....i'd go into the details but i'm too stupid. hey, you said it for me. lighten up a little, bub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 You know, this name thing is going to give me a coronary....Now people are calling me Bub... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natwa whitta Posted July 4, 2002 Share Posted July 4, 2002 I was just stating the obvious, not to start an argument. that's the one thing about sw fans....they will argue to the death about little things. count me in!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kaan Posted July 6, 2002 Share Posted July 6, 2002 Some of you are reading way to far into this and have an overactive need to explain everything in ways different than the movies make clear. EP1 made is very clear that Anakin was concieved by midichlorians and hence why he is "The chosen one" the prophecies speak of. I can't wait for episode 3 to come out. Kaan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryllith Posted July 6, 2002 Share Posted July 6, 2002 Episode I made it very clear that Qui-Gon BELIEVES that Anakin was conceived by the midichlorians and is thus the Chosen One. The hard data hasn't been present yet, though I'm inclined to believe Shmi. Therein lies the crux. Ah well, hopefully Episode III will reveal all. Kryllith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mez1109 Posted July 8, 2002 Author Share Posted July 8, 2002 I have bad news and bad news. Brace yourself....... ......I am....BACK after hours of playing Neverwinter Nights, and I am going to post things that make people be piss*d off. OK, finishin introductions, most people agree with Qui Gon's comment that the midichlorians created him, but that is Qui Gon's point of view (a pointed out before). Midichlorians are NOT alive, they are part of a person, just like a persons soul or spirit, that is probably why Jedis become part of the universe/force. To the Galaxy Far Far Away... point, it never mensions far away from WHERE, from our galaxy, or from the centre of the Universe. No matter about how far away the galaxy is, with light speed they can travel to other galaxies easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted July 8, 2002 Share Posted July 8, 2002 Originally posted by mez1109 Midichlorians are NOT alive, they are part of a person, just like a persons soul or spirit, that is probably why Jedis become part of the universe/force. Actually......... Anakin: "Master sir, i heard master Yoda talking about Midichlorians, and i've been wondering.....what are midichlorians?" QuiGon: "They are microscopic life-forms that reside within all living cells" And thusly Midichlorians ARE alive.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[RAA]-=Chi3f=- Posted July 8, 2002 Share Posted July 8, 2002 Originally posted by Old_Ben Actually Star Wars is in the past. Like it says at the begining of the movie a long time ago in a galaxy far far away. Yeah right where does it say that? Oh nevermind... ROFL This thread will get you flamed, sorry. Anakin is Hey-zoos. Yeah right. I give you an 8 out of 10 for creativity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mez1109 Posted July 10, 2002 Author Share Posted July 10, 2002 This is silly. What was George smoking or sniffing? The FORCE is ALIVE. Not even Borg Nano-probs are alive. OH come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 Well first of all, comparing Star Wars to Star Trek is Sacrilege in my book, and is a horrible horrible thing to do. Secondly, the FORCE is not alive, midichlorians, which allow jedi to use the force are alive. There is a difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leXX Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 O.K, I'm gonna get deep now! People have been trying for many years to discover what "black matter" is, you know, what binds the universe together, the blackness! There are many many theories about this and some believe it could be extremely microscopic creatures (I'm talking thousands of times smaller than atoms) such as plankton is found in the oceans. This could explain 6th sence and how some people are connected to others etc. Of course this is just a theory and I think GL has taken this theory and used it for his "force" explanation because sooo many SW fans wanted to know what the force was. The thing to do is not to take it all too seriously. Yes it is a bit far fetched but hey, anything is possible! (a butterfly can flap it's wings in England and it could result in a tornado in Texas, {ciaos theory}). We just don't know what is really out there so keep an open mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 The Force is alive, as far as I'm concerned. It's a divinity; it has a Will, a plan for the universe, will implies sentience, which means life. It works in the universe through giving instructions to Jedi and through vergances in which it actually effects the physical world (like Anakin's conception). Here's my theory on the Force as related by a character in one of my fan fictions: "...You see, it usually takes what we call a 'super aura' for one to be as sensitive to the Force as it takes to become a Jedi. An aura is someone's presence in the Force, most people have only what was portioned to them and are... dim, isolated, unable to reach out with the Force. If they can hear the Force, it is as little more than a quiet voice pointing them in the right direction; a conscience. "But Jedi have an increased amount of midi-chlorians, as you know. These midi-chlorians, being living things, generate the Force. And being so integrated with our bodies, their auras merge with ours creating a super aura. But that is only the first step in a Jedi's potential power, for just as our aura and the auras of the midi-chlorians merge, we can expand our aura to include... whole worlds! From there, a Jedi can do virtually anything, if only he believes he can do it. But conforming the mind to accept that you can do things that seem impossible--that is the real struggle we face." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 I personally believe the force to be alive, but i was simply pointing out to Mez as he thought twas silly that it's not necissarily alive. The force itself could be a non-living entity, but i think that it must be alive as it has it's own will that carries out in the universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leXX Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 The most we can expect to be able to use the force is our instinct. I always say, trust your first instinct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgentSmith Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 Hey that was a great story Jedi-Monk! You're good! Seriuosly. As people said the midi-chlorians are microscopic organisms so they are in fact alive, through a symbiosis with their host they 'tell' their host the will of the Force. It is very possible the Force is a mystical phenomenon or simply something not even the SW technology and research has fully discovered or understood. (Mystical sounds nicer to me right now. ) As to whom is Anakin's father? Perhaps the Force itsself, perhaps Palpatine, perhaps an unknown average Joe ... we might know in Ep III. If we don't, it's just a nice mystery to ponder on. And mez, if SW would take place in another galaxy, or far from the center of the glaxy (A bit hypocritical to think we're at the center of the galaxy, fyi we aren't! ) it would take a very long time to travel there at the speed of light. Hundreds or even thousands of years!!! Current science believes that travelling at lightspeed or faster is impossible. The reason in SW they travel so fast (in a way similar to ST) is that they travel 'faster' than light. (Through hyperspace.) And humanity still knows so little of space, spacetravel, lightspeed, all those concepts ... who knows what we still might discover that will rebuttal and prove worng all current beliefs and theories? (E.g. in the middle ages people just 'knew' the earth was flat ... just like we just 'know' faster than light travel is impossible and E=MC²) Interesting the future might be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mez1109 Posted July 11, 2002 Author Share Posted July 11, 2002 I still think GL should have just not explained the force in the form of midichlorians, and put it in the sense of the spiritual force or will of the person that gives them this strength. But the midichlorians theory some - how explains why Sith excist. As the midichlorians theory makes the Sith think that he is better then others (which they are), and as they have been chosen to have midichlorians in their body, they should be the rulers of the Universe, and all other species to be sheep. What the sith sometimes fail to relise, is that they are NOT immortel and perfect in every way. Still the midichlorians idea, the WAY it was EXPLAINED by Anakin's mother, makes him seem like Jesus or a Messiah. I hope GL in SW3 explains that Anakin had a father. If the midichlorians created Anakin, why created such a evil being, that nearly destroys everything (I know he puts the force in balance in the end), they might as well have put Luke in Anakin's place at first. THE FORCE WORKS IN MISTERIOUS WAYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryllith Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 I'm still of the mind that he was created to destroy Jedi and throw the shifts away from the light side to create the balance. Everyone seems to think that killing the emporer is the key to balancing the Force. Seems to me if you're going to have balance then you need both the positive AND the negative... Kryllith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mez1109 Posted July 12, 2002 Author Share Posted July 12, 2002 Kryllith your right. There is not much balance when killing the emperor, and viping out all sith. I don't blame the sith, as everybody is trying to kill them. As they are banished by the Jedi council they try to make their own head of power so that they don't have to hide all the time. The only reason the Sith have power within the Empire, is that most of the Empire themselves are corrupt. When in EP1 Naboo was attacked none of the united planet reperesentatives cared much, they only think of number 1, themselves. Sith are still Evil, and Jedis are Good, but with most of the Galaxy being in-habitated with non-Jedis, and people who believe in peace and the right way of doing things, there is no point. If the Empire is so good, how come slaves still excist. Personnaly, there was not much difference between the Empire and the Imperial power, only that the Imperial power tries to destroy anyone who is not on their side. Hey welcome to the real world, not the happy Barny the Pink Dinasour's world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 Barney is purple....... And the empire and imperials are the same thing....if by Empire you mean Republic, then slaves still exist because the republic cannot reach every planet at once. In episode 1 Padme: "I can't believe there's still slavery in some parts of the galaxy, the republics anti-slavery laws. Shmi: "The republic doesn't exist out here." So the republic IS against slavery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotionMan Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 Originally posted by mez1109 If the midichlorians created Anakin, why created such a evil being, that nearly destroys everything (I know he puts the force in balance in the end), they might as well have put Luke in Anakin's place at first. Anakin is not evil by nature. He is turned to the dark side by certain things. Like his mother dying, Palpatines guidence and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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