TOTALLY innapropriate, KMan

[Darth Exar Kun]

Originally posted by Emon

It looks to me like people want to remove KMan's moderator status because he is doing his job as a moderator and enforcing rules...

no no no no no i want to remove him because he doesn't properly enforce the rules he expcts normal people to bow down to him and other modelers with in-human talent

[editormg]

No numbers, no power.

Power misused against community = no community(either that or a real crappy one)

 

If any of you remember the JKO days, you saw the evolution of editing. It evolved. Now it should be very simple to understand that if ideas are silenced on the basis of the "who you know", because someone is a newbie, or b/c Kman thinks your idea sucks then editing will go nowhere.

 

Because advancements in coding/modelling are made by individuals, not by any one person.

 

The modeling/skinning arena should not be confined to a few individuals who have had major successes. These people should educate noobs to further the cause. Now i understand the more experienced modelers(and I'm not one of them, but i can figure stuff out over time) have lives apart from doing this stuff. Regular jobs. Kids and such. But to not share info gets us nowhere. There is 1 tutorial and thats it. Spacemonkey's. It has holes, people have questions. Unless of course you can point out more for all the new guys here? Maybe you wouldn't have so many fake posts?

 

Now the other day i posted an Indiana Jones thread which was closed after like 2 or three posts. I simply asked for reference pics hoping to turn them into a model in Max, thus posting pics. I was closed, pissed on whatever, whathaveyou.

 

Yes favoritism is a part of life. But to think you're better than this person or that b/c your model or skin(whatever the case)had 15,000 downloads, and to sit around and basking in the glory playing favorites and dictating what should be modeled and what should not is just sad.

Share your knowledge jeez.

 

As for closed threads. Thats all I've seen for the last week. Nuthin but little locks on threads that actually could go somewhere. Some are done for good reason. But ya know the deal...

 

1. This is the MODELING FORUM. Threads not related to modeling to NOT belong in the MODELING FORUM. They belong in forums of the correct categories.

 

Maybe you should rethink naming the forum if the Palpatine Dictatorship Principle is going to be involved.

Discussion of Kman's favoritism directly affects this community. Thus it is entirely valid.

 

Modeling

Discuss everything and anything related to the world of JKII Modeling

 

Modeling

Discuss everything and anything related to the world of JKII

Modeling... ....IF it passes KMan's ego test.

 

3. Free speach on internet forums? Where does it say that public forums must allow people to have free speach? The use of these forums is your privelage, NOT your right.

 

Quite simply. Because it is our right because it IS public.

 

4. If you don't like these forums or the moderators here, guess what, you don't have to stay here! No one is forcing you to be here! Leave if you don't like it.

 

There is an inherent flaw in that statement. Guess what? Because if the forum community does not like the moderator or the rules of the forum, then there is no forum!

 

Maybe you should rethink naming the forum if the Palpatine Dictatorship Principle is going to be involved.

 

Modeling

Discuss everything and anything related to the world of JKII Modeling

 

Modeling

Discuss everything and anything related to the world of JKII

Modeling... ....IF it passes KMan's ego and validity tests.

 

 

As for rules yes, I got no prob with posting rules, otherwise it would get really messy.

 

It all really goes back to Brad's initial statement of playing favorites. If you bend the rules for one, you have to bend them for all. Playing favorites is a dictatorship. If you look at dictatorships they usually spring from 1 person or a group of people who are egomaniacs. One things for sure though. Time and again throughout history dictatorships fail. You can't have a PUBLIC forum with such nonsense.

 

Didn't write all this mess to further my ego. Just to make people understand Brad's statements.(If I'm understanding correctly.)

 

 

Ok im getting off my soapbox now.

 

Buh Bye

[Exar Kun II]

Originally posted by Emon

Yeah, it's a discussion forum, but there still need to be rules. There are multiple categories to keep things organized, and when someone posts something in the wrong category it gets closed.

 

Perhaps I am missing the point. You tell me KMan is abusing his power or not using it properly or playing favorites or something, could you give me an example as to where this has happened?

 

No, I'm not saying KMAN is abusing position. I'm not taking sides in this until I know all the facts. I was explaining what the issue at hand was.

 

I know BradFu, not personally, but from these forums, and I know he is not one to post useless, asinine information. If he is saying this, I think it bears some looking into.

[Emon]

Oh, I see what you mean. In that case, I agree with BradFu.

[dreddsnott]

I agree, Kman is a terrible moderator. He hasn't shot some of you lot dead on the spot, even yet.

 

What he has done should not be so negatively termed 'favoritism', but rather 'improvisation'.

 

Most of you are very lucky to feel that free speech is an inalienable right, but it does not hold true on this forum. The very existence of a moderator precludes the right to free speech.

[editormg]

"And I'm the one who thinks that Kinja's ideas are better than others posting for mod requests. That's more than enough reason for me not to close this." - KMan

...Was totally dictatorial

 

"Everybody knows that Batman and Batman Return were the only good ones. They also know that you should be posting this in the Request Thread." - KMan

...This one didn't need the additional opinion.

 

"what 3d modeling program are u using cause your whipping up models so fast. i want to try it."

"Keep these private conversations, private. Private Message quamosity instead."

"Ok K-Man well stop posting stuff, geez"

 

...you keep messages like this private and no new people will get anywhere. Unless old KMan intends on writing new tuts huh?

 

"why don't you e-mail or pm him?

This isn't a chat room" - KMan

 

The extra attitude not really needed.

 

Here's a long one:

http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72807

valid thread simple but prob an educating discussion to new guys

 

and the response

 

"Either make the model and post some pics or put this in the requests thread." -KMan

Quite simply it comes off sounding like he's saying."Look if you don't know have any pics then don't post it. Whether its in progress or not."

 

Prob wasn't very encouraging for the poor bloake.

 

Anyways enoguh of my ranting. I mean in all fairness KMan does close threads that need to be closed b/c of silliness, but also closes some that really have no need to be. Or if they do a simple link to the proper category would suffice without the extra comments.

[editormg]

Improvisation. Interesting term for it. You could be on to something.

[Nanodagiardino]

The thread is open and it's a chance for us to give some constructive feedback.... sad that most of the posts here are ubber crap... anyway here are my 2cents. I think there is a compromise at stake between the technical aspect and the social aspect of the forum. I Personaly would like a forum where it is also possible to make friends and have some good off-topic laugh, while at the same time learn, improve and show the works. I may be mistaken, but I think Kman did a good job at cutting some of the crap out of the forum. I didn't agree with him a few times, and just PMed him about the problems. I think that having a moderator who participates in his own forum is a good thing, so if there is a way to have a better forum, he will probably listen. For the favoritism part... well If there are rules, they should definitely be the same for everyone. (kinja shame on you for real this time).

[inbredyokel]

Upon reading bradfu's initial post in this thread, I felt pretty indifferent about the topic and kind of thought it inappropriate of of him to post something here that should be directed to kman via email or PM. Then, however, I read Kman's rather RUDE sarcastic "apology" and thought, "Hmm, if all he can do is mock someone with a serious concern, maybe he shouldn't be a moderator." Following this, I recalled his complete lack of action in the past. I remember several threads filled with many racial and ethnic slurs that didn't receive so much as a visit from Kman let alone deleting or closing the thread. Words like n*gger and fag were used quite insultingly toward other forum users and no action was taken. Now, despite all of VHD's sarcastic narration in this thread, this IS a serious problem. Free speech or not, harassment on an internet forum is no more legal or appropriate than it is in real life. Yet, nothing was done because many of the threads in question contained fake claims of huge modeling or animating achievements, and we apparently didn't want to upset the person just in case they were actually telling the truth. After all, we can let anyone get away with anything as long as they make us an awsome model or show off some cool screenshots, right?

[VampireHunterD]

Now, Despite all of VHD's sarcastic narration in this thread,

 

Well excuse me pal but I've found holding a grudge about the whole situation won't fix anything. I'm sorry but I'm sure the Admins don't give a sh!t. In fact, they pretty much write us all off as little whiny children. It's their call whether to have kman removed or not. Not yours. So there's no need in having an entire thread debating this issue.

 

If you people are so "hell-bent" on having kman removed from his position why don't you contact the Admins themselves instead of complaining about it in a thread? I'm sure if enough of you people sent several messages to them and kept on at it that would at least get their attention. But I'm not too sure they'll be too forgiving for bothering them though because as I said before I'm sure they don't give a sh!t and would be rather irritated at someone who keeps bugging them about something they might not even care about.

[Woodrodius]

Riot!!!! Lets go frigging crazy and burn it all down!!! Let's stick it to the man, and go in there, and graffiti the walls and.......

 

 

Oh wait, it's just a website, and NONE OF IT MATTERS.

 

 

 

 

True.

[BradFu]

I want to clarify a few things for people new to the conversation.

 

1 - I have no problem with KMan on a personal level. As a person, a modeler, a skinner, and a member of this community, I don't have anything against him. His role as a Moderator is what I'm calling into question.

 

2 - Emon, you'll want to read this one (You seem to have missed this stuff several times in reading this thread). This whole mess started because KMan FAILED to enforce the rules, not because he IS enforcing them. He made the rule that Mod/TC recruiting doesn't belong here (Unilaterally made that rule, I might add). He has closed a number of threads based on this rule in the past. Kinja posted a recruitment for a TC team that KMan happens to be a member of, and that one is allowed to stay (until this mess started, anyway). That's where the problem lies. Selective enforcement of the rules can't be tolerated. I'm not even going to discuss past things KMan did but shouldn't have (check editormg's post if you're interested in that). All I and others wanted to see was an admission that allowing Kinja's thread to stay up because of favoritism was wrong. I personally don't think he should have even closed Kinja's thread. Instead, that rule should have been modified, or we should have discussed modification of it anyway. Instead, he closed Kinja's thread and specifically said he favoritism had NOT been a factor in letting it stay open. That was a lie.

 

"And I'm the one who thinks that Kinja's ideas are better than others posting for mod requests. That's more than enough reason for me not to close this." - KMan

 

That is favoritism. Period.

 

3 - I actually didn't even start all this. My initial thread on this topic was started because he closed the other thread that was discussing this. I didn't start that previous thread, though I posted to it, and I wholly agree with it. It was closed because it wasn't relating to Modeling. It WAS, however, related to the Modeling Forum and how it is run, and so it was not inappropriate.

 

4 - VHD: I have, and will continue to do just that. I've posted a thread about this problem in the LucasForums.com Help/Feedback center. I've let one member of the JKII.net staff know this is going on in case they don't visit the forum in the near future, and I will let others know until some appropriate action is taken.

 

5 - Woodrodius, just because it's the internet does not mean it doesn't matter. The Internet is a social environment, and just because the people you are talking to aren't a few feet away from you doesn't mean respectful social interaction is not necessary. If something is not right in the community, discussing it and making others aware of what's going on and how we feel about it is pretty much the only recourse we have if the Administrators choose not to pay attention.

 

My only goal with all this stuff is for change to occur. If KMan chooses to discuss this with us in a serious manner and shows a real desire to help this community by being a better moderator, then great! That's one solution. If he wants to continue to try to brush it off and provide flippant responses to valid concerns, then he needs to either step down or be removed. That's another solution. As long as the end result is this forum improving and having a moderator who we can trust to do the right thing, I'll be perfectly happy.

 

None of this is about a grudge against anyone. As it stands now, when some solution is reached, I won't be treating KMan or anyone else with disrespect (unless they implicitly earn it). I'm not backing off on any of this because I've spent a number of years in Administrative/Moderator roles in chats, and I know that the situation is not how it should be, and needs to be discussed openly and changed for the betterment of the community.

[Eets]

Alright, let's get a few things straight here..

 

For one... This thread doesn't belong on this particular category of the JediKnightII.net forums. It would be more suited for a private message or at the very most a Swamp topic. This category is for the discussion of "everything and anything related to the world of JKII Modeling" (taken from the main category listing for the JediKnightII.net forums).

 

Kman, the guidelines you set forth in this thread are not in agreement with the description of this board's purpose. If you'd like the description changed, then you'll have to ask an Administrator to do that.

 

If someone wants to post a recruitment thread for a modelling party, then it can be allowed. Model requests should be posted in the requests thread. If there is a topic that is a recruiting thread, it should be moved to the modcentral forums. If there is another topic that is a model request, it should be adjoined to the model requests thread. Any other topic that is not about modelling and that was posted on this modelling board should be moved to the appropriate board. In my opinion, the only reason a thread should be closed is if it has absolutely no purpose other than to spam, or is vulgar in description.

 

On to the rest of you. Kman has worked hard to make this board a decent modelling community. You should respect his attempts at making this a spam-free environment. Although he may not do the absolute right thing each time, he does do a fairly good job. No one is perfect. Even if you make a great model like Yoda. Kman deserves some commendation for his work. Please don't flame him for trying to do his job. After all, it's against the official guidelines.

[VampireHunterD]

Please don't flame him for trying to do his job. After all, it's against the official guidelines.

 

Obviously this guy doesn't give a sh!t about the real problem at hand here these guys were having since he probably didn't even bother reading the actual serious posts in the threads.

 

Hey people kman's not the actual problem. The real problem is uptight d!ckheads like these.

[Eets]

You can't stop a human from making mistakes at least once in their lives, any more than you can stop the suns from setting.

 

EDIT: Just saw your edit. All I have to say is: Oh oh oh! Now it's on, foo! Bring it on boy, I'll have my posse over here quick fast and in a hurry!

 

Don't let the things people do get to you. This board is about modelling, not everyday life.

[VampireHunterD]

EDIT: Just saw your edit. All I have to say is: Oh oh oh! Now it's on, foo! Bring it on boy, I'll have my posse over here quick fast and in a hurry!

 

Hey well guess what? I saw you close the Anarchy thread. Big deal. You could have just simply moved it to another forum. But no. you had to close it.

 

So now whatcha gonna do? Ban me? OoOoOoOoO go ahead I've been banned from forums before. It makes no difference to me. lol.

 

P.S.-Your forums really need cleaning up. They are really sucking right now. lol.

[editormg]

sorry guys, my fingers ache from last night's posting war and they must rest for awhile... but ya know

[Woodrodius]

I stand by my opinion that you all are taking everything way too seriously, lol, it's Star Wars for god sakes.

 

 

 

 

True.

[Gooey]

so very, very sad...

 

close, or at lease move, this thread

[remark 666]

Quit bumping threads!!!

Do you think that some people have actual lives, and model in their hobbies?

When there is something important going on in this thread, you will know because it will be up here.

 

why is it that you don't yell at people who bump yoda threads or even your threads ? hmm....

 

personally, I think we need a poll, to see who everyone (the community) wants as a moderator, this way they can't say much for when he does something wrong, it'll be their falt for choosing him =/

 

I don't remember voting or even wanting "kman" for moderator, hmmm, medetate on this I will..... (not really, I'll just have a beer and watch tv)

 

go BradFu, good to see people who actually stand up for the whole community, you speak the truth

 

and Nanodagiardino, the post you made REALLY sounded like ubber crap, get your eyes looked at.

[-Chrono_MOT-]

*Chrono thinks for a second...*

 

Nope. Nevermind. If I really posted my opinion here everyone would laugh at kman until the sun exploded.

[funny_dude0]

Due to my experience with Kman I agree with what you say BradFu. I posted on a forum that had only 1 reply: mine. It was a simple thread asking about the Battle Droid model. He asked when the next version was coming out and I replied by saying I'm interested in that myself. Then he says something way outta line and says "Why not just wait for it to come out like a normal person?" With that piss ass "I am god," attitude remark he closed the thread. I posted a thread similar to this and I can understand why he closed that because people posted useless crap when I asked them not to.

So Kman this is what I have to say to you. Either you resign from you position or I'll find some way to make you.

[ZBomber]

Uh.. this is working good... I hope you all make peace....

 

* Runs away *

[Drakewl]

Kman, i suggest you to do something (with respect to the community) or this bloody mess will grow and grow until this forum is...

 

a.) full of nonsense

b.) full of hate threads

c.) empty with all modellers gone to another forum

d.) shut down

 

 

the community is aware of your artistic and graphical skills, but your social forum modcompetence lacks more and more.

 

 

 

make a clear and fair statement like a professional or get your image damaged somewhat, depends on the point what you give about your rep

[Exar Kun II]

I said I would not take sides until I looked at the big picture. KMAN, I'm sorry, but the closed threads are getting out of hand. Really, it's starting to get ridiculous. Just my opinion.

 

I felt I should add something else. KMAN, I can appreciate that you feel you have a job to do. A task to accomplish, and I can certainly respect that. However, when you approach it in a heavy handed and favoristic manner, it makes you look like a common tyrant. If one person were saying this, I could maybe dismiss it as a simple clash of personalities. This is more than one person, KMAN. I think you need to reevaluate your performance and your attitude. This is just my opinion, not a personal attack.