NickR Posted August 11, 2002 Posted August 11, 2002 Ok I've set up a petition for all you guys to sign here It starts today (August 11) and ends September 1. And if there are any JK2.net guys around who would like to post something about the petition that would be great. Thanks.
Psionic Jedi Posted August 11, 2002 Posted August 11, 2002 Originally posted by razorace Has a online petition ever worked? There was a video card company that released a card with a built in wallhack for most FPS's... a petition from a member of the CS community caused the company to take down the drivers that allowed this feature. What's this petition about? o.O
razorace Posted August 11, 2002 Posted August 11, 2002 You could READ THE PETITION! As for those video drivers, I think there was more at work than just the petition. It seemed like game developers complained or something like that.
morphius_doh Posted August 11, 2002 Posted August 11, 2002 We need to get as many modelers as poissible to sign this petition. Spread the word!
Twisted Vertex Posted August 12, 2002 Posted August 12, 2002 lets think about this for a second. How would you obtain this 600 mb file. Surely not by download. Mail, well you'll probably ending up paying a couple of bucks for them anyways. I think its a worthless casue, think will be totally ingonred. Come on looks at the Two towers petiton. That was TOTALLY ignorned. First off, create your OWN site for the petition. The petiton you have created here is very far from convincing. This way if you create your own site, you can go into more detail on WHY you want these aniamtions. Personally, I would like to see raven get invovled with making custom aniamtions that go with custom skeletons, that work in mp.
Goreld Posted August 12, 2002 Posted August 12, 2002 Sorry, but all the expert Softimage animators already have jobs, and are not working on mods. Try again.
NickR Posted August 13, 2002 Author Posted August 13, 2002 Maybe those professionals have hobbies! Jerk!
Koldsabercut Posted August 13, 2002 Posted August 13, 2002 I signed it even though I'm not into animating. The SP of the game has gotten extrememly boring and I want soemthing fresh. I have faith that you guys can do this. Good luck and God speed!
Goreld Posted August 13, 2002 Posted August 13, 2002 Sorry if that post came out a little harsh. I'm just saying that it most likely won't get released because VERY few people will be able to take advantage of it. Of course it won't be impossible, but the returns would be very minimal (the current animations cover most generic stuff already). First of all, animating isn't too easy, and second of all, I don't believe the Raven guys did it in Max; I'm almost positive they animated everything in Softimage (hence the .XSI files). Most hobbyists, including me, use Max; Softimage is a more advanced package; while Max is incredible at low poly stuff, Softimage has THE best animation capabilities in the world. So I'm saying that a lot of the stuff in Softimage might not translate well to Max. It would be opening a can of worms, and probably only a small handful of people would be able to take advantage of it. To put it this way- the only use I could see for it would be a mod with relatively few animations. Otherwise, to put a standard animation into jk2 without mods would require doing several thousand frames of animation. Very few hobbyists have access to a mocap studio, and even fewer could afford renting it out. Animating it by hand is theoretically possible, but do YOU want to do 17,000 animations just for a slightly different look?
NickR Posted August 13, 2002 Author Posted August 13, 2002 I know quite a few modelers who have SoftImage and my mod team has a mocap studio available to us. However, I'm not just trying to get the animations file for my team, but for the whole mod community. If we are denied this file it restricts what we can do, unlike in JK1 which you could do basically anything, engine allowing of course.
razorace Posted August 13, 2002 Posted August 13, 2002 My bet is that Raven is making an expansion for the game and therefore don't want some nonpros making them look bad or affect the number of sales.
NickR Posted August 14, 2002 Author Posted August 14, 2002 You and me both. It's certainly a worrier to me and my mod team. All the work and then Raven do the same thing and get money for it.
razorace Posted August 14, 2002 Posted August 14, 2002 Nah, no worries, as long as you do something unique Raven couldn't/wouldn't rip it. It's just too much as a legal hassle ,and why do that when they could just as easily hire you for your ideas.
Subject452 Posted August 16, 2002 Posted August 16, 2002 cough*http://forums.massassi.net/html/Forum9/HTML/001907.html *cough
Smood Posted August 17, 2002 Posted August 17, 2002 Certainly a tough issue, which might come as an easy solution to many, but others, such as myself, have mixed feelings... On the one hand, having the file so that animations can be edited instead of being made from scratch greatly benefits the mod community. There is no argument there.... However, I imagine the reason raven hasn't graced us with the file, is the same reason engines are kept out of reach to a lesser extent. The file has the potential to give competitors an advantage or resource to exploit. I know, you may be saying, 'NOT SO!' well, think about this, why don't we have the file? Simple Enough.
Rad Blackrose Posted August 29, 2002 Posted August 29, 2002 Originally posted by Psionic Jedi There was a video card company that released a card with a built in wallhack for most FPS's... a petition from a member of the CS community caused the company to take down the drivers that allowed this feature. What's this petition about? o.O The petition was started by Disk2, who is behind the works of Half-Life Sound Selector as well as HLirc. He has been known to hang out around the CSR server (Counter-Strike Radio). Pays to know your people. As far as animations go... I have mixed feelings as well...
Xenon812 Posted August 29, 2002 Posted August 29, 2002 So the file is over 600 Mb. And your point is? I downloaded 3 Gb in 2 hours yesterday, and I only have a capped cable connection. That is a non-issue. As for the other issues involved, if they ARE going to issue an expansion pack (I hope the Force is with us on that:)) then I would not want them to release the raw files just yet. Let's get every last bit of official stuff outta them before they turn it over to the modders....
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