Unl0rd Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 With all due respect to Bruce Lee, "Iron" Mike Tyson would destroy him. Sure, Bruce Lee was an excellent fighter and was very famous, but his fighting skills were highly exaggerated by the movies. He was not even close to one of the best fighters in the world. Mike Tyson would only need to connect one punch to his face and it would be over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZBomber Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 I say Bruce Lee, cause he didn't bite anyone's ear off... (unless he did.... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZBomber Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 Originally posted by Unl0rd With all due respect to Bruce Lee, "Iron" Mike Tyson would destroy him. Sure, Bruce Lee was an excellent fighter and was very famous, but his fighting skills were highly exaggerated by the movies. He was not even close to one of the best fighters in the world. Mike Tyson would only need to connect one punch to his face and it would be over. welcome to the swamp unl0rd *pokes the noob* have fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodrodius Posted November 12, 2002 Author Share Posted November 12, 2002 Skitzo, posts like that aren't really furthering the argument. I have addressed the speed issue on multible occasions, so telling me, "it would over in a minute" won't cut it. Why would it be? What tactics would Lee use? Again, I stress that under no circumstances would Lee be able to damage Tyson, who has been brutaly beaten his entire life due to his career, to the point where he would not be able to fight, let alone before Tyson popped him one. And again, this is NOT a boxing match. We are not arguing boxing vs. Jeet Kun Do. There are boxers that can pummel Jeet Kun Do'ers, and Jeet Kun Do'ers that can Jap wap the crap out of many competent boxers. We are talking about Lee, and Tyson, for reasons that I have already mentioned. Tyson's background a streetfighter must be taken into consideration as well. Bruce Lee was a great martial artist, but I think the myth that surrounds him is the origin of this strength that everyone is so convinced would allow him to prevail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodrodius Posted November 12, 2002 Author Share Posted November 12, 2002 Zbomber, throw me a bone, give me something I can work with. If anything I think Mike Tyson's obvious ferocity and ability to use his teeth as a weapon would only further my argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 Bruce Lee, hands down. I wont go citing facts or whatnot, because nobody seems interested in changing their minds. Bruce lee would break tyson in half and laugh at him while dancing on his broken-ness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorganfloss Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 Bruce Lee would kick Tysons ass. Sorry, but I dont have an explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodrodius Posted November 12, 2002 Author Share Posted November 12, 2002 lol, few do my friend, few do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodrodius Posted November 12, 2002 Author Share Posted November 12, 2002 I guess this whole thing for me, as a martial artist was an experiment of Fantasy vs. Reality. While myths and legends about Bruce Lee's greatness are inspiring, I truly believe that most of it was little more then exaggerated rumours, where as Tyson, a master of the martial art of boxing, (And this is what gets everyone, martial arts kids for some reason despise boxing and all that it stands for, while I believe that like many other martial arts, boxing is a deep, well thought out form of combat that is difficult to master. Those kids out there that say Tyson has no finesse need to put on some gloves and box a bit, and see how hard it is, I've boxed, and in my opinion it is far more difficult then olympic style Tae Kwon Do sparring) has proven himself an extremely competent fighter, able to improvise and to dish out devestating amounts of damage. Does anyone disagree that an ungloved Tyson, fighting an opponent without a mouthpiece, (Which absorbs most of the blow in boxing or any other sparring sport) would be utterly lethal? What would happen if Tyson went into the UFC? I can't even imagine it. People would die, and I'm not exaggerating in the least. A punch with that much power, is, in the most real of ways, would mean death. Does anyone disagree with at least that portion of my argument? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 Originally posted by Woodrodius Your response has no backup. I want good arguments here, not, "Bruce Lee would unleash 1,000 burning dragons and blow Tyson's head off." Bruce Lee could kill anyone in one hit, where did you obtain this information. Are you guessing? No. I was in the martial arts and learned a few death moves. Did you know that a back punch if done right can have more stopping power than a .45 bullet? In special seminars I trained under a master who knew Lee. He told us about how knowledgeable, intelligent and intuitive Lee was. Lee in a demontration did a famous 1 inch punch on 3 phone books and tore right through them. Now if that sounds stupid think about it. 3 phone books. Punching them in half. 1 inch punch. Ya that it amazing. If I was able to break 3 bricks with my hand then just try to imagine what Lee could do. My agruments have back up. Its called common sence. Its common knowledge Lee was one of the best. Just watch his movies. He didnt use fake movie tricks. Like Jackie Chan it was all him. Tyson is a great boxer but thats about it. I dont know what your personal feeling toward Tyson are but I think hes just a big dumb thug with no respect for anyone. Lee had respect. He was cool headed, smart, intuitive, and deadly. I rest my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-s/<itzo- Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 To Woodrodius comment: just think about it. if a fighter only limits himself with mostly punches wouldn't you think a master of Jeet Kun Do will adapt and find a weakness easily. I mean boxers are not use to getting kicks. How are they going to counter something that they are not use to especially to someone like Bruce Lee whos very versatile??? If you're stuck in only one or two ways of thinking or acting (or reacting) you will be predictable. and a watchful adversary will use that against you. yeah tyson is stronger but do you really think hes that much stronger than bruce hitting wise. with enough force and accuracy bruce lee punches can be as devastating as mike tyson's. plus he can kick. and i think bruce lee's kick is much much more lethal than tyson's punch. and also stamina wise tyson will loose. plus its a fact, bigger people get tired much easier. and everybody knows tyson doesn't do good in the late rounds. cuz i think he uses all of his energy in the beginning of the fight. and that will not be a good stragedy against bruce lee. Bruce can use that to his advantage. with his speed he can probably dodge most of tyson's hits. he will tire him down to a point where he can just predict every movement. Tyson will be vulnerable and in one good oppurtunity bruce lee will find a chance, an opening and it's over. "When the opponent expand, I contract, When he contracts, I expand, And when there is an opportunity, I do not hit--it hits all by itself." -- Bruce Lee nuff said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guardian Omega Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 You say he's been in the streets when young, I'll give you that. But right now, I'd say most of his experiences compared to his street ones are dominantly boxing. He'd probably forgotten quite a bit of his street fighting techs when confined to the rules of boxing. Human minds seem to forget what is not needed, and focus what is needed, in Mike's case, boxing. It would be wise to develop tactics specifically for boxing, not street fights, since he's probably never gonna be picked on ever since he got famous and there's rules, wherever street fighting isn't. I'm pretty sure Bruce could outlast mike, as agility demands more stamina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWhiteRaider Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 Gie-Koon-Do (That is not how it is spelled that is how it is pronuced I have only heard it.) is what Lee's style is. And there is more to a street fight than Punching. I voted for Lee. He has speed and style. Also to put to rest the street fight argument. My teacher (Who has 15 black belts, knife training, gun training, and a few Navy seal tricks,) Said that the only problem with Karate is that most classes have you only punch air you never try anything on hard surfaces. Which hitting hard surfaces(AKA People) can change the recoiling of you fist or leg. And some style teach you dances, but I don't think you are going to all this when someone attacks you. When they have these "all style" type exibition games. You know who wins? Not boxers, not Karate guys, and not Kung Fu. It is the guys who grapple and don't do all the dances. Those who don't only punch. So there is more to fighting than being strong or fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodrodius Posted November 12, 2002 Author Share Posted November 12, 2002 The last 3 posts were excellent, and brought up some of the best counter points to my argument yet. We are getting closer to having the debate turn into strictly opinion but I will say this. A.Tyson being mentally gearded towards boxing-Of course he would be, but he obviously isn't completely geared towards boxing, since he bit off Holyfields ear in a boxing match! But I still think that his boxing background gives Tyson all the tools he needs for victory. B.Tyson's stamina-I'll give that one to you, Tyson would definetely tucker out before Lee would, but to be frank, I'm not sure Lee would last long enough to see him tire. To assume tyson would get tired, you have to assume that he would be swinging alot! If he is swinging a lot, he's going to either hit Lee, ending the fight, or if he continues to miss, pull back and let lee bring the fight to him, which I think would be a devastating turn of events for Bruce. Everyone assumes that Mike would always be on the offensive, but i dont believe this is all true. Mike isn't dumb, if he was a dumb fighter none of us would know who he is. We know who he is because he is a smart boxer, and a successful one. I think he's know when to change gears on the fight and let Bruce bring the pain. i'd write more but im going toa movie, I'll keep responding when i get back, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 If it weren't for the fact that this is a completely impossible matchup, I'd almost be upset. When Bruce was still alive, Tyson was really young (or hadn't yet been born, i'm not sure how old he is). So no matchup there. When Tyson was at his peak, Bruce was long dead, so no matchup there either. If you took both men at the peak of their careers, I'd have to say Bruce would come out on top. Throw out all the stuff about strength, power, reach, technique, etc. The reason Bruce would win is simple : Bruce trained in the martial arts as a way of life - he took it very seriously. He practiced with full focus and concentration, as if his life depended on it. It was his whole life, from the time he started studying Wing Chun kung fu under the great Sifu Yip Man when he was a young boy. Tyson, on the other hand, started his training much later in life, and it wasn't his main focus in life (although he did train very hard). He also trained for a sport - the techniques he practiced were useful only in the ring... as far as I know, he has nowhere near the amount of experience fighting outside the ring as Bruce did. Woodrodius, you weren't looking for opinions when you started this thread. You were looking for an argument. You've been trying to change people's opinions, and no amount of arguing can do that. You have valid points, as does everyone who's posted here. The fact is we'll never know who'd win a fight between Bruce and Tyson, so why do you argue as if you know there's a fight between them coming soon on Pay-Per-View and you've just GOTTA be right? You're not going to convince anyone otherwise so just let it go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWhiteRaider Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 Though I agree that we can't prove this. We can debate it. So let us have our fun JEDI_Anakin_S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 Originally posted by TheWhiteRaider Though I agree that we can't prove this. We can debate it. So let us have our fun JEDI_Anakin_S. I'm all for having fun, but some people are taking it a little too seriously, so I was just trying to remind them of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWhiteRaider Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 Originally posted by JEDI_Anakin_S I'm all for having fun, but some people are taking it a little too seriously, so I was just trying to remind them of that. Ok. One thing I hate about typeing is you can't tell the type of tone like talking. Anyways back to topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Homer Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 I voted for Bruce because I have seen videos of him fighting...he was so fast the camera could not keep up with him. Also, I agree with all the others who stated opinions about kicking. Lee's was especially damaging, many people have equated Lee's side kick w/ getting hit by a train. The "Death Punch", which I've always heard as the "One inch punch" is real. Bruce was capable of focusing all of his body weight into a single point and then would hit you in the chest with it. The only difference is, this was something he had to prepare and made it impossible to do in combat. Jeet Kune Do, translated means "The Way of the Intercepting Fist." It's design was to stop someone from attacking by intercepting that attack with one of your own...Tyson would be worn down by Bruce's agility, speed and interceptions; then finished off with a side kick for good measure. If it was limited to punches, Tyson would win easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodrodius Posted November 12, 2002 Author Share Posted November 12, 2002 Jedi Anakin, I'm not trying to tell anyone that they are wrong, simply why I think I am right. If I didn't care about the method of doing so, I would of just said, "**** All Y'all, Tyson 4ever, Boyeeeeeeee!" As a martial artist this topic interests me, because while I am confident that my martial arts training, (1st Dan black belt in Tae Kwon Do) coupled with my ring expierience as a competitor, would do much to aid me in a combat situation. But I also concede to the fact that no matter how hard I train, someone can beat me. And it isn't always that they trained harder then me, or that they were stronger then me, it's they they were designed to win. That's what makes fighters like Lee and Tyson so interesting, not so much that they were master's of their arts, but that they are so designed to win at what they do. http://www.myodynamics.com/articles/bruce.html this website does much to give real data and fact, and compare it to the myth of Bruce Lee. Please read and reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 Not reading, not replying, not arguing any more. It'd be pointless (for me at least) from here on out. And you say 1st Dan Black Belt like it's supposed to impress someone. It's the lowest ranked black belt in Tae Kwon Do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodrodius Posted November 12, 2002 Author Share Posted November 12, 2002 Perhaps if I were interested impressing you or anyone else on these forums Jedi, I'd of said I was a 5th Dan. But I am a first Dan black belt. It's all I needed to fight in the black belt division. A black belt is a black belt in olympic style sparring, it doesn't matter what degree you are, you are fighting eachother, and thats when you witness the myth and mystery of martial arts fade away with your own eyes. It's not about charging up to the top of a mountain to meditate, or running across burning coal to make yourself more "raw". It's about how good you are, how hard you work at it, and ultimately, how good you can be. I've fought all types of degrees of black belts, some higher some lower, some better some worse. Yellow stripes on your belt don't matter, all that matters, is you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 Aww, that's so inspiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodrodius Posted November 12, 2002 Author Share Posted November 12, 2002 Jedi, I'm not turning this into a flame war, if you dont like the subject, bounce. If you want to be courteous and debate about it, debate your heart out. Otherwise stop being rude or I'll give Tyson the link to this forum and your address, and I don't think we need a poll to figure out who'd win that one. P.S. I dont really know Jedi's address or have any way of getting in contact with Mike. (Nor would I really want either, lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted November 12, 2002 Share Posted November 12, 2002 Ooooh, not Tyson! Anyone but Tyson! What's he going to do, bite my ear? And since we're on the Tyson kick, why'd you pick Tyson anyway? He's hardly who I would pick to represent the cream of the boxing crop... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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