Evolution vs Creationism - a Reasoned Debate

[Mandalorian54]

Charels Darwin said on his death bead that Evolution is a lie.

 

dare anyone deny this

[Mandalorian54]

origionally said by skinwalker

The protestants AND the catholics had a cow when Joan of Arc said she was spoken to by god.... they set her on fire rather than believe their own dogma.

 

I said Catholics arn't christians. and that was just a movie and not entirely historicly accurate, but probably accurate enough, and those protestants obviously wernt christians.

 

In those days The priests and high ranking religious men had Power and they abused that power, they were not men of God but a discrace to thier name. Those kind of people who openly profess to be christians and use religion to controll people and gain power are not real christians and you must not confuse them with us.

 

This is very important. I am sorry you feel that way towards christians because of the bad examples set before us in history.

 

Why not choose to see christians as people like George washington,or Abraham Lyncon, they were nothing like those chatholics if you know what I mean.

 

The world today has a pretty bad Idea of what a christian is.

and this is clear evidence. I hope I have been a help.

[Tyrion]

Originally posted by Mandolorian54

Charels Darwin said on his death bead that Evolution is a lie.

 

dare anyone deny this

 

That's a lie.

 

Darwin said that he could never prove evolution with the current tecnology in that time.

 

Edit- Also,Washington and Linclon didnt do great deeds for Christianity, they did it for America. I highly doubt that they wouldnt do the same things if they werent Christian.

[C'jais]

Originally posted by Mandolorian54

Charels Darwin said on his death bead that Evolution is a lie.

 

dare anyone deny this

 

Darwin was also Christian - Evolution is not used to explain how the species got here, merely how they change afterwards.

 

But oh well, I assume Darwin wasn't really Christian either eh?

[C'jais]

Originally posted by Mandolorian54

origionally said by skinwalker

 

 

I said Catholics arn't christians. and that was just a movie and not entirely historicly accurate, but probably accurate enough, and those protestants obviously wernt christians.

 

You are bordering on flaming when you're saying Catholics aren't Christians. If they are not, then you aren't either - simple as that.

 

You're telling me that I've been so unlucky as to only hear about the tiny minority that are "bad" Christians. I find it curious that it's amazing how much of this tiny minority there are.

 

Ever heard about the Burden of proof?

 

Ever heard about the burden of disproof?

 

Well, disproving God is not my burden. Proving him is yours.

 

I'm willing to believe God exists. I'm not willing to accept "There is life" or "Just look at the beauty of this pine cone" as proof of him. You can't prove the connection. You can't prove that God had anything to do with these things. You are doing the assuming. You are filling in the gaps and lack of evidence with faith.

 

However, I don't have to "assume" anything, I just have to look at the facts. It doesn't matter what you feel or what you believe one bit - because there are people who feel and believe, with even more conviction, that they saw bigfoot one time or whatever. That doesn't make it universal truth. I may look at these things and say "I don't know what makes it like that" but that does not, in turn, prove that God did it. I don't know how my TV works either, that doesn't mean God's making the magic picture on the glass tube.

 

Show me actual proof. Show me the proof that spawned faiths or gigantic tomes. Where's my being of fire and light appearing before me to say "Hey, I'm real." All I have is a book written by people (whom you can only claim had divine inspiration) and the word of more people. That's the same thing people had to go by to believe the world was flat, once upon a time. It's no more valid than any other belief be it in Zeus or space aliens or the fountain of youth.

 

The simple fact is that while the religious do have the burden of proof they also have the burden that what they wish to prove is based on faith, not proof, at all. They have chosen to see things that others don't and accept it as true. It's not possible for them to prove it because it's faith and not something tangible. The only thing you can prove is that you, yourself believe it. That's simply not good enough.

[SkinWalker]

Originally posted by Mandolorian54

 

 

I said Catholics arn't christians.

 

See... I don't get what you're saying. At first, I thought you were trying to point out that just because you go to church doesn't make you christian, and that it's what you accept about god that does. But now, you're disenfranchising a whole denomination that believes in the trinity, that Christ died for our sins, yada yada...

 

I went to mass once with my wife's family (I felt like the guy in the old movies that visited a village in the jungle and watched them perform native rituals... a very educating experience)... they had an effigy of Christ on the wall..... the witch doctor....er... priest spoke about being good christians... etc.

 

Originally posted by Mandolorian54

and that was just a movie and not entirely historicly accurate, but probably accurate enough, and those protestants obviously wernt christians.

 

Hmmm... I don't remember seeing a movie... I just grew up with the story of Joan of Arc. I'm sure much of her life was myth and legend..... like the talking to god part And I'm sure her enemies all thought they were christians.

 

That's one of the things I've noticed about christians. To the winner's go the spoils. Our great Christian Founding Fathers built this country on strong christian values, etc. Today, many consider us to be one of the greatest countries to live in.

 

But lets face it.... it's the greatest country anyone ever stole! Native Americans are STILL marginalized citizens in the United States. Our government (made up of self-proclaimed christians) forced Native Americans out of their homes and off of their ancestoral lands because "good christians" needed it to settle on. Many of the early Americans came to the New World because they were tired of having religious and governmental oppression. But they weren't above offering it to, what they perceived to be, a bunch of godless heathens.

 

"In the name of god, get your a@@ off of the land and give to someone white."

 

They were sent to lands that were desolate and inhospitable, but they survived. They accepted these lands as new homes... then gold or oil or some other natural resource would be discovered and they were forced out again.

 

Native Americans once numbered as much as 40 million but today their numbers are at best 600, 000 in the United States. The 40 million probably includes Canada and Central America... but you see the point.

 

The whites in control of the land considered themselves to be "true christians." As did those that led the crusades. The missionaries that went to China and sparked the Boxer rebellion thought they were as well.

 

In the end... it doesn't matter if you call yourself christian, catholic, muslim or wiccan.... an a@@hole is just an a@@hole; the considerate are considerate. We all have the same amount of potential for both traits.

 

The dictionary's definition of Christian is: Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.

 

SkinWalker

[Mandalorian54]

this thread is going nowear fast. I'm staring to get tired of this.

You contradict evrything I say, ignore half of what I say, and are just stuborn and ignorant.

 

I know I'm on the border of flaming, walking very close to the line. But I've had enough, believe whatever you want.

 

This is most likely my last time in this thread.

 

 

edit:

and I read a novel about the life of Abraham Lycon, it was a biography, made up of events recorded and wrightnings in his diary. It says, and I have seen this many times before, that when Abraham Lyncon became a christian it totally changed his life. When someone is really a christian it relects on their decisions in life and the way they treat people.

 

You seem to have ignored my post about what a REAL christian is.

 

But not just you cjas, the evolutionist's in general seem to ignore posts contradicting evolution.

 

well darwin did not exactly say it was a lie, I wasn't there if you know what I mean, but he said somthing along the lines of "evolution is not true."

[C'jais]

Originally posted by Mandolorian54

this thread is going nowear fast. I'm staring to get tired of this.

You contradict evrything I say, ignore half of what I say, and are just stuborn and ignorant.

 

I know I'm on the border of flaming, walking very close to the line. But I've had enough, believe whatever you want.

 

This is most likely my last time in this thread.

 

Hey hey now - point us to posts where we have ignored you or flamed you.

 

And it's true that I'm stubborn, but that's just me.

[SkinWalker]

Originally posted by Cjais

 

And it's true that I'm stubborn, but that's just me.

 

Oh...me too. Or so my wife likes to point out. She's wrong, though... and I'm sticking to that. No matter what.

 

But... hey.... Mandolorian54, the title of the thread does include the word debate. Abraham Lincoln was, argueably, the best President the United States has ever had. His christian beliefs undoubtedly helped his decision-making process.

 

But there are plenty of people in the world who have the some of the same "values" that christians hold dear... without being christian. Ghandi was one of history's greatest examples of being righteous. The Dali Llama is, today, a shining example of "good." Black Elk wanted peace among the whites and the Indians, even after the massacre's that occured at places like Wounded Knee.

 

Christianity does not have the patent on doing right in the world.... people choose to be right or wrong. Most religions teach morals and values because this is Universal Common Sense. As self-aware beings, we have to be "righteous" so that our species will survive. It's not enough for us to be the fastest, strongest, best hunters, etc. The human animal has evolved past that.

 

Don't go.... or go. The choice is yours. I have, however, enjoyed your input. It has caused me to do some self-examination, although I'm still convinced that for "creation" to be able to explain life on Earth, it must adapt as a theory and become a sub-set of the Theory of Evolution.

 

Cheers,

 

SkinWalker

[C'jais]

Yup. It's here again. The big 'ole lump of good, (mostly) reasoned discussion brought up to entertain the newcomers.

 

Creationism revisited.

 

I apologize for the snide remarks and snarky attitude found in the above link, but it does bring up a lot of good points and contradictions with regards to creationism.

 

Note: I could have made some extracts from this instead of doing a linkage, but since I'm very lazy and don't have much time on my hands, I'll simply do a link for you all to check it.

[ShadowTemplar]

I did fancy myself out of this thread, but this demands a reply.

 

Originally posted by Mandolorian54

You seem to have ignored my post about what a REAL christian is.

 

For all intents and purposes the Knights Templar, KKK, the Inquisition, the IRA ect. are "real christians". NO christian organisations have, to my knowledge, done ANYTHING material to distance themselves from them, and the Catholic Church still hasn't paid compensation to the familes of Gallilei, Copernicus, Darwin or the victims of the First Crusade. In short: The claimed distance is just hot air and nice words (I too would preach tolerance if I had a knife at my throat, which religion collectively has had since the rationalist movement made people think unorthodoxly (ie.: made people think ("Orthodoxy isn't a way of thinking, it is a way of not thinking - Orwell))).

 

Originally posted by Mandolorian54

But not just you cjas, the evolutionist's in general seem to ignore posts contradicting evolution.

 

So far, although I must admit to being a little out of tune with this thread, the only things that I have ignored of late are blatant repetitions of the points that I have refuted a thousand times a thousand times before. And the only reason that I ignore them is because I might otherwise say some not-so-polite things about people who keep repeating their points without refuting their opponent's arguments against those same points.

 

Originally posted by Mandolorian54

well darwin did not exactly say it was a lie, I wasn't there if you know what I mean, but he said somthing along the lines of "evolution is not true."

 

EVERYONE knows that NOTHING is true. Truth does not exist (exept as opposed to lies, but then it is a description of intent). Only falsehood does. But it comes in varying degrees. Creation myth is one of the REALLY false, whereas the theories of Gravity, Evolution, and the like are some of the least false.

 

BTW: The answer is Forty-two. The problem is to find the question.

[ShadowTemplar]

Originally posted by Cjais

Creationism revisited.

 

LOL.

 

LAUGH OUT LOUD

 

*laughs out loud*

 

What a great link. How did you find that C'Jais? Rips Creation myth apart like a Chimera assaulted by a Drednought with two Drednought CC-weapons. Sure as sure.

 

(For those who don't know 40k terminology, imagine a snowman blown to shreds by a mortar shell.)

[Tyrion]

this thread is going no where fast. I'm starting to get tired of this.You contradict everything I say, ignore half of what I say, and are just stubborn and ignorant.

 

You do the same...you think that people who dont believe in god dont have morals. You define Christians and Catholics by your own terms.

 

I know I'm on the border of flaming, walking very close to the line. But I've had enough, believe whatever you want.

 

Thank you.

 

This is most likely my last time in this thread.

 

But I like your biased and ignorant opinions!

 

 

and I read a novel about the life of Abraham Linclon, it was a biography, made up of events recorded and writings in his diary. It says, and I have seen this many times before, that when Abraham Lyncon became a christian it totally changed his life. When someone is really a christian it relects on their decisions in life and the way they treat people.

 

Funny, I am not a christian and I dont rob,cheat, or harm.(Although I do lie...but even christians do that.)

 

You seem to have ignored my post about what a REAL christian is.

 

Again,by only your terms...

 

But not just you cjas, the evolutionist's in general seem to ignore posts contradicting evolution.

 

And you guys ignore posts contradicting creation.

 

well darwin did not exactly say it was a lie, I wasn't there if you know what I mean, but he said somthing along the lines of "evolution is not true."

 

No,I'm pretty sure it's "I cannot prove this with today's technology." Source it,and I'll find my source.

 

P.S. improve your spelling,please.

 

P.S.S. Also,I think that the church pressures and indirectly forces people to become Christian,because they keep saying "Become one of us or burn in fiery hell!!!!!".

 

Edit- Interesting..we were both wrong,but I was the one with the better degree of truth..

 

From a website.

 

" A widespread rumor circulated -- facilitated by an evangelist by the name of Lady Hope who preached in Downe during the last years of Darwins life -- that on his deathbed Darwin renounced evolution and declared himself a Christian. This story, totally contradictory to the nature of the man himself, is a falsehood, denied by his daughter Henrietta and those who knew him best and who were actually at his bedside during his last weeks. Darwin's last words, spoken to his wife Emma, were in actuality, "I am not in the least afraid to die.""

 

From http://www.public.coe.edu/departments/Biology/darwin_bio.html

[Mandalorian54]

still at eh.

 

well your persistent I'll give you that.

 

I really don't know what to say. I can't be bothered anymore to argue with you since even if proven wrong you change the subject or bring somthing else up.

 

how come lucas forums is so pickey about flaming. ffgurus is crazy, people flame all the time. hear I'm a reble but there I'm below average.

 

Join my mega man story, although it's kinda going out the windo. I plan on starting a fantasy story and mega man thing will just be a side thing. but no one has even written anything on the story forum since I did yesterday.(dec.13).

 

well just wanted to add my add.

 

and I have an expression, instead of take it easy(cause that is basicly telling someone to slack off) I say PRESS ON!(cause that means work extra hard)

 

Christians founded canada and america. If not for christians we would not have had responsible government. a christian who made the world a better place, alexander macdonald.

[SkinWalker]

Originally posted by Mandolorian54

Christians founded canada and america. If not for christians we would not have had responsible government.

 

Stole.... not founded. There were already over 500 nations of perhaps 40 million people residing in the Americas. Now, all that remains is a few thousand living on reservations, popcorn, and a bunch of rivers, streets and professional ball clubs named after them to carry on their legacy.

 

SkinWalker

 

BTW, Black Elk was a prophet.... he prophesized our current relationship with Mother Earth. But as Crazy Horse said to his people: "It is a good day to die." He only meant that they should have no regrets... they lived their lives righteously and that could not be taken by white man.

[Tyrion]

still at eh.

 

well your persistent I'll give you that.

 

I really don't know what to say. I can't be bothered anymore to argue with you since even if proven wrong you change the subject or bring somthing else up.

 

Hmm? Firstly,you didnt prove me wrong,infact I proved you wrong with the Darwin fact. Secondly, I dont think I changed the subject...

 

how come lucas forums is so pickey about flaming. ffgurus is crazy, people flame all the time. hear I'm a rebel but there I'm below average.

 

I'm not even sure what the hell you are talking about...

 

Join my mega man story, although it's kinda going out the windo. I plan on starting a fantasy story and mega man thing will just be a side thing. but no one has even written anything on the story forum since I did yesterday.(dec.13).

 

*coughofftopiccough* Now you are changing the subject,ironically.

 

 

well just wanted to add my ad.

 

and I have an expression, instead of take it easy(cause that is basicly telling someone to slack off) I say PRESS ON!(cause that means work extra hard)

 

That relates to the discussion..how..?

 

Christians founded canada and america. If not for christians we would not have had responsible government. a christian who made the world a better place, alexander macdonald.

 

Just because your a christian,doesnt mean you find stuff for it. Christopher Columbus found Canada and America because he wanted to find another route to Asia.

 

Hmmm? I thought that the government was based on morals,I didnt know a religion had anything to do with it..

 

Heh, the Roman Empire and it's religion helped the Western Civiliations a hell of alot more than Christianity. It provided a solid basis for government, it setted examples for western governments basically. All that Christianity did was start a crusade and missions(Although the missioniaries did help find alot of countries, it was made primarily for forcing people to thier religion).

 

So,infact, you can say that the Roman religion and empire made the government responsible.

[TheWhiteRaider]

But I like your biased and ignorant opinions!

 

That was close to a flame you know.

 

 

victims of the First Crusade.

 

Victims of the First Crusade?! DO you even know the history of the Crusades? The muslims attacked first! The Crusades were not "strikes" they were "counter-strikes".

 

All that Christianity did was start a crusade

 

Might I note that the Crusade was to help what was left of the Roman Empire.

 

Funny, I am not a christian and I dont rob,cheat, or harm.(

 

But what holds you to that? How old are you again?

 

P.S.S. Also,I think that the church pressures and indirectly forces people to become Christian,because they keep saying "Become one of us or burn in fiery hell!!!!!".

 

YOU WILL BURN IN HELLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! J/K

 

No - have you any idea fast the the earth is moving about in space? If it suddenly just stopped up (or even slowed down) the inertia would do some pretty nasty things to every living thing on earth, not to mention itself.

 

You also assume that it stopped all at once. Just like in a car you jam on the brakes you are going to notice something, but if you just let go of the gas it will slowly stop without much notice. And I am sure if God is outside of time he could of saw that he needed to stop the earth so he could have thought something up to slow it down and then speed it back up.

 

Also,you have to remember christianity is a relatively new religion.

 

What is your point about it being new? From day one it has had troubles. Remember Nero? You know killing Christains. Oh do you know about how anyone who tried reading the bible for themselves like Martin Luther were often mocked at in the middle ages?

 

And it's true that I'm stubborn, but that's just me.

 

I think everyone in the world tends to be stubborn. In fact 82-98% of the people in the world get their world belief by age 13 and do not change much.

 

Hmmm? I thought that the government was based on morals,I didnt know a religion had anything to do with it..

 

The U.S. was based on the fact that "Man left to his own tool would do evil." As in other word if you give government too much power they would go corrupt. This was part of a Christain concept. The French based their revolt on Voltare's concept that "Religion is what causes war and that if it was taken away that there would be peace on earth." Last time I checked the Frech only beheaded how many people? How many people died in the U.S.S.R? How many died in China? How many died in Cuba? and all those countries tried to get rid of religion.

 

So,infact, you can say that the Roman religion and empire made the government responsible.

 

Last time I checked most of the rulers of the empire were not very responsible. Remember the "Roman Republic" Is different than the "Roman Empire".

 

 

One thing I find to be interesting is that it is exactly 50 years from "Crystall Nacht""](I can not remember how to spell it all in german)[in english "Crystall night] to fall of the Berin Wall. And for those who do not know what Crystall Nacht is it is when the Germans started their campain against the Jews. The Germans broke the windows of Jewish shops and dragged Jews out and beat them in the streets. By the time it was all over there was so much glass on the ground thus giving it the name "Crystall Nacht".

This would go with God's promise to Abraham.

 

 

For the most part I am done with this thread. Perhaps we will meet someday with P.H.D.s(Tyroin with a PHD. That is scary! AHH!! J/K I think Tyrion has a good ability to become smart. It is just if he tries.) and debate then. I think both sides has put in as much as it can. And some of the proof either side has used may at one point be proven true or been proven false.

 

Have a good day gentlemen.

 

Can't wait to see it! Can you scan & post?

 

I wish I could scan, but my scanner is down for the count(Well more the scanner card than the scanner. The scanner will not work with the newer cards and we do not have the money for a new scanner /w a scanner card.). I am searching for a website. I hope to have one soon. If this thread is not around when I do I will P.M. it to you.

[C'jais]

I highly suggest you check out this page.

 

Originally posted by TheWhiteRaider

 

That was close to a flame you know.

 

It depends. He is biased whether he likes it or not (his defination of a Christian is completely made up, without regards to any dictionary whatsoever). And what if he is ignorant? Ignoring fossil records, the radioactive decay of isotopes, the non-decaying speed of light, the massively scientific falsity of the Bible is pretty ignorant in my eyes. Ignoring the outside world is, as they say, ignorant in itself. I don't care if this is viewed as a flame, because it is not a flame. However, notice I'm not saying M54 is a bad person at all, or one that should change his beliefs - I'm just saying that what he believes in is false.

 

Victims of the First Crusade?! DO you even know the history of the Crusades? The muslims attacked first! The Crusades were not "strikes" they were "counter-strikes".

 

Not really. The crusades were set in motion because there was a large amount of unemployed "crusaders", so to speak. It was a time with civil restlessness, and the pope had to do something about it. True, the muslims were creeping up to turkey, but that was not western Europe at all. And what right did this give them?

 

Might I note that the Crusade was to help what was left of the Roman Empire.

 

The crusades were sent to sent to reclaim Jerusalem - the holy city of the Christians (and of muslims and jews as well, not to forget).

 

You also assume that it stopped all at once. Just like in a car you jam on the brakes you are going to notice something, but if you just let go of the gas it will slowly stop without much notice. And I am sure if God is outside of time he could of saw that he needed to stop the earth so he could have thought something up to slow it down and then speed it back up.

 

Again: Assuming, God-gapping and only proof of the negative.

 

 

What is your point about it being new? From day one it has had troubles. Remember Nero? You know killing Christains. Oh do you know about how anyone who tried reading the bible for themselves like Martin Luther were often mocked at in the middle ages?

 

The people couldn't read the bible for themselves - the paper print hadn't been invented yet. And you're speaking as if Catholocists aren't real Christians, just like M54. Did you know Luther liked to burn "witches"?

 

The U.S. was based on the fact that "Man left to his own tool would do evil." As in other word if you give government too much power they would go corrupt. This was part of a Christain concept.

 

Was it? I thought this was common sense. And yes, it was Christians who colonized America first (if you discount the vikings) - but it could just as well have been muslims or buddhists. Europe happened to be Christian at that time (note: it was catholocists who colonized it, not protestants).

 

The French based their revolt on Voltare's concept that "Religion is what causes war and that if it was taken away that there would be peace on earth." Last time I checked the Frech only beheaded how many people? How many people died in the U.S.S.R? How many died in China? How many died in Cuba? and all those countries tried to get rid of religion.

 

The french revolution had very little to do with getting rid of religion. And so did the USSR and China.

 

It's like saying: "Oh look - protestantic priests helped and found excuses in the bible to further the segregation between blacks and whites in USA. They must be evil, and so is Christianity."

 

And some of the proof either side has used may at one point be proven true or been proven false.

 

Our proof has already been proven true. Please do some research that says otherwise.

 

 

I really don't know what to say. I can't be bothered anymore to argue with you since even if proven wrong you change the subject or bring somthing else up.

 

how come lucas forums is so pickey about flaming. ffgurus is crazy, people flame all the time. hear I'm a reble but there I'm below average.

 

Please point me to a place where we have ignored you, changed the subject or brought something irrelevant up.

 

I do not consider you flaming or offensive.

[C'jais]

I'm getting a bit tired of repeating ShadowTemplar, Tyrion, SkinWalker and myself all the time. We have always responded to all of your posts, all of your points (the relevant ones), yet you have not always done so. And now we're getting accused of ignoring you.

 

As far as I can tell, we've proved evolution occurs. We've proved the flood couldn't have occured. We've proved with more than 3 methods that the earth is way older than 10 millions years. We've proved the Bible is not to be taken literally.

 

We've proved the only way to for you to believe in God is to assume he sat all things in motion via a big bang or some such. This could correspond well with "And there was light"-Genesis (if you stop taking it literally).

 

This is not a flame, this is an attempt to update your religion. Catholocists believe in evolution. The pope believes in evolution. Your country is soon all that is left.

[ShadowTemplar]

Originally posted by SkinWalker

 

Stole.... not founded. There were already over 500 nations of perhaps 40 million people residing in the Americas. Now, all that remains is a few thousand living on reservations, popcorn, and a bunch of rivers, streets and professional ball clubs named after them to carry on their legacy.

 

SkinWalker

 

BTW, Black Elk was a prophet.... he prophesized our current relationship with Mother Earth. But as Crazy Horse said to his people: "It is a good day to die." He only meant that they should have no regrets... they lived their lives righteously and that could not be taken by white man.

 

Good point. Really, really good point. While we are on to that, the KKK is also a Christian faction.

 

The basic problem with assuming that Christianity, or, for that matter, any religion, helps morals is that morals change. During the Inquisition burning heretics was a way to save their souls, and, therefore, a morally correct thing, that was not only justifiable, but should even be encouraged.

 

Another example: In some christian communities prevailing opinion is that stem cell research is bad. Well, some ppl think that it is a good thing. Ethics differ. Either admit that religion is a motivational factor for better and worse, that religion has done nothing good for Humanity, or that you are a hypocrite.

[lukeskywalker1]

the bible says everything in plain english or what ever language u read. i would say that the old testament (BC meaning before christ) was lasted for about 10,000 or 11,000 years. and the new testament(AD) is only 2002 years old so really people havent been around that long to evolve. God said he would make people in the image of himself, so if u say people evolved from monkeys ur saying God is a liar.

[C'jais]

Originally posted by lukeskywalker1

ur saying God is a liar.

 

God is not a liar.

 

God is a lie.

 

There's a difference.

[lukeskywalker1]

Originally posted by Cjais

 

God is not a liar.

 

God is a lie.

 

There's a difference.

 

 

ok ok i dont agree with u, but in the end every one has to think who is right and who is wrong, and u can only pick one path in life. have u even picked up a bible???? anyways there is no convincing me and there is no convincing u so why continue this thread????

 

dude i just cant see that there is no god, other wise how did monkeys get here and how did this planet get here, and u cant say it just appeared.

[C'jais]

Originally posted by lukeskywalker1

in the end every one has to think who is right and who is wrong

 

What if there was no right or wrong? Scary.

 

and u can only pick one path in life.

 

Once you're set on a path, you'll find it hard to deviate from it.

 

dude i just cant see that there is no god, other wise how did monkeys get here and how did this planet get here, and u cant say it just appeared.

 

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read revolations the last gospel it has prophecies that are coming true right now if that doesn't make u beleive in the bible i dont know what will. think about it how 2000 years ago could somone have a dream about the future and its coming true right now and will continue to come true until the end of the world. if it can be right about the future why cant it be right about the past?????