Kryllith Posted January 14, 2003 Posted January 14, 2003 Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad Kryllith- they should be SP only because they wouldn't need to be balanced. Simple enough, don't worry about balancing them. Tell people upfront that they are NOT equal powerwise from the outset and are meant to be used as a fun civ. Once told, people who trying playing ewoks 1 vs 1 MP (or similar odds) against a regular civ and complain about being weak will just get laughed out of discussions anyway. Shouldn't limit it to simply sp though. In addition to an all ewok mp game, I'd also enjoy playing mixed numbers ewoks vs. regular civ (say, 3 people playing ewoks vs. 1 person playing a regular civ)... on either side. Kryllith
lukeiamyourdad Posted January 14, 2003 Author Posted January 14, 2003 well it can...but...maybe not on the "zone" or whatever they are gonna create to play an MP game. maybe just direct connection...
CorranSec Posted January 15, 2003 Posted January 15, 2003 Luke's dad: No, I agree with Kryllith- they'd be a lot of fun on the Zone. Of course, all players (no matter whether they're using or playing against a secret civ) must have unlocked the civs.
Admiral Vostok Posted January 15, 2003 Posted January 15, 2003 Fair enough I guess Smugglers and Hutts would be different in some ways. And I'd much sooner see a Jawa or Tusken civ than an "actual Hutt" civ. I agree with Sith in that "mini" civs which we see in the campaigns (Jawas, Tuskens, Ewoks, Trandoshans, maybe even Bursas) are prime candidates for secret civs. So my vote for the two civs would be Ewoks and Jawas (since we have seen a lot of Jawa culture and stuff).
CorranSec Posted January 15, 2003 Posted January 15, 2003 It seems we've finally proved that Vostok has no concept of fun. The whole point of the secret civs is to have something that's ridiculous, comical, unbalanced (generally underpowered) and a lot of fun to play. The Ewoks and "True Hutts" fit this bill perfectly. I mean, where's the fun in playing an underpowered civ that isn't particularily exciting or comical? Or if you use an overpowered one, it'd be just like using cheats.
Admiral Vostok Posted January 15, 2003 Posted January 15, 2003 I resent that Corran. How is what I suggested "not fun", not "particularly exciting", or "overpowered"? I'm merely stating my preferences for secret civs. Jawas would be just as "comical" as Ewoks. I'd just prefer them to Hutts, which wouldn't particularly excite me. If Hutts do it for you, that's fine, but not me.
CorranSec Posted January 15, 2003 Posted January 15, 2003 The "True Hutts" would be big, funny-looking, funny-moving, and funny when swarming evil people in waves with blasters. Jawas are shrewd, Jawas are tricky, Jawas can lie, Jawas can cheat. I just don't see how they'd be that funny, that's all.
Admiral Vostok Posted January 15, 2003 Posted January 15, 2003 I wasn't aware being extremely comical was a pre-requisite for secret civs. If it is then I vote for Hutts all the way, but I just think Ewoks and Jawas are more suited to Luke's Dad's original criteria. How is that having "no concept of fun"?
CorranSec Posted January 15, 2003 Posted January 15, 2003 Oh, well, I just thought that was the point. Stupidly amusing civs (eg. Ewoks throwing stones at stormtroopers) seem to be what we're looking for. -Finish the Game to see them and play with them -Not really balanced -Only available in Single Player -Just for FUN civs! Just for FUN civs is the main point here, and I think that comical is always more fun. After all, the Jawas sound more like a serious civ choice (or as units for Windu's old idea of a Tatooine civ...).
clonedjedi Posted January 15, 2003 Posted January 15, 2003 lol a hutt in a fighter it would be good but the kamino have a better chance at being a civ than the hutts do. and no im not saying they should be a civ. hutts definately for a secret civ they could be traders and missions in the game. yeah and ewoks being weaker will be upsetting for those ewok fans well if they do turn it into a proper civ im sure they could make up stuff like they did for some other untis that were not in the movies. how about instead of ewok using aa missiles they through spears and have a mobile spear missile system hitting air units lol but i dont think it is official but a great idea. but i would rather more diversity in the other civs then have secret civs.
lukeiamyourdad Posted January 15, 2003 Author Posted January 15, 2003 I guess you don't understand what secret civs will be. They are supposed to be completely just for fun so the guys at LA can just like make them without to much effort. I would really like it if my idea was official!
CorranSec Posted January 17, 2003 Posted January 17, 2003 I understand what a secret civ is, Luke's dad. And I think it should be official too.
Sithmaster_821 Posted January 17, 2003 Posted January 17, 2003 I think that the Jawa/Tusken civs would be great. Usable in the campaigns as well as fun to play. And no need for balance or making sure that they have units that dont fit (like air/mechs). Corran, the Smugglers/Hutts also fit in this category. The three secret civs should be: 1. Ewoks 2. Smugglers/Hutt Cartel 3. Tatoonie/Jawa/Tusken Oh, you mean player-made campaigns. But I thought they'd be able to be used as a civ. No I meant in the real campaigns. You'd probably never play as them or fight solely secret civs, but they will still be in the campaigns. Example: When the Endor Scenerio(s) are being made, they can just use an Ewok civ as the Rebsally, instead of having to do complex triggers.
CorranSec Posted January 17, 2003 Posted January 17, 2003 Oh, I think I understand it now. When you unlock the secret civs, you can play as them in the campaign missions instead of the normal civ. Is that right? Smugglers Union and Hutt Cartel by no means should be secret civs. They're perfectly suited for balanced civs and are among the most prominent EU civs. Would you put the New Republic as a secret civ? There's plenty of material on them, they'd make perfect enemies and great, balanced civs. Keep them as normal civs! Please!
Admiral Vostok Posted January 17, 2003 Posted January 17, 2003 I think Sith means this (and this is how I think they should work anyway): At the moment in SWGB1 in the Endor level there are Ewoks who are the Rebel's ally. In the scenario editor you can get Ewok Warriors, Ewok Healers, Ewok Hang-gliders, Ewok Catapults, Ewok Huts and Ewok Military Buildings, and most if not all of these appear in the Endor. If secret civs came into being, all of the things I listed above would be buildable and playable like a real civ, only not balanaced and pretty underpowered. And that civ would be seen as a "proper" civ being an ally in the Endor level. You probably wouldn't be able to replay the Endor level as the Ewoks instead of the Rebels. They would operate exactly as they do now, except when you unlock them you can actually play as them in multiplayer games. I don't know if I'd like to see the Tuskens and Jawas forced into the one civ. They don't even get along, let alone join forces. Tuskens by themselves would be pretty boring though. But Jawas you could have Ranged Jawas, Melee Jawas, Sandcrawlers, and maybe some wacky explosive droids or something.
CorranSec Posted January 17, 2003 Posted January 17, 2003 Oh, right. Let me see if I understand it: If it took place in the current GB, in the Endor level the Ewok Huts etc. would be able to actually produce Ewoks, Ewok Gliders, Ewok Catapults, and so on. Is this right? Yeah, Tuskens and Jawas together sounds bad, and so do Tuskens in general. Hey, I can see how the Jawas could be cool. Maybe they could build Jawa Droidbuilders, who create droids from resources (eg. a metal-like resource), and then the droids can be modified by Jawa Tinkerers to explode, or have blasters, or have melee weapons, and so on. That'd be fun! You'd have whole armies of these crazy droids, all with different abilities...
Admiral Vostok Posted January 17, 2003 Posted January 17, 2003 Yeah that would be cool. "Uncle Owen! This R2 unit has a bad motivator!" "That ain't all it's got, kid!" KABOOM! Hey, maybe it was actually Jawas who killed the Lars instead of stormtroopers!
CorranSec Posted January 17, 2003 Posted January 17, 2003 Yeah! And maybe some of the droids could split into bits- eg a droid's arm falls off and starts whacking stormtroopers around, its legs start kicking buildings.... :D
lukeiamyourdad Posted January 18, 2003 Author Posted January 18, 2003 LoL that would be funny:D . Anyway, I still think we should have Ewoks and Real Hutts and maybe a third civ. But A weird Jawa Civ would also be cool!
CorranSec Posted January 18, 2003 Posted January 18, 2003 I say the Jawas should be the third civ. Did you mean to post that three times?
lukeiamyourdad Posted January 18, 2003 Author Posted January 18, 2003 Oups... i'm sorry about that... please can a mod delete them? OR YOU could try deleting them through the EDIT button:evanpiel: -darthfergie
swphreak Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 Ewoks and Turn the People at LA and LFL into an army. I think they'd get a kick out of it. Make a bunch of Lucases or whatever. And their mechs can be Minivans or whatever they drive. i think that would be funny.
Admiral Vostok Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 LOL! Or make a civ out of that yellow stickman guy from the LucasArts logo.
swphreak Posted January 24, 2003 Posted January 24, 2003 They can be the troopers and such. GL can be the Jedi Master, and that guy who plays Jar Jar can be a slave or worker...
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