obi Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 Agreed, Cjais. As I recall someone saying somewhere, "Religion is good. Religions are bad." I find this a valid and logical remark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 Originally posted by ninja see, i have my own views on certain religions, but i dont go around insulting the users in the forum. i can handle criticizm, but lashing out at others thats not cool. Was that an insult to Cjais? He didn't do anything except put up an arguement which is exactly what this thread was supposed to do. And obi I don't quite get that quote lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninja Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 @ reborn outcast. see its guys like you who start trouble. instagating stuff. first if you dont know the flavor of the kool-aid. second how the hell did my reply indicate i was insulting cjais. me talking about not insulting others in this forum was a concern from someone who replyed earlyer. i just went on to showing a good example. state your views but not insult others. insulting others is not cool. i was'nt even speaking to cjais. i was speaking to all. get your info right before you say something about me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 Ok ninja I admit I went overboard a little. But just wondering, did you read all 120 posts in this thread before you posted or did you just read the last page... just wondering, I'm not trying to start something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Solar Posted January 25, 2003 Author Share Posted January 25, 2003 Hahaha.. It seems no-one really remembers anymore what this thread was supposed to be about. Somehow it turned into an argument about whether or not Christianity is dumb. The point of the thread was the alledged hypocrisy of "christians". But by all means - don't let that little detail bother you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 Originally posted by Luc Solar The point of the thread was the alledged hypocrisy of "christians". But by all means - don't let that little detail bother you... Yes and I'm sorry to say that for the most part it is true. From the song, "What If I Stumble" -DC Talk The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians. Who acknowledge Jesus with their lips and then walk out the door and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable. So true and yet so sad, I admit that I still do that sometimes, all Christians do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted January 25, 2003 Share Posted January 25, 2003 Originally posted by Reborn Outcast all Christians do. No, many do. Not all. I am not trying to be self-rightouss, but I don't... and obi i don't quite get that quote I meant that having one person believe something is good. However, put him in a room with someone who doesn't,give them a pair of boxing gloves,cause it's most likely gonna turn out bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meadfish Posted January 26, 2003 Share Posted January 26, 2003 HA!! You thought I was gone! I am, but I wanted to clear up one other item.......Catholics are definitely NOT being mind controlled by kung fu fighting squirrels from the planet of Gmekzrooos!! Sorry, had to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted January 26, 2003 Share Posted January 26, 2003 Originally posted by meadfish HA!! You thought I was gone! I am, but I wanted to clear up one other item.......Catholics are definitely NOT being mind controlled by kung fu fighting squirrels from the planet of Gmekzrooos!! Nice try Prove it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted January 26, 2003 Share Posted January 26, 2003 Originally posted by obi-wan13 No, many do. Not all. I am not trying to be self-rightouss, but I don't... I meant every once in a while, not consistantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Solar Posted January 26, 2003 Author Share Posted January 26, 2003 Originally posted by meadfish Catholics are definitely NOT being mind controlled by kung fu fighting squirrels from the planet of Gmekzrooos!! Cjais is right. If you don't have any scientifical proof to back that up... And it's Gmeczroosh, not "Gmekzrooos"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_Ivan Posted January 29, 2003 Share Posted January 29, 2003 Im a Christian...born and raised....and I know it gets incredibly boring sometimes.....and it seems the lectures are cyclical. Most seem to go in a circle BUT What you put in it is what you get out of it. Enough Said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegietto Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 i am a true christian i just don't go to church, well i do go sometime but not much andi do read the bible but not very often as i should but i am a true christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prometheus Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 I won't hash out the details of Christian validity as I feel God can do that for us Glad to see people arent afraid to show there beliefs here. The gaming community as a whole sits behind an image of non attachment to anything remotely resembling God. For those who care to look I come from here - http://www.christiangaming.org/redeemed we are a Christian JO clan and have a great community. I dont need to advertise anymore. Its easy to become caught up in worldy ways by denying God... but its good to see most of you dont have any issues with that sort of pride. God bless - happy gaming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 Originally posted by Prometheus Its easy to become caught up in worldy ways by denying God... but its good to see most of you dont have any issues with that sort of pride. Caught up in worldy ways? Explain yourself. And it's imspossible to deny something that hasn't been proven, that isn't fact and that has not yet been connected with the objective world. Denying facts, on the other hand, can easily be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prometheus Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 lol ... denial is comparative to simple non belief or acceptance. People denied that the world was round all the while not having tangiable evidence that a single person had fallen off the edge. is is NOT impossible to deny something that hasnt been proven. you really need to redefine deny or denial bub otherwise you'll stumble over your own fallacies. The denied the fact that it IS round because the were able to explain that concept way with something more "logical" ... the same way people find ways to explain the non existance of God. While it would never be in my best interest to force someone like yourself to accept the existance of God, conceptually we are to desire God and to have faith in his existance and plan for mankind. By all means i am no shepard .... but i have come from a secular life of always asking God to show up ...to a life where I realize he exists and waits those who seek him faithfully. As far as "worldy ways" thats definately a subjective term that people like myself shouldnt throw around. but I think my perception of it is simply living life according to mans law ..or mans social norms ... rather than Gods Law. Sometimes I justify things that are accepted in society ..but would be probably not be accepted by God. In that case I become REAL sinner because I know right from wrong. but thats between God and I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeskywalker1 Posted February 27, 2003 Share Posted February 27, 2003 Originally posted by C'jais Sorry Obi, I was thinking aloud. I meant what I said though, I truly do believe that there aren't any other real ways to become Christian these days. That's just how it has always seemed to me, here in heathen Denmark. Over here, anyone who calls himself a Christian has probably never prayed, read the Bible or gone to church apart from the usual ceremonies. Not kidding. They simply believe there's a higher power and leave it at that. But hey, if it's different conditions over there, I'll gladly listen. I pray every night, something different. ive read the entire bible, and still read it every day. i go to church almost every sunday. im a christian. and im going to stay a christian no matter what. and your wronge about your 2 ways, people become a christian. i wasnt like that....i read the bible before i even knew what a christian was...so i already knew stuff, and was kind of following God but not really, then my mom became a christian, and she told me the next day, and i decided to become a christian too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted February 28, 2003 Share Posted February 28, 2003 Originally posted by Prometheus lol ... denial is comparative to simple non belief or acceptance. Let me remind you that you are denying God's non-existance. While it would never be in my best interest to force someone like yourself to accept the existance of God, conceptually we are to desire God and to have faith in his existance and plan for mankind. Why? What practical use does this have for the community? And what has God done for us anyway? Don't just say he created everything, because there is no reason to belive that, and that is totally a statement based on lack of knowledge of the nature around us. Who invented the car? Humans, not God. Who are making it possible to visit other planets? Humans, not God. Why give all the credit to a guy that hasn't done anything? Ok, let's see it this way: I am a God and am all-powerful. I made the flowers, the bees, animals, planets, everything. And now I have written it down on a book. You shall belive in me or despair, because I am right and everyone who disagrees with me are wrong. Now, tell me what is the difference between me and your God? Why is it easier to belive in the other god than in me? In that case I become REAL sinner because I know right from wrong. but thats between God and I. There is no right or wrong. I hate the fact that people belives right and wrong exists. You have no idea how many lives that statement have costed, how much misery it has created, and the whole right-wrong thing can be killed with logic. But if anyone here still belives in right and wrong, then tell me: What is right? What is wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_Ivan Posted March 1, 2003 Share Posted March 1, 2003 The bible is a book. "Good start" you all say. But you have to remember about the Old Testament and well the New Testament that: Jesus always told parables. As a Christian, I also believe that the Bible itself is a set of parables that are there to guide us or better ourselves. One time on a trip with my church (As long as im Christian and have a relationship with God, the name doesnt matter), This girl sitting next to me refered to the Bible as "Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth". Now your probably thinking, "hmm this seems strange," but if you think about it for a long enough time, it helps us better ourselves. The story of Adam and Eve tells us that we should listen to God. The story of Noah tells us that we should trust in God. The story of Jonah and the Whale teach us that God is always there. All of these examples were from the Old Testament. Now, about Organized Religion. Its had its ups and downs as a whole. Im not Catholic, but I realize they have some pros and cons like everything. I dont believe you can worship a Pope, when that position was more of a political nature ages ago. The Great Schism, an event hundreds of years ago, was where there were actually 2 popes! One French Pope was elected and he moved the Papacy to Avanion France. After some years everyone got angry and elected ANOTHER pope to reside in Italy. Each pope denounced each other as "The AntiChrist." In short, there are problems in how we, as humans, interpret teachings. It may seem like in ranting Catholics, I truly tried not to. I was just using The Great Schism as an example to show that organized religion can foul up at times. But we must always remember that Interpretation of God's Teachings is what differs between the many different forms of Christianity. I am a devout Christian that does not hide behind Jesus as a mask. I don't preach about sinning and then go commit one. Sin is something that may be unavoidable. But God teaches us that Sin is forgiveable. But Guilt is the downside to a sin. God also entrusts us with a conscience. We have the power to decide right and wrong. If we choose poorly, we are forgiven by our Creator, but Guilt haunts us. So, in short, some Christians are hypocrites. I may be sometimes, but I go on living a life and repenting what I have done. Im sorry for harping like this but thanks for listening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted March 1, 2003 Share Posted March 1, 2003 Originally posted by JM Qui-Gon Jinn Let me remind you that you are denying God's non-existance. Isn't that circular reasoning which you so hate? Godd explanation Crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted March 1, 2003 Share Posted March 1, 2003 Originally posted by Reborn Outcast Isn't that circular reasoning which you so hate? It is not circular reasoning to see there's no proof of God's existence. Which means there's no reason to believe he exists. Godd explanation Crazy. ´ While it was a fine theological speech, we can't use it for anything. What the Bible says is irrelevant, as it cannot prove itself. The story of Adam and Eve tells us that we should listen to God. God cannot be measures or observed, meaning there's no reason to believe in him. The story of Noah tells us that we should trust in God. The fairy tale of Noah, while uplifting, is simply not true and can thus be discarded except as a moral reminder (which we can easily get from other, less false sources). The story of Jonah and the Whale teach us that God is always there. You can't survive in a whale's stomach, no matter what the Bible tells you, making it in fact dangerous to believe, as you'll be more inclined to wait for God to come to the rescue. There's no air. There's no water. There's a very strong acid in the stomach that will immediately start to decompose and digest you. All of these examples were from the Old Testament. Of all the books I've read, the Old testament is the most bloody, self-defeating load of poodoo I've ever laid my eyes on. The new testament is alright, if the "Revelation" part of it is discarded. Otherwise it's the same, crappy, false and hypocritical dung. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted March 1, 2003 Share Posted March 1, 2003 Actually, the Bible never says a whale swallowed Jonah. It just said a "big fish." I don't know if that means much, just a small fact to post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munik Posted March 2, 2003 Share Posted March 2, 2003 Another small fact is that while the Bible may not have said a whale swallowed Jonah, Jesus sure as sh*t did(matthew 12:40). Oh, wait.....yep, after rechecking the facts, I can confirm matthew is a book in the Bible. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn Outcast Posted March 2, 2003 Share Posted March 2, 2003 Originally posted by munik Another small fact is that while the Bible may not have said a whale swallowed Jonah, Jesus sure as sh*t did(matthew 12:40). Oh, wait.....yep, after rechecking the facts, I can confirm matthew is a book in the Bible. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Umm there is a book in the Old Testament that is called Jonah and in CHAPTER 1 IT TALKS ABOUT JONAH BEING SWALLOWED BY THE FISH. So umm... please read before you post. Jonah 1 The word of the LORD came to Jonah son of Amittai: 2 "Go to the great city of Nineveh and preach against it, because its wickedness has come up before me." 3 But Jonah ran away from the LORD and headed for Tarshish. He went down to Joppa, where he found a ship bound for that port. After paying the fare, he went aboard and sailed for Tarshish to flee from the LORD . 4 Then the LORD sent a great wind on the sea, and such a violent storm arose that the ship threatened to break up. 5 All the sailors were afraid and each cried out to his own god. And they threw the cargo into the sea to lighten the ship. But Jonah had gone below deck, where he lay down and fell into a deep sleep. 6 The captain went to him and said, "How can you sleep? Get up and call on your god! Maybe he will take notice of us, and we will not perish." 7 Then the sailors said to each other, "Come, let us cast lots to find out who is responsible for this calamity." They cast lots and the lot fell on Jonah. 8 So they asked him, "Tell us, who is responsible for making all this trouble for us? What do you do? Where do you come from? What is your country? From what people are you?" 9 He answered, "I am a Hebrew and I worship the LORD , the God of heaven, who made the sea and the land." 10 This terrified them and they asked, "What have you done?" (They knew he was running away from the LORD , because he had already told them so.) 11 The sea was getting rougher and rougher. So they asked him, "What should we do to you to make the sea calm down for us?" 12 "Pick me up and throw me into the sea," he replied, "and it will become calm. I know that it is my fault that this great storm has come upon you." 13 Instead, the men did their best to row back to land. But they could not, for the sea grew even wilder than before. 14 Then they cried to the LORD , "O LORD , please do not let us die for taking this man's life. Do not hold us accountable for killing an innocent man, for you, O LORD , have done as you pleased." 15 Then they took Jonah and threw him overboard, and the raging sea grew calm. 16 At this the men greatly feared the LORD , and they offered a sacrifice to the LORD and made vows to him. 17 But the LORD provided a great fish to swallow Jonah, and Jonah was inside the fish three days and three nights. Theres you go. The story of Jonah in the Old Teatament Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munik Posted March 2, 2003 Share Posted March 2, 2003 Yeah, no sh*t. Thanks for pointing that out. Read the passage I listed, then read the post before mine which I was refering to, then re-read the post I made the first time, then, very slowly, go back and repeat the process. Now, the part where he says its a fact that it doesn't say whale in the bible, when in fact it does say whale in the bible...yeah, you know the post I'm talking about, you're probaly re-reading it right now...well, THAT IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. Fer christs sake, he said the Bible, not the Book of Jonah. Don't get all uppity and make put you back in your place again. It embarasses both of us. Now maybe you should take your own advice: So umm... please read before you post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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