Natty At School Posted March 18, 2003 Share Posted March 18, 2003 We're all going to die and most likely melted by a nuclear bomb, hope they're happy with themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al-back from the BigWhoop Posted March 19, 2003 Share Posted March 19, 2003 well, when a mod closes a topic, we expect him to explain y he did it... anyways, tony blair looks happy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meksilon Posted March 19, 2003 Share Posted March 19, 2003 Personally I don't like war, I don't think we should go to war, but in a way I do think Sodom (hehehehehe) needs to be disarmed and he needs to be taken out of power. I think this will be a legal war so lets hope for a fast result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brief Posted March 19, 2003 Share Posted March 19, 2003 Originally posted by Al-back from the BigWhoop well, when a mod closes a topic, we expect him to explain y he did it... No, not really. We rule with iron fists, didn't you know? I don't know why it was closed, but it did sound rather trollish, so I guess that's why it was closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadmeat_X Posted March 19, 2003 Share Posted March 19, 2003 Trollish but true...they CAN kiss Natty's ass...doesn't mean they want to but...they COULD... What I think is that the message was very good, the wat it was said was effective...but not too...(enter difficult word here)...dunno... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brief Posted March 19, 2003 Share Posted March 19, 2003 With (such a high profile) war looming at the corner, it's hard to justify not keeping this thread open, as thoughts and opinions on the war will inevitably cross everyone's mind at some point. However, I can also see why a thread like this would be closed... This subject is likely to attract a lot of noise, yet achieve very little. It's my experience that in debates like this, it would be a rarity for one side to sway the opinion of the other, and would ultimately end up with bitter name calling and generally a low level of intellectual discussion or maturity. As for Natty's comment--Do you honestly believe that Bush would nuke the place? If so, please, stay in school and study harder, because your ignorance is beyond comprehension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted March 19, 2003 Share Posted March 19, 2003 the war is turning into a game of cat ad mouse. bush keeps giving 24 hrs and when the UN doesn't agree, he gives them more time. bush is scared of fighting without the power of the UN and sadam is'nt giving in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al-back from the BigWhoop Posted March 19, 2003 Share Posted March 19, 2003 well, no more time now, neil. its a matter of hours now... i would really hate being from iraq. when its not Sadam burn their arses, its US+England Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted March 19, 2003 Share Posted March 19, 2003 Originally posted by Al-back from the BigWhoop its a matter of hours now... yep, and it was a matter of hours two days ago. like i said, it's can and mouse here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al-back from the BigWhoop Posted March 19, 2003 Share Posted March 19, 2003 i dunno neil, in the brazilian news it is said that bush will attack within the next 12 hours... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remi Posted March 19, 2003 Share Posted March 19, 2003 Bombing of targets in southern Iraq has already started, so yeah, it's well on its way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brief Posted March 19, 2003 Share Posted March 19, 2003 Originally posted by Al-back from the BigWhoop i dunno neil, in the brazilian news it is said that bush will attack within the next 12 hours... Well, Bush's speech was phrased in a way that there would be a lot more flexibility in the time: the US will invade "at an hour of our choosing"--this means that the US military is not necessarily going to strike right when the 48 hours are up, but can take place much later. Obviously, there are many reasons for phrasing it like this. By not being specific, the military will still have a certain element of surprise, even though an attack is certain. But more importantly, the climate plays a big role in battle--if there are large sand storms (which is, I'm told, common in that area around this time of year), it would be impossible to attack, as the soldiers will be barely able to see each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicardoLuigi... Posted March 19, 2003 Share Posted March 19, 2003 i dunno much about this because, well, i don't watch the news everyday or anything. plus, i'm a freakin 8th grader. so all i'm gonna post is this: saddam hosain has 2 and a half hours to get out of iraq! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acrylic Posted March 19, 2003 Share Posted March 19, 2003 Originally posted by Suuri Yksl i dunno much about this because, well, i don't watch the news everyday or anything. plus, i'm a freakin 8th grader. so all i'm gonna post is this: saddam hosain has 2 and a half hours to get out of iraq! Do you honestly think hes gonna? I mean, do you think bush would get out of the us if saddam told him? NO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Natty Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 I didn't mean nuke the place literally, sheeeesh Was it just me or did I find Bush's speech literally offensive? I'm really sure he's doing this out of the kindness of his heart. Oh and where the hell was John Howard the other day when everyone else was in Portugal? Hello? Will be watching his speech with great interest tonight- hope he has a good excuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acrylic Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 War has started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 Originally reade by Bush ‘We’ll accept no outcome but victory’ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Text of Bush’s address to the nation March 19 — Following is the text of President Bush’s address to the nation Wednesday night after U.S. forces launched air raids in Iraq: My fellow citizens: At this hour, American and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm Iraq, to free its people and to defend the world from grave danger. On my orders, coalition forces have begun striking selected targets of military importance to undermine Saddam Hussein’s ability to wage war. These are the opening stage of what will be a broad and concerted campaign. More than 35 countries are giving crucial support, from the use of naval and air bases, to help with intelligence and logistics, to the deployment of combat units. Every nation in this coalition has chosen to bear the duties and share the honor of serving in our common defense. To all the men and women of the United States armed forces now in the Middle East, the peace of a troubled world and the hopes of an oppressed people now depend on you. That trust is well placed. The enemies you confront will come to know your skill and bravery. The people you liberate will witness the honorable and decent spirit of the American military. In this conflict, America faces an enemy that has no regard for conventions of war or rules of morality. Saddam Hussein has placed Iraqi troops and equipment in civilian areas, attempting to use innocent men, women and children as shields for his own military — a final atrocity against his people. I want America and all the world to know that coalition forces will make every effort to spare innocent civilians from harm. A campaign on the harsh terrain of a nation as large as California can be longer and more difficult than some predict. And helping Iraqis achieve a united, stable and free country will require our sustained commitment. We come to Iraq with respect for its citizens, for their great civilization and for the religious faith they practice. We have no ambition in Iraq except to remove a threat and restore control of that country to its own people. I know that the families of our military are praying that all those who serve will return safely and soon. Millions of Americans are praying with you for the safety of your loved ones and for the protection of the innocent. For your sacrifice, you have the gratitude and respect of the American people. And you can know that our forces will be coming home as soon as their work is done. Our nation enters this conflict reluctantly, yet our purpose is sure. The people of the United States and our friends and allies will not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with weapons of mass murder. We will meet that that now with our Army, Air Force, Navy, Coast Guard and Marines, so that we do not have to meet it later with armies of firefighters and police and doctors on the streets of our cities. Now that conflict has come, the only way to limit its duration is to apply decisive force, and I assure you this will not be a campaign of half-measures, and we’ll accept no outcome but victory. My fellow citizens, the dangers to our country and our world will be overcome. We will pass through this time of peril and carry on the work of peace. We will defend our freedom. We will bring freedom to others, and we will prevail. May God bless our country and all who defend her. if he expects this to be over any time soon, he's got another thing coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicardoLuigi... Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 acrylicguitar- Do you honestly think hes gonna? I mean, do you think bush would get out of the us if saddam told him? NO! uh, NO!!!!!!!! i never even said i thought he'd get out. it was really obvious he wouldn't. brief- like the picture razzor 1- good thing someone banned you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acrylic Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 Originally posted by Suuri Yksl acrylicguitar- uh, NO!!!!!!!! i never even said i thought he'd get out. it was really obvious he wouldn't. Dont gotta get mad bro. Just saying, He wouldnt never leave his country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meksilon Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 I found Bush's speach to be very well written. And Blair has argued his case very very well Natty, in fact the majority of the English are now in favour of war. I don't think Howard has been treated very fairly, he's not been given a good opertunity to talk about the advantabges of this war because his interviewers are only interested in pointing out that Saddam's wepons were given to him, that he hasn't used any in the last 12 years. However Saddam is so brutal and downright mean and evil, his brutality is just aweful. I think it's important to get rid of him to allow for more responcible leadership in Iraq. This is the mark of Mekslion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadmeat_X Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 This is the mark of Deadmeat, and He saw that it wasn't good at all... Bombings on bagdad last night. Several bombs landed in the centre. Deaths: dunno, but probably a lot. But hey, this time it's America who's killing harmless civilians, so now it's allowed right? I mean if some muslim flies into the WTC, hell breaks loose...but if Christians, white people, Americans, kill just as many Iraq citizens, it seems to be allowed...they are the bad guys right? Wake up. The people from Iraq aren't the bad guys. Just as we, the people from Iraq are normal people, who want peace, a future, who don't want war, but still support their leader. Why? Cause they believe in what he's doing. Cause they don't wanna believe in Bush - the leader of the 'bad guys'. Are they indoctrinated? Yes. Are we? Yes. Just as much. And both sides think their not. That the whole problem. You can't really tell who's right and who's not. Everyone is influenced to think what their leader want them to think in some way... So then how look at this, if you can't say if we're right or wrong? Bush' answer seems to be to pretend he's right. My answer is a little more honest: In my humble opinion, war is the last thing we want. The last. No conditions, no questions asked, war is ALWAYS wrong. Mek, you spoke about the advantages of war. There are non. At least, not for us. Not for the people that are killed by the bombs, not for the people that threw them. Sure, the threat might go, but that could also have been accompliced in other ways. Peacefull ways. The thing that really strikes me, is that, unlike the previous wars, the USA this time doesn't even PRETEND to attack only military targets. The centre of Bagdad...only civilians are killed. And, at the end of this war (wich will last 3 years and 7 months according to Nostradamus I heard), the deaths will be: 20% military...80% civilians...Houssein still alive and free...results: all supporters of Houssein will retaliate, USA will lose many supporters, chaos. In the end, we won't gain a thing, and everyone will be a loser... Brief, you said you didn't think Bush would nuke Australia...of course he won't. But Saddam might. And IF he has those weapons, IF he means to use them, he's probably waiting for an excuse...and what better excuse than a war? Sorry Nat, don't mean to make you scared...but it's a possibility... Some time ago, there were elections here. Thet're now still busy forming the govournement. The CDA (right) and the PvdA (left) are almost as big, so they'll have to rule together. But because of Iraq, the new govournement will probably faal before it's even created. PvdA said that if Holland would choose to support the war, they would step of the formation...CDA supports the war...Their leader, Balkenende, is gutless. He's just following the USA like a puppy...damn idiot...like they even care...instead, it would be much better if 'we' would follow the example given by Belgium and Germany: say NO to war, no mather why... Another big guy in the CDA recently said the worst thing you can prbably say about this: "Those against the war, support Iraq". The guy should be shot just for that...it makes me proud to be 'left', who oppose war...Mek, I don't wanna sound prejucided or anything, but your probably 'right', no? (right = conservative, in favor of the war). Just a guess... In the end, we're all losers...let's pray that we can get away with it once more... (my god...I surprise myself...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadmeat_X Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 Something I just across... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Eggplant Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 [align=center] WAR BIRDS Don't wish too hard you will only find they stay cruel cold beak lines the War Birds are here to stay trim lined in silver cast from the cogs in the machine designed by the peace movement war is perfectly real threat on the horizons past the fumes from the stacks gather at the rally for the War Birds are back and Black, Gold, and Green funded American\UK\Ozzy\Iraqi dreams like the fiery Phoenix in numbers they rise from the flames of anti-war campaigns to scourge land and sea for world supremacy Manifest Destiny; Don't wish too hard or fight Philosophers of peace keepers of war alight do not wish too hard the War Birds are here to stay. [/align] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicardoLuigi... Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 deadmeat_x, war isn't wrong if you're defending democracy and killing a leader that has access to chemical and biological weapons and can terrorize another country. on top of that- he's not trying to kill civilians. he is trying to take out saddam hussain because he will be the one killing civilians with his weapons. he didn't cooperate with weapons inspectors, and he passed the deadline to leave iraq. he had completely fair warning and decided that he wanted to be on the hit list. think about it. if it was your country he was after, and he had the potential to kill you with chemical weapons, wouldn't you kinda want to get rid of him so you could keep living? especially after he completely disobeys the requests to get rid of his weapons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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