Thoughts on the War with Iraq

[GreenJediGrinch]

Bye.

[Pisces]

I support the war. Everyone wants Saddam out of their. On CBC, it just showed Iraqi citizens running up and hugging marines. They were also helping to rip- down large posters of Saddam that were pinned on buildings and they were hitting the posters too. There was also quotes from Iraqi soldiers themselves saying they weren't going to get in America's way. They owed nothing to Saddam and the sooner he was brought down the happier they'd be.

 

Everyone wants him out, America's taking him out. Works for me.

[legameboy]

alright my last post i was groggy and i screwed things up, and i will quit posting from a religous point of view so i dotn tick people off,

 

Saddam has already started burning oil wells, he is destroying the main resource of the Iraq economy thats what i was saying

 

Saddam is a dictator, he issues deaths with one word, he tortures his own people, he has torture and rape chambers and he uses them often, he is a Lenin with nuclear weapons, he waves a banner saying hes a threat, he forces injustice upon his people and like i said before he uses them as guine pigs using his nuclear and biological weapons on them, the USA cannot tolerate it, they are going to Iraq to eliminate Saddam and all his regime

 

civilian deaths have already occur, but i quote

Civilian deaths may occur, but remember this war is aimed at the suppresors of Iraq, not the people.

it is the normal sacrifice for freedom

 

i would like to use an example, if the united states of america was taken over a dictator just like saddam, would sweden or the UK want to come and liberate the suffering people, or would sweden want to be liberated if a dictator came that slaughtered tortured and raped its own people?

 

Ill be quite now

 

Id like to say God Bless America, and the troops in Iraq, bless anyone that does and/or doesnt support the war

[Genesis16]

I have something to say about the whole religious part of this conversation. It is definently true that there was alot of war in the old testatment, it is also true that alot of the stuff in the old testament is not to be taken litteral anymore, (the whole pork thing) (btw the pope has no idea what he is talking about when he says war is a sin) the fact is that God in many instances in the bible says "Go and crush your enemy" EX: David vrs. Goliath, David's Kingdom vrs. Many different kingdoms through out the old testiment. God protects his people, that is why I believe that the US is so successful, that even though there is alot of evil in this country, there is alot more good, and those who trust and love God.

 

If you need more from the New Testament to satify you, God definently states that, "the wraith of God should be feared, no human". Also in the book of revalations God destroys 1/3 of everything in the world through different ways, when i say everything I mean it. EX. 1/3 of the stars will fall from heaven, 1/3 of the animal on sea, land, and air will die. 1/3 of the people on earth will die. 1/3 of the harvests will be ruined. And you know what it mentions that war will defiently be something that gets us there.

 

I really don't think that this will be the begining of the end, for the begining of the end has already begun

 

And I defenently see this war being a really good thing for a decade or 2 to come, but the truth of the matter is the "democracy" we will set up there will only last that long. It doesn't work with the system of beliefs for the muslim, they believe in totally different things that we as Americans do. We believe in the right of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. As individuals. They believe in the better good of the community. And that if someone rises to power it is because God "Alah" (or however you spell that) put them there for a reason. I can almost guarantee you some bully comes along in the 20 year's from now, and knocks whoever it is out of power. If we really want to achieve something we have to get rid of Iraq as a state, and devide it up, give the north to the Kurds to make there out state (which is all they really want, they don't want Iraq) Help them set up a good democracy and make them more powerful to balance the Iran vrs. Iraq conflict (like the fact that we don't want to get rid of a stable state, for fear of Iran gaining more and more power) give some of the south to the Shi'ites to make there own, we wouldn't have to worry about them, because they are practically cousins with the people in Iran, and give the rest of the country to Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Jordan, to split, and make them happy. Ohh, then make a stronger pact with Greece, and help the Greeks stop the oppression of the Turks. To bad this will NEVER happen, because our ties with our "supposed" allies are to strong.....

 

Once again we ARE NOT ATTACKING THEIR CIVILIANS!!!!! I have been watching mtv some because they are showing more personal views of the war. From people from both sides. The people in Iraq are happy this is happening. (of course they are scared to die, I mean it is war, I won't lie. It could happen!) but they think it's worth it. not to mention we haven't cut off any electricity or water to their homes, and are sending something like 800 tons of food over to them it could be 800,000 but I can't remember exactly. (but I would doubt it that much, all that really matters is that it is enough to feed the Iraqi people for 2 months while they rebuild their economy, which I'm sure U.S. will help with.)

 

A side note, just in case you haven't noticed, the economy is horrible right now, war always helps the economy, and it has already, even with the short time the war has been going on. Check out the stocks!

 

It is SOOOOOOOO $%^&ing ridiculous with all the protesters out there! You know what, I deffinently think that people have right to speak their mind, but you know what it pisses me off to see America rioting and &%^* when we need to be united, and you know what pisses me off the most??!!! WE need to support our brothers and sisters who are fighting this war!!! That has got to be the most discourageing this ever! to be fighting for something and not have everyone backing you. The other thing is, the protesters want something done NOW NOW NOW! well you know what??? They don't even come close to makeing a majority! if you look at the stats of this poll alone, it's clear! And every other poll is the same! Majority goes to the people who are for the war, so shut your cake holes! (the poll here right now is 9 in favor of the war, 3 in favor of our troops, and 3 against the war) It's just upsetting because its not like you go rally for the war, it seems pointless. But it makes it seem like everyone is against the war, when clearly this isn't the case.

 

Something I should make clear. I bet you more than half of the people in the US think we lost the war in Vietnam. We only lost the political battle! Because of all the damn protesters we couldn't finish the job, yes I agree that we shouldn't have EVER started that stupid war in the first place, but as long as that many lives were lost. WE should have finished it!!! the US lost around 54,000 troops, and Vietnam lost....in the millions. (now i'm am once again not saying I think this war should have EVER started in the first place, 54,000 troops is 54,000 to much. But my point is, since we gave up they lost their lives for nothing) We were close to our goal of getting rid communism in Vietnam, our result, it spread to south vietnam. So yes we lost the war because we didn't acheive our objective, but we could have, and it would have helped!

 

The reason I bring this up, is because this is simply not the case, in which the Iraqi's have something to fight for, and are just more motivated and just wont' quit. First sign of American troops they throw down thier guns, and run toward us with out reached arms. So we shouldn't be protesting something that could be over in a matter of months. Just my opinion. Sorry it was so long!

 

BTW: Me and a BUNCH of my friends are going to make picket signs, and go support the war (instead of protest) on a street corner, probably somewhere downtown. Then you protesters can see how annoying it is from the other side.

 

OHHH another side note: Please....half the people protesting have no idea what is going on in the world, they are just hippies from the old days shouting for peace, when they don't know whats going on. I though I was going to be sick at some of the bull$%!& they were spouting! And I'm not saying everyone! because clearly we have some well educated people on this board who are all entitled to their opinion.

[Genesis16]

BTW: legameboy, stand by your **** man, don't let anyone push you around! Don't make excusses for anything! Who cares what they think!

 

I don't have any hostile feelings for anyone on this board, nor predjudice feelings to any one race of people for what happened on 9/11, nor anything other thing for that matter, only the personal relationships I have with people who are ignorant.

[legameboy]

alright thnx genisis and i agree with you, the war is already started and our troops are out the in the battlezone, they need support the need good moral, but not backing them up and not support the war that has already started is like leaving them in the sand to die

 

this war will be short, but why do we keep on protesting! yes lives will be lost and there will be a lot of damage but quit being critical and look at the war, we're going there to liberate Iraq and give them a new democratic government that they are going to be proud of, we're going there to destory saddam and his brothers, saddam is a diobalical fanatic and he has to be stopped

 

we need to get our head out of the ground and look around

[setsuko]

Why we keep protesting?

 

Because A: This war is against international law

 

and B: it is against humanitarian rights.

 

I won't write more on the issue, since there is little to gain from it (both parties are so far from each other that we are just speaking beside each other). But these are two of the main reason why we should not support it.

[GreenJediGrinch]

I don't know how many of you have heard this, but listen to this. The guy speaking is an Iraqi who immigrated to the US, and the girl, I assume, is a protester.

 

It's a little long, but worth listening to.

 

 

 

http://komo1000news.com/audio/kvi_aircheck_031003.mp3

[Jan Gaarni]

That one has already been posted by Repta.

[Genesis16]

Ok i'm not argueing your points Set, but I am a little curious. What international laws are we breaking? and what humanitarian rights are we breaking?

 

after listening to that thing by the Grinch, the point is made. I believe nothing else can be said after that!

[swphreak]

I agree with the man. How do you suppose we stop Saddam without going to war?

[setsuko]

You break the international law of state souvereignty, which means that no country has the right to attack another county unless

 

A) the security council of the UN has passed a resolution, based on a majority wote

 

or

 

B) the other country has attacked your country, within your countrys borders.

 

Since neither of these conditions are fulfilled, the war is a clear violation of the international laws that were passed after WW2, made to prevent another world war. An unilateral war without mandate from the UN, which we are seeing now, is definately against international law.

 

And the war is a lenghtening of the crimes agains human rights that has gone on since 1990, with the Gulf war. As I posted before, the coalition action (such as the weekly bombings of infrastructure such as water cleaning plants) and the 12 year old sanctions does mean that several millions of civilians has died, among them 500 000 children under the age of 5, no matter if you believe it or not. And, one of the human rights is that you should be free to live in your own country without other countries attacking you (unless one of the two conditions are fulfilled, see top). And, now that Turkey has entered northern Iraq, a lot of Kurds are going to get massacred. And as you might guess, genocide is against the human rights too.

 

 

 

And no, I don't think it is possible to stop the war with protests. But it is important to voice the pro-peace opinions, since this is not an isolated event, but a part of the new agenda from the Bush administration, that involves dismissal of international laws and 'preventional wars', which means wars that has no solid ground, but are deemed necessary anyway. And that is a dangerous path to walk, both for the rest of the world (since we are the ones who has to live in fear of USA) and USA (who loses their allies like crazy right now, and also lose the respect from the common men in rest of the world, a lot of countries in Europe and Asia has some 70-80% of their population being against the war, and mind you, this is a war with SADDAM!). This polarizes the world, making gaps where there is no need for them.

 

If we are to be able to stay friends with USA, Bush has to stop being a bully. It is that simple, most people see the "you're with us or against us!" rhetorics as a clear threat. Think of it yourself, if it was Vladimir Putkin or Jiang Zemin who said it, admit you wouldn´t like it? And I want to be friends with the USA, but with these goings on, it is very hard for me.

 

EDIT: And starwarsphreak, I don't say that there was 100% sure that a peaceful solution was possible. But there was a peaceful solution being worked on, Hans Blix reported that while Saddam wasn't 100% cooperative, the cooperation was getting better by the day. There was a chance that there could be a peaceful solution, but Bush ignored that and rolled over the UN. If this peaceful solution was attempted, and then failed, then I would rally behind Bush. But not now, when it is sure that he was never interested in a peaceful solution.

[Genesis16]

You know what Set? I agree with alot of the things you said in your last post.

 

A couple notes though, many many more people died under the rule of Saddam, then ever died in the War! Not to mention tortured, etc. (I have no proof, so don't ask me, I'm refering to the tortured part.)

 

The part you talk about the Turks envading northern Iraq....I hate Turkey!!! I think it is the biggest load of **** ever! We do need to have some control over the black sea, through the ports off of instanbol. I still wish we could break our ties with Turkey, and have Greece take care of them! I really ****ing like how We keep our end of the deal, by letting them invade northern Iraq, (which I am totally, and completely against!) But they don't keep their side of the deal by letting our airplanes fly over their "no fly zone" or whatever.

 

Something I need to say, I really think we could have come to a peaceful solution despite what anyone say, for I had confirmations through some of my christian friends that had visions, that if enough people would have prayed for Saddam to step down, he would have, I think we rushed into it bull headed! And it pisses me off! It doesn't show the UN very much respect by clearly going against the mandate. (check further down the post, on my opinions about the UN) But the fact IS!! that none of that happened, war is here! It is time to put that all behind us! It is history from here on out, and start looking at whats going on around us. The US is solving the problem their own way now. It may have been rushed into, or whatever else can be said. But it is solving the problem! I think people should except it, and support the troops, support Bush, support the war effort, and support what we are trying to do.

 

If I was another country right now, I would probably be upset, at the whole "your with us or against us" but if you would look beyond that, and see why we are fighting this war. It would unite us all. But people are only looking at it from the perspective of "your with us or against us" and it is creating alot of tension that I disagree with.

 

 

 

My opinions on the U.N., etc.

The only reason the US even made the UN is so that we could sway other countries to our way of thinking! It may sound messed up, but it's the way it is, and it's not going to change! It's not some rule making system that decides what is in the best intrest of the US! I'm sorry, we may have strong alliances with some of the countries in Europe, but the truth is, if there is going to be a terrorist attack, it's going to be on American soil! Not France, not Germany, America!!! So i am going to support the war until it ends! The protesters piss me off! They just want peace, but ****, peace comes at a price, and so does freedom. It pisses me off how many people are ignorant to that fact! No one handed us our freedom, we had to fight for it! Just like the people of Iraq are fighting against Saddam, by just giving up and not fighting! It seems like, since we have been born into freedom, we are spoiled, and don't know what it is like on the other side!

[setsuko]

Again, your 'freedom comes at a price' is a quite selfish argument, since those who pays the price are the civilians in Iraq, not you.

 

And yes, even though the war IS here, it is important to point out how much the rest of the world hates illegitime wars. Because that is the only way to prevent ANOTHER illegitime war after this, and ANOTHER after that, and ANOTHER.... we have to set down our foot and say 'Not In Our Name'.

 

See my point? We have to look at this in the long perspective.

 

And sorry, nothing personal, but 'visions from god' are just as insignificient in the science of international affairs as Bush's rhetorics that "God bless America above all other countries". Sorry, they didn't include that in the university courses on the subject, at least.

[Genesis16]

Illigetimate war, ok what would your country do in our situation, and don't say nothing! I was just watching the news, and it appears France has joined us, why have they done this? Is it because they are looking out for the good of France??? Well considering that the Iraqi republic is burning oil wells, and France has billions of dollars invested in their oil, well **** that's odd....(by the way 5-6 oil wells is nothing in the big scheme of things [200] but it is apparently enough to make France join in.)

 

If anyone has heard different, please inform me. I have just been trying to keep updated.

 

 

Please stop with the damn "civilians in Iraq" bull****! they have made it clear that leaving Saddam in power is perspectively killing more Iraqi civilians in the

long perspective

of things. Then this war will cause. And yes civilian lives will be lost, but significantly less, i guarantee it. (btw: sorry if my spelling sucks, but I don't really care)

 

I guess where we are miss communicating is how you keep refering to this war as "illegitimate" as where I don't see, fighting in OUR best intrest is illegitimate. And you won't be able to understand that being in Sweden, because Sweden does just about as much in this world, as Mexico does. No offense to you personally. (Also saying that, having family in Sweden, and having Swedish roots)

 

BTW: Dont ****ing mock or patronize me or my religion! If you want to make some sort of connection with me.

 

and if I sound like I took the defensive, you know why...

[Pisces]

Originally posted by setsuko

See my point? We have to look at this in the long perspective.

 

We are. Leaving Saddam in would kill more people in the long run than the war would. If the war killed, say 2000 innocents by the time it was done (could be more, less, whatever just using an example), if you take the war out of the picture and see it as though Saddam had been left in power, he'd have killed that many in a short while. And then he'd continue killing.

 

You could say that after a few years the number of innocents equals out to if Saddam had been left in power. Although that's a little morbid, harsh and I prefer not to think of it like that. Just an example.

[legameboy]

according to that mp3 sum1 posted on this thread over 2 million Iraqies have died! that is not even near the casualties that have and will occur, why dont the protesters listen to the people from that country! the protesters are saying "Leave the people to die there!" the immigrants from Iraq want war they want saddam out of there and they realize that civilians will die, but it is a small price to pay for millions of people

 

if sweden had an airplane crash into their presidential palace or a building with over 10,000 people in it, how would sweden feel once they found out who supported and commited the act? i dont think they would just stand there and go "God bless you dear brethren," they would want to fight against terrorists and get rid of the threat

 

international laws dont really matter, its the national laws combined that matter, as long as you have sum1 important backing you (UK, France, Canada) your alright, humanitarian rules apply to what? if a civilian dies in a war and the good side wins, would that be good or would you not want the civilian todie and bad side win

 

think about the war and think whats whats not, it adds up to good things about the war not bad, and now i dont know why we even call this a war, its more like a skirmish, the Iraqian soldiers are surrendering and hugging the marines that freed them, we are trying to save iraq not destroy it, some destruction may happen, but in the long run it was more than worth it to fight this war

[GreenJediGrinch]

This is not an illigitimate war. Read all of the UN Security Cousel's resolutions reguarding Iraq, since the end of the first war:

 

**UNSCR 1441 - November 8, 2002**

 

Called for the immediate and complete disarmament of Iraq and its prohibited weapons.

Iraq must provide UNMOVIC and the IAEA full access to Iraqi facilities, individuals, means of transportation, and documents.

States that the Security Council has repeatedly warned Iraq and that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations.

 

**UNSCR 1284 - December 17, 1999**

 

 

Created the United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspections Commission (UNMOVIC) to replace previous weapon inspection team (UNSCOM).

 

 

Iraq must allow UNMOVIC "immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access" to Iraqi officials and facilities.

 

 

Iraq must fulfill its commitment to return Gulf War prisoners.

 

 

Calls on Iraq to distribute humanitarian goods and medical supplies to its people and address the needs of vulnerable Iraqis without discrimination.

 

 

**UNSCR 1205 - November 5, 1998**

 

 

"Condemns the decision by Iraq of 31 October 1998 to cease cooperation" with UN inspectors as "a flagrant violation" of UNSCR 687 and other resolutions.

 

 

Iraq must provide "immediate, complete and unconditional cooperation" with UN and IAEA inspectors.

 

**UNSCR 1194 - September 9, 1998**

 

 

"Condemns the decision by Iraq of 5 August 1998 to suspend cooperation with" UN and IAEA inspectors, which constitutes "a totally unacceptable contravention" of its obligations under UNSCR 687, 707, 715, 1060, 1115, and 1154.

 

 

Iraq must cooperate fully with UN and IAEA weapons inspectors, and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.

 

**UNSCR 1154 - March 2, 1998**

 

 

Iraq must cooperate fully with UN and IAEA weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access, and notes that any violation would have the "severest consequences for Iraq."

 

**UNSCR 1137 - November 12, 1997**

 

 

"Condemns the continued violations by Iraq" of previous UN resolutions, including its "implicit threat to the safety of" aircraft operated by UN inspectors and its tampering with UN inspector monitoring equipment.

 

 

Reaffirms Iraq's responsibility to ensure the safety of UN inspectors.

 

 

Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.

 

**UNSCR 1134 - October 23, 1997**

 

 

"Condemns repeated refusal of Iraqi authorities to allow access" to UN inspectors, which constitutes a "flagrant violation" of UNSCR 687, 707, 715, and 1060.

 

 

Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.

 

 

Iraq must give immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access to Iraqi officials whom UN inspectors want to interview.

 

**UNSCR 1115 - June 21, 1997**

 

 

"Condemns repeated refusal of Iraqi authorities to allow access" to UN inspectors, which constitutes a "clear and flagrant violation" of UNSCR 687, 707, 715, and 1060.

 

 

Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.

 

 

Iraq must give immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access to Iraqi officials whom UN inspectors want to interview.

 

**UNSCR 1060 - June 12, 1996**

 

 

"Deplores" Iraq's refusal to allow access to UN inspectors and Iraq's "clear violations" of previous UN resolutions.

 

 

Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.

 

**UNSCR 1051 - March 27, 1996**

 

 

Iraq must report shipments of dual-use items related to weapons of mass destruction to the UN and IAEA.

 

 

Iraq must cooperate fully with UN and IAEA inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.

 

**UNSCR 949 - October 15, 1994**

 

 

"Condemns" Iraq's recent military deployments toward Kuwait.

 

 

Iraq must not utilize its military or other forces in a hostile manner to threaten its neighbors or UN operations in Iraq.

 

 

Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors.

 

 

Iraq must not enhance its military capability in southern Iraq.

 

**UNSCR 715 - October 11, 1991**

 

 

Iraq must cooperate fully with UN and IAEA inspectors.

 

**UNSCR 707 - August 15, 1991**

 

 

"Condemns" Iraq's "serious violation" of UNSCR 687.

 

 

"Further condemns" Iraq's noncompliance with IAEA and its obligations under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

 

 

Iraq must halt nuclear activities of all kinds until the Security Council deems Iraq in full compliance.

 

 

Iraq must make a full, final and complete disclosure of all aspects of its weapons of mass destruction and missile programs.

 

 

Iraq must allow UN and IAEA inspectors immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.

 

 

Iraq must cease attempts to conceal or move weapons of mass destruction, and related materials and facilities.

 

 

Iraq must allow UN and IAEA inspectors to conduct inspection flights throughout Iraq.

 

 

Iraq must provide transportation, medical and logistical support for UN and IAEA inspectors.

 

**UNSCR 688 - April 5, 1991**

 

 

"Condemns" repression of Iraqi civilian population, "the consequences of which threaten international peace and security."

 

 

Iraq must immediately end repression of its civilian population.

 

 

Iraq must allow immediate access to international humanitarian organizations to those in need of assistance.

 

**UNSCR 687 - April 3, 1991**

 

 

Iraq must "unconditionally accept" the destruction, removal or rendering harmless "under international supervision" of all "chemical and biological weapons and all stocks of agents and all related subsystems and components and all research, development, support and manufacturing facilities."

 

 

Iraq must "unconditionally agree not to acquire or develop nuclear weapons or nuclear-weapons-usable material" or any research, development or manufacturing facilities.

 

 

Iraq must "unconditionally accept" the destruction, removal or rendering harmless "under international supervision" of all "ballistic missiles with a range greater than 150 KM and related major parts and repair and production facilities."

 

 

Iraq must not "use, develop, construct or acquire" any weapons of mass destruction.

 

 

Iraq must reaffirm its obligations under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

 

 

Creates the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM) to verify the elimination of Iraq's chemical and biological weapons programs and mandated that the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) verify elimination of Iraq's nuclear weapons program.

 

 

Iraq must declare fully its weapons of mass destruction programs.

 

 

Iraq must not commit or support terrorism, or allow terrorist organizations to operate in Iraq.

 

 

Iraq must cooperate in accounting for the missing and dead Kuwaitis and others.

 

 

Iraq must return Kuwaiti property seized during the Gulf War.

 

**UNSCR 686 - March 2, 1991**

 

 

Iraq must release prisoners detained during the Gulf War.

 

 

Iraq must return Kuwaiti property seized during the Gulf War.

 

 

Iraq must accept liability under international law for damages from its illegal invasion of Kuwait.

 

**UNSCR 678 - November 29, 1990**

 

 

Iraq must comply fully with UNSCR 660 (regarding Iraq's illegal invasion of Kuwait) "and all subsequent relevant resolutions."

 

 

Authorizes UN Member States "to use all necessary means to uphold and implement resolution 660 and all subsequent relevant resolutions and to restore international peace and security in the area."

 

 

 

 

In addition to the legally binding UNSCRs, the UN Security Council has also issued at least 30 statements from the President of the UN Security Council regarding Saddam Hussein's continued violations of UNSCRs.

 

UN Security Council Presidential Statement, June 28, 1991

UN Security Council Presidential Statement, February 5, 1992

UN Security Council Presidential Statement, February 19, 1992

UN Security Council Presidential Statement, February 28, 1992

UN Security Council Presidential Statement, March 6, 1992

UN Security Council Presidential Statement, March 11, 1992

UN Security Council Presidential Statement, March 12, 1992

UN Security Council Presidential Statement, April 10, 1992

UN Security Council Presidential Statement, June 17, 1992

UN Security Council Presidential Statement, July 6, 1992

UN Security Council Presidential Statement, September 2, 1992

UN Security Council Presidential Statement, November 23, 1992

UN Security Council Presidential Statement, November 24, 1992

UN Security Council Presidential Statement, January 8, 1993

UN Security Council Presidential Statement, January 11, 1993

UN Security Council Presidential Statement, June 18, 1993

UN Security Council Presidential Statement, June 28, 1993

UN Security Council Presidential Statement, November 23, 1993

UN Security Council Presidential Statement, October 8, 1994

UN Security Council Presidential Statement, March 19, 1996

UN Security Council Presidential Statement, June 14, 1996

UN Security Council Presidential Statement, August 23, 1996

UN Security Council Presidential Statement, December 30, 1996

UN Security Council Presidential Statement, June 13, 1997

UN Security Council Presidential Statement, October 29, 1997

UN Security Council Presidential Statement, November 13, 1997

UN Security Council Presidential Statement, December 3, 1997

UN Security Council Presidential Statement, December 22, 1997

UN Security Council Presidential Statement, January 14, 1998

 

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*****EDIT*****

 

Read this article here: http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030321-023627-5923r

 

Here is an excerpt:

 

 

"A group of American anti-war demonstrators who came to Iraq with Japanese human shield volunteers made it across the border today with 14 hours of uncensored video, all shot without Iraqi government minders present. Kenneth Joseph, a young American pastor with the Assyrian Church of the East, told UPI the trip "had shocked me back to reality." Some of the Iraqis he interviewed on camera "told me they would commit suicide if American bombing didn't start. They were willing to see their homes demolished to gain their freedom from Saddam's bloody tyranny. They convinced me that Saddam was a monster the likes of which the world had not seen since Stalin and Hitler. He and his sons are sick sadists. Their tales of slow torture and killing made me ill, such as people put in a huge shredder for plastic products, feet first so they could hear their screams as bodies got chewed up from foot to head."

 

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Here is another article worth reading:

 

http://www.nationalreview.com/goldberg/goldberg.asp

 

Here are some excerpts:

 

"No Saddam Hussein!" called one young man. "Bush!"

 

"Another young man named Abdullah cheered the arriving Americans. "Saddam Hussein is no good. Saddam Hussein a butcher."

 

"An old woman, dressed all in black, hugged an American woman. And knelt at the feet of the Americans."

 

Here is the best one:

 

 

If the war goes well and the people of Iraq are saved, let the useful idiots cheer the liberation if they like. Let them applaud the alleviation of famine and disease should they feel so inclined. Indeed, let them claim all they like that they wanted all of these good things too. But don't let them forget that they never believed these things would be worth it if the price was letting America have its way.

 

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Here is another article worth reading:

 

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-03-21-division-surrenders_x.htm

 

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Here is another:

 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,5944-619488,00.html

[swphreak]

I also just saw this, and thought it was touching:

 

Now I know why.

 

I sat in a movie theater, watching "Pearl Harbor" and asked myself, "Why weren't we prepared?"

 

Now I know why.

 

Civilized people cannot fathom, much less predict, the actions of evil people.

 

On September 11, dozens of capable airplane passengers allowed themselves to be overpowered by a handful of poorly armed terrorists because they did not comprehend the depth of hatred that motivated their captors.

 

On September 11, thousands of innocent people were murdered because too many Americans naively reject the reality that some nations are dedicated to the dominance of others. Many political pundits, pacifists and media personnel want us to forget the carnage. They say we must focus on the bravery of the rescuers and ignore the cowardice of the killers. They implore us to understand the motivation of the perpetrators. Major television stations have announced they will assist the healing process by not replaying devastating footage of the planes crashing into the Twin Towers.

 

I will not be manipulated.

 

I will not pretend to understand.

 

I will not forget.

 

I will not forget the liberal media who abused freedom of the press to kick our country when it was vulnerable and hurting.

 

I will not forget that CBS anchor Dan Rather preceded President Bush's address to the nation with the snide remark, "No matter how you feel about him, he is still our president."

 

I will not forget that ABC TV anchor Peter Jennings questioned President Bush's motives for not returning immediately to Washington, DC and commented, "We're all pretty skeptical and cynical about Washington."

 

And I will not forget that ABC's Mark Halperin warned if reporters weren't informed of every little detail of this war, they aren't "likely -- nor should they be expected -- to show deference."

 

I will not isolate myself from my fellow Americans by pretending an attack on the USS Cole in Yemen was not an attack on the United States of America.

 

I will not forget the Clinton administration equipped Islamic terrorists and their supporters with the world's most sophisticated telecommunications equipment and encryption technology, thereby compromising America's ability to trace terrorist radio, cell phone, land lines, faxes and modem communications.

 

I will not be appeased with pointless, quick retaliatory strikes like those perfected by the previous administration.

 

I will not be comforted by "feel-good, do nothing" regulations like the silly "Have your bags been under your control?" question at the airport.

 

I will not be influenced by so called,"antiwar demonstrators" who exploit the right of _expression to chant anti-American obscenities.

 

I will not forget the moral victory handed the North Vietnamese by American war protesters who reviled and spat upon the returning soldiers, airmen, sailors and Marines.

 

I will not be softened by the wishful thinking of pacifists who chose reassurance over reality.

 

I will embrace the wise words of Prime Minister Tony Blair who told Labor Party conference, "They have no moral inhibition on the slaughter of the innocent. If they could have murdered not 7,000 but 70,000, does anyone doubt they would have done so and rejoiced in it?

 

There is no compromise possible with such people, no meeting of minds, no point of understanding with such terror. Just a choice: defeat it or be defeated by it. And defeat it we must!"

 

I will force myself to:

 

 

 

- hear the weeping

 

- feel the helplessness

 

- imagine the terror

 

- sense the panic

 

- smell the burning flesh

 

- experience the loss

 

- remember the hatred.

 

I sat in a movie theater, watching "Private Ryan" and asked myself, "Where did they find the courage?"

 

Now I know.

 

We have no choice. Living without liberty is not living.

 

-- Ed Evans, MGySgt., USMC (Ret.)

[legameboy]

sometimes the United States of America thinks its invincible and thats when we are the weakest

[SSO_DarthVader_]

Yo, I support this war. I'm pretty sick and tired of all the anti-war protestors, going around...

 

"We want peace! We want peace! Hey...break into that car! Better yet, block the road!"

 

...its pathetic. Basically, to put in generalization on the reasons why I think we should be in this war...

 

1) Saddam has been fooling around for too long, and needs to be taken out by force.

 

2) We'll finally be freeing the people up, from a cruel regime.

 

...pretty basic, like I said, a generalization. Don't like it? Well build yourself a bridge, and jump off it!

 

The U.N. is really messed up these days, here's one example...

 

For the head of the United Nation's Humanitarian Aid, they elected the leader of Lebanon (forgot his name)! This guy, is known for treating his own civilians, like literal crap. I don't know all the details to "how", but thats what I heard.

 

If the United Nations was reliable, why do they have this freak as the head of the Humanitarian Aid? I have lost a lot of respect for the UN, and can careless what the hell they do.

 

 

If you want to burn flags, do me a favor. Wrap yourself with the US flag, and set yourself on fire. Hopefully you'll have relatives, which will sweep up your remains.

 

Oh btw, I'm Anti-AntiWar.

 

 

(This post was not directed to anyone)

[SSO_DarthVader_]

Oh one more thing I forgot to add. I've seen recent footage, of Iraqi civilians in one town, which was liberated by US/UK troops. You know what they were doing?

 

THEY WERE CELEBRATING!

 

Full grown men were jumping around, yelling with big smiles on there faces. And what I found amusing was, when a US Marine was taking down a portrait of Saddam from a wall. One of the Iraqi civilians ran up to the picture, and smacked the face of Saddam, with his shoe repeatedly.

[Genesis16]

Those articles are incredible! by the way Star Wars Phreak, that thing you posted was awsome! Every day I wish I could voice my opinion to the American hippies protesting, make them open their eyes a little. And even though I will never be able to do that, debating in this board has made me feel a little better about things.

 

Did any of you watch the acadamy awards? I thought i was going to throw up when that dumb ass took the stage to recieve the war and started saying "Shame on you Bush" the only thing that made me feel a little better is that everyone boo'd him off the stage, then made fun of them when they were gone! heheh dumb ass!

 

Also, if you come and read this board all the time, and never pick a question on the poll, please do so, if you have been following up on the contents of this debate, your opinions are appriciated.

[GreenJediGrinch]

Hey guys, I thought this was relevant:

 

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31679

 

And I thought inspections were working.....yea right.

[legameboy]

We're gonna need a crowbar to open the anti-war protesters eyes. "No war lets block the streets and hijak a couple of people's cars yeah come on!" lol *pulls out crowbar*