ShockV1.89 Posted April 23, 2003 Share Posted April 23, 2003 Not through where he posted it, but what the topic was. Religion. It doesnt matter where it is. It will always be argued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldritch Posted April 23, 2003 Share Posted April 23, 2003 Originally posted by RpTheHotrod The charge was blasphemy. To those who believe, He was not guilty because He WAS who He claimed to be. But those who believed were very much in the minority at the time, so he was guilty of breaking the laws of the dominant society/culture. This will probably be my last post period for these forums. I'm saddened to see what has happened to these forums. I can't even make a simple poem post without someone wanting to turn it into a debate. It's just not even worth it anymore. I'll do whatever when I get back from work, but for now...UPS calls me. You're saddened because not everyone agreed with or liked your poem and raised objections? If you're holding out for universal popularity of your opinions, you're going to be sorely dissapointed. And besides, it's not considered just a simple poem by everyone. For example, if I were to write a poem about the truth of science and how everyone who believes in religion is deluded and uninformed, you don't think you'd have something to say about it? If you post things in a public area, expect it to be discussed and potentially debated - not everyone agrees all the time. It's no reason to leave LF, though. You'd only be depriving yourself of the contact with the people in here that you do enjoy talking with. Originally posted by ZBomber Great. Thanks alot guys. Hope your happy. There goes one of my friends. He's making the decision to leave because he doesn't like hearing opposing viewpoints. That's his fault, not anyone elses. And like Shock said... posts like that will always be debated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZBomber Posted April 23, 2003 Share Posted April 23, 2003 They have a point.... Its up to you if you wanna leave, but I don't want you to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpTheHotrod Posted April 23, 2003 Author Share Posted April 23, 2003 Originally posted by Eldritch But those who believed were very much in the minority at the time, so he was guilty of breaking the laws of the dominant society/culture. You're saddened because not everyone agreed with or liked your poem and raised objections? If you're holding out for universal popularity of your opinions, you're going to be sorely dissapointed. And besides, it's not considered just a simple poem by everyone. For example, if I were to write a poem about the truth of science and how everyone who believes in religion is deluded and uninformed, you don't think you'd have something to say about it? If you post things in a public area, expect it to be discussed and potentially debated - not everyone agrees all the time. It's no reason to leave LF, though. You'd only be depriving yourself of the contact with the people in here that you do enjoy talking with. He's making the decision to leave because he doesn't like hearing opposing viewpoints. That's his fault, not anyone elses. And like Shock said... posts like that will always be debated. First...it wasn't moved to the senate until AFTER people started debating. Now for the previous quote... I'm not leaving because peole don't agree with me, I already TOLD YOU WHY. I just posted a simple poem, that's IT...but someone decided to go into a debate. I don't CARE whether I agree or disagree with them. The point is someone decides to take over a post and try to form it to their will, which ends up making the entire post off topic and pointless and the mods eventually lock it. All forums these days seem to just end up in fights and flames...no matter what the topic is. I just heard of a concept, decided to throw together a poem, share my poem, and you all jump on my back. btw ZBomber, you're a cool kid, keep it up. and your PM inbox is full. Contact me on AIM sometime (Mine is RpTheHotrod) [go figure] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted April 23, 2003 Share Posted April 23, 2003 Originally posted by RpTheHotrod I just posted a simple poem, that's IT...but someone decided to go into a debate. To go into a debate? First of all, you have to take the poem's content into consideration as well - people can discuss that if they want. Secondly, no one, no one at all, went into debate mode all of a sudden, just because Munik decides to tell everyone how people were crucified. In fact, it's pretty much on the topic, and by no means debating. The point is someone decides to take over a post and try to form it to their will, which ends up making the entire post off topic and pointless and the mods eventually lock it. Dude, that's bollocks. Really big bollocks. You don't decide to take over a thread like this. The subject changes, even if there wasn't one specified in the beginning of it. Topics change and mold themselves to suit the flow of the posts. You can't really do anything about it, trust me. But don't, please don't, assume that this was done because we're malicious people on this board. We. Are. Not. Out. To. Get. You. If something happens that hurts you, it's nearly always because of carelessness. Nobody changed the topic because we wanted to hurt you. Get real, man. I just heard of a concept, decided to throw together a poem, share my poem, and you all jump on my back. This is the crux of the matter - we don't all jump on your back. Try reading the thread again, but this time, with the glasses of empathy on. Assume that whatever offends you is caused by us being stupid fools - not us trying to bully you. Assume that we're just wanting to respond to statements in the thread we disagree with, or that we have an opinion on, not that we're purposefully trying to steer the thread wildly off piste or that it means we hate your poem. I liked that poem. But we can't spend an entire thread clapping our hands, can we? I mean, that's not even remotely realistic to demand of this place. And remember, rule number 1 of internet forums: Never take it personal. Don't let it get to you, because the internet will always be chock full of whiny dicks whom you disagree with. Just ignore those, and have fun with the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpTheHotrod Posted April 23, 2003 Author Share Posted April 23, 2003 I'm not expecting this thread to get 200 replies. Don't really care of it got none at all. Just wanted to share it. Just someone decides to point out all the flaws in it how it's "unrealistic", giving a "if you're gonna do something, then do it right" towards me. All I wanted was to share something I did and I get people who are trying to prove how "uneducated" I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munik Posted April 24, 2003 Share Posted April 24, 2003 Originally posted by RpTheHotrod This will probably be my last post period for these forums. If only this were true. So I guess that means we can carry on with the discussion without interuption then, right? Originally posted by ShadowTemplar A common misconception. Rope would prolong his suffering. Do you have any idea of how long you can hang on a cross? For a great many days, surely longer than Jesus did. The Romans prodded him with spears and nailed him to the cross because they wanted him to die quickly and get it over with. Before those who were to be crucified were fixed to the cross, they were scourged. For those who know not, scourging is the act of stripping the man down, tying him face first to a post, and lashing his back and ass with a whip or cat o' nine tails type of instrument. It's this scourging that could most likely account for something like half the deaths on the cross, or be a contributing factor. The length of time spent on the cross was something between one to three or four days, depending on the severity of the scourging. Jesus lasted 6 hours. We can safely assume that he was beat senseless, and the fact that he did not bear his own cross beam most likely meant that his physical condition was very poor because of the scourging. The Romans did not prod jesus with spears to hasten his death. He was pierced once, but this was after he was already (supposedly) dead. The Romans also did not nail him to the cross to hasten his death. They nailed everyone to the cross, as that was the way Romans crucified people. The nails in no way would bring death, only pain. Originally posted by ShadowTemplar Easter was coming up, y'see, and the Romans couldn't execute people during easter, or there'd be a popular uprising. And they didn't dare have him in prison, because they were afraid that his terrorist friends would come along and jailbreak him. You do know Easter is the christian holiday celebrating the death and resurection of jesus, right? The reason why was because of the upcoming sabbath. Easter wasn't a holiday untill after this event. The suffocation you mentioned was also another way of dying on the cross. It is caused by hanging from your hands, your chest muscles are in a constant state of contraction similiar to when you exhale. So it makes it very difficult to breath. This is why the use of nails is so sinister, because you need to lift or pull your body up to be able to get a decent breath, yet this is when the nails would cause the most pain. This can cause death by lack of oxygen, or can be a contributing factor when combined with all the other evils of the cross. Anywho, I got a link here or two for ya, so you can check out my sources. One of those links also has a big ol' list of sources, but most might be unattainable for the casual reader. Originally posted by C'jais What's with the fascination with metal? It couldn't possibly be a metaphor for something else, like an Apache helicopter? HA! That stupid locusts thread still gets me heated. I had such a great reply thought up when it got locked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpTheHotrod Posted April 24, 2003 Author Share Posted April 24, 2003 C'Jais...your inbox is full. What is your e-mail, or clear out your inbox and tell me when you do. Either that or contact me in aim at RpTheHotrod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C'jais Posted April 24, 2003 Share Posted April 24, 2003 Originally posted by RpTheHotrod C'Jais...your inbox is full. What is your e-mail, or clear out your inbox and tell me when you do. Either that or contact me in aim at RpTheHotrod Inbox cleared (thought I just did that recently lol ) Don't have this AIM business, but I'll PM you my MSN email, if that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mex Posted April 25, 2003 Share Posted April 25, 2003 i think this thread should have been closed by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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