WJTW Posted May 8, 2003 Share Posted May 8, 2003 Like people said before my post, having some of the characters around would've ruined the story flow. The OT kind of set a small but significant limit on the characters Lucas can use. Oh... and the Emperor... he was killed too soon as well, and this is in the OT. The Emperor's cool. WJTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Rive Posted May 9, 2003 Share Posted May 9, 2003 Originally posted by HertogJan I think Darth Maul should've stayed alive in EPI and get more attention in EPII, more lines etc Cause Dooku is just pathetic, not one of my favorite characters anyway... Dooku doesn't fit in the story as Darth Sidious's apprentice I agree 110%, Dooku sucked arse big time. I can't understand why people liked him so much, his dialogue was shoddy at best ("It seems that this battle cannot be won through our knowledge of the Force." or whatever.... gimme a frickin break.), his character's use in the movie was sketchy at best, and his lightsaber skills were in no way even close to Darth Maul's standards. Maul had poise, grace, speed, elegance even in his weapon use. Dooku was a frantic saber swinger, and that's about it. Kudos to him for that somersault at the start, that was pretty impressive for a guy of his age. But other than that, I have no respect for Dooku. Darth Maul would have been far better suited as Sidious' apprentice, whilst probably leaving Dooku to be an ambasador or dignitary, and no more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark jedi 8 Posted May 12, 2003 Share Posted May 12, 2003 best. explanation. ever. a agree, maul would have been better. but it made sense to put dooku there for a plot thickener. he was an ex jedi, trained jinn, created the seperatist movement. (which i dont think mual could have because he's just not vocal enough.) he just kinda fit the role better. though it would have been cool to see mual vs. yoda with him using his DB lightsaber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderer Posted May 23, 2003 Share Posted May 23, 2003 Yep! That's the golden rule...the baddies have to die at the end...or turn good like Darth Vader and then they die Lightside always wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiMP RABBiT Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 what about dooku hey? BUt usually thats the case, unless they want a cliff hanger for sequals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderer Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 Well, I think this will be exciting...Count Dooku's End...Will Anakin kill him? Or will he die in a battle with obi wan? I'm looking forward to the third movie although I don't like the idea that this shall be the end of the star wars series.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weird_Al Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Lucas still is wavering on the third trilogy. I know it probably won't happen but, hey I can hope. He said right before he worked on Episode 2 when he was asked if he'd do the 3rd trilogy "I'll probably say no but, I said I wouldn't do the prequel trilogy and look at me now so if I'm healthy when I'm 80 probably". I liked Dooku more than Maul mainly because he actually had depth. Maul wasn't even the main character in his own book. I think Maul or Dooku should have been the apprentice for all 3. Most likely Maul with Dooku as a dignitary like mentioned earlier or with Maul as an assasin and Dooku as the apprentice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted June 7, 2003 Share Posted June 7, 2003 To answer old questions- Qui-Gon died because if he lived he would be Anakin's master not Obi-Wan. Jango died because Lucas wants us to keep guessing how come he's the prime clone and he works for the confed(for us who are dumb) Maul died because he killed Qui-Gon so he had to die. Dooku had lousier style then Maul because he's old(du'h) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkiTzoGuy Posted June 7, 2003 Share Posted June 7, 2003 IF they died, then why would they want a Jedi purge to happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted June 7, 2003 Share Posted June 7, 2003 *Wondering what cybernetix means* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark jedi 8 Posted June 12, 2003 Share Posted June 12, 2003 yeah, i am curious on how they will play dooku's death out, if he dies............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemme w/Stick Posted June 15, 2003 Share Posted June 15, 2003 Originally posted by Cosmos Jack I know he doesn't kill off all the cool charecters. For instance Darth Maul and Jango fett. Maybe not Everybody likes them, but they had more charecter and less screen time than most of the the other charecters in the movies. Easy answer, and I bet its been said before. They need to be killed in order for the story from the prequals to match up with the original trilogy. Example, if Jango wasnt killed, Boba wouldnt have become all mad, and prolly wouldnt have helped in the Jedi Purge, or whatever he'll do to avenge the death of his dear old dad. As for Maul, if he didnt kill Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan wouldnt have become all mad and wouldnt have ended as Anakins Mentor. -Clemme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted June 19, 2003 Share Posted June 19, 2003 Darth Maul and Dooku represent two psychological paradigms. Darth Maul is the embodiment of pure, unadulterated evil, irrational hatred, primal violence. Darth Maul is a psychopath, a weapon and an enforcer. He never had a definitive turning point, it's just that all of his life he has been trained to embrace his anger and pain. It's all he's known and he has had little choice in the matter. Dooku, Darth Tyranus, is on the other side of the spectrum. He lived as a dignified Jedi Knight and Master for approximately sixty years. But then, a series of events drove him away from the Light Side. His apprentice was struck down; he saw the Republic descending into corruption. The Senate was being controlled by a Sith Lord, and vicariously so was the Jedi Order as servants of that Republic. He became unsure of his path, torn apart by uncertainty and loss. And so he used the Trade Federation to find the Sith Lord and chose to join with him rather than be manipulated by him. Dooku made a choice, a deliberate choice to join the side of evil. Anakin himself becomes the third paradigm of evil. Unlike Maul he was not raised in the Dark Side, and unlike Dooku the evidence suggests that he does not make a deliberate choice. Anakin falls on account of passion, and loses himself to the Dark Side. A Jedi cannot know love because love is attachment, and when you are attached to something and it is ripped away, it hurts. Love for one person can become hatred for another, and when you're balancing on the edge of a knife, slipping can cost you everything. We know nothing of Sidious' past, his reasons for turning and which of the three paths to the Dark Side he took (though the latter two seem unlikely since there is no evidence that he was ever a Jedi), but because of that mystery, he fits into the fourth paradigm: the devil, the tempter, the prince of the earth who offers everything but will throw you away the moment you're not needed, always looking for a more powerful ally. Like Satan putting on the face of Lucifer, the angel of light, Sidious, in the guise of the respected Chancellor Palpatine, manipulates his pawns, guiding them with a light and insidious touch. His seemingly innocent words of praise to Anakin, "I see that you are becoming the greatest of all Jedi," only strokes the boy's ego, creating an "us against them" mentality. Since he is the greatest of all Jedi, it can't possibly be his fault that he fails to protect his mother, or Padme... and so he blames the one person who has acted as his father in the past ten years: "It's all Obi-Wan's fault, he's holding me back!" Sidious goes through three Apprentices, and attempts to lure in a fourth in Return of the Jedi. He tells Luke to strike down his own father and assume his place, revealing the expandability of these people he has tutored and to whom he has given authority. Each Star Wars villain is unique, and each has something to reveal to us by their actions and reactions and their roles in the story. Lucas is trying to get someplace, obviously, and so some things must happen to retain continuity. But Lucas never throws away a chance to show something of the human condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pleto4_ryan Posted June 29, 2003 Share Posted June 29, 2003 EU books and comics) that the character from the OT movies (Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, ...) seemed too untouchable well.....Chewie did died...... --------------------- All the deaths are importand for the plot. Take them out and you ruin the whole idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU_Skythe Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 very interesting Jedi_Monk ... very good insight into the baddies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
another_trooper Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad Maul died because he killed Qui-Gon so he had to die. Dooku had lousier style then Maul because he's old(du'h) Or you could also say that he died because he got chopped in half or because he was evil :D Dooku is cooler than Maul (IMO) because Christopher Lee is slightly cooler than Ray Park and cuz he has that evil stare GL maybe doesnt know what charecters ppl will consider cool or lame so he just kills some randomly to keep the movies in a dramatic tone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesia Daoke Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 y dont they kill the charaters we hate:mad: like Jar Jar:jarjar: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi_Monk Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 While we might love to see Jar Jar die a horrible, gruesome death, I dare say it would be far too traumatizing for the 6-and-under bracket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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