recombinant Posted April 28, 2003 Share Posted April 28, 2003 Originally posted by wudan Wha - good news - new anims for anything you can make a GLA for - that's what I thought was good ... isn't that good? Yes. It is good!!!! Woo Hoo! My comments earlier may have been misinterpreted as saying that new animations will not ever be possible, which is not what I was saying. My understanding is that you've still got a fair amount of work ahead of you before we have a tool for editing .GLA files directly (which is the ultimate goal, if I understand your intentions for GlaNeo correctly), which would be an awesome tool for modelers and animators, but it's going to be a while before we get to that point, correct? Additionally, there was a misconception that AOTC:TC had all the stuff necessary for creating new animations, and that we were gonna have 'em, like, oh, next week or so... And everyone was getting all worked up around here talking about Kell Dragons and Dianogas and the like. I was just trying to bring a bit of a reality check, in that short term we wouldn't be able to create those new skeletons and animations, but at some point we probably will, given the excellent research and development you've been doing so far on this issue. Naturally, DF would love to be able to have the new creature models!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reaper1576 Posted April 28, 2003 Share Posted April 28, 2003 yeap well said JediStone when we can make new animations and skeletons it will make all of our lifes easyer as we have the same problem the dam kell Dragon to name one (ok the big one ) Ok dumb question time i just map dont understand modeling very much or codeing would it be possible some how say for the kell dragon make t so that it would use the arms as legs ? so it would use all fours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinity Blade Posted April 29, 2003 Share Posted April 29, 2003 Well, the animation data alters a skeletal system in the player/npc model, and we "bind" the model's parts to the skeleton. If we could add an animation, one that would move the arms and legs in a fashion that would work for all fours, then certainly we could go that route. Otherwise it'd look like Godzilla running around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recombinant Posted April 29, 2003 Share Posted April 29, 2003 would it be possible some how say for the kell dragon make t so that it would use the arms as legs ? so it would use all fours Let me see if I understand this right... Are you asking if it's possible to use the _humanoid model in alternate ways (like on all fours, as you suggested) instead of creating a new skeleton? I think Corto has an answer for you, but I believe the answer is "sort of." IIRC, Corto said he was able to create some forms of monsters based on existing _humanoid skeletons (but perhaps he used the cave crustacean skeletons from SP - I don't exactly recall that detail)... At any rate, for now, you would only have the ability to use pre-existing animations, however. To my knowledge, I don't think crawling is one of them, but it very well could be. So to sum up, the problem is that for the time being we're limited in the JK2MP to using the _humanoid skeleton and animation, but it may be possible for modelers to get really creative and use it in new, inventive ways that kinda do what you suggest. Then it's up to the programmers to rewrite the bot AI, or in our case, the NPC AI. Hope this helps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recombinant Posted April 29, 2003 Share Posted April 29, 2003 Originally posted by infinity_blade Otherwise it'd look like Godzilla running around... I think the Jabba model is kinda like that... a humanoid skeleton surrounded by Jabba blobbishness. Unfortunately, the Jabba model still wants to hold a blaster or a lightsaber. No way around that (for the time being), therefore no monster-like animations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jp-30 Posted May 12, 2003 Share Posted May 12, 2003 Regarding the animation for Kell Dragons.. Firstly I'm not sure what MP has to do with this. Surely it's only SP you need be concerned with? At any rate the RPG mod has managed to get non-humanoid NPCs into MP with their SP animations (eg the droids & mine monster). See more here; http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=99244 So, I had a look at the Minemonster in Modview, and while it's only got 3 legs, I reckon that an interpretation of a Kell Dragon could be convincingly modelled on the existing Minemonster skeleton and use the same Minemonster animations. The front legs and the head and mouth are all great, and the two back legs of the Kell could be weighted to the one back leg of the Mineminster, creating back legs that "bound" as the front ones "gallop". Course you'd also need to scale up the skeleton to kell size, but jedimod has shown scaling can occur on humanoid skeletons OK. So is that a viable alternative, or is there some major flaw I've not thought through? I know it's not a perfect solution, given the way the Kell looked and moved in the original DF, but it would be a good enough compromise. Or a good enough stopgap until a better alternative is found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HapSlash Posted May 12, 2003 Share Posted May 12, 2003 Who knows,... It may actually be possible to pull off something acceptable with the existing animations, but I don't think anyone has really tried to do it. But, until someone actually does, it's all mere speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recombinant Posted May 12, 2003 Share Posted May 12, 2003 Originally posted by jp-30 Firstly I'm not sure what MP has to do with this. Surely it's only SP you need be concerned with? OK... one more time for emphasis! The demo runs with JK2SP. The final version will be running under JK2MP since that is the only system we currently have code for. That is, unless Raven/LucasArts/Activision releases an SP SDK, which is possible, but we're not holding our breath on it. So that is why we're concerned over the issue of only being able to use the _humanoid skeleton. Hope that helped. (Man! This should be in the FAQ, if it isn't already...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_One Posted May 12, 2003 Share Posted May 12, 2003 Look at the thread at the very top of the forum Evan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recombinant Posted May 12, 2003 Share Posted May 12, 2003 So, since you are the fans who ask the questions, what would you like to see in the FAQ? So this would then qualify for the updated FAQ. Excellent. Add it to your list, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jp-30 Posted May 12, 2003 Share Posted May 12, 2003 So that is why we're concerned over the issue of only being able to use the _humanoid skeleton. Ahh. OK. But that concern must be fading now, seeing the RPG Mod appears to have solved the problem of non humanoid NPCs in MP... http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=99244 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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