Taarkin Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 Originally posted by Kylilin no, cypher said he wanted his memory erased before reinsertion into the matrix. A newborn child (again, how are babies born in the matrix?) doesn't have memories either, yet they would also go crazy if everything was perfect. [/b] to address your first problem. A randomly dead person would mean lost crops for the machines, however, it is all part of the programmed reality of the matrix. If everyone died at the age or 75 without exception, I don't think it would be real enough for humans to accept. Thus huge numbers of people would reject the program and even higher amounts of crops would be lost. [/b] The machines can just do the Greek Fates thing and randomly assign an age when an individual dies(assuming they don't die of anything else first). For example, why would say, SARS or liver cancer exist inthe matrix? All they do is kill people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted May 20, 2003 Author Share Posted May 20, 2003 Two things. 1) The Reloaded soundtrack rocks. It's a two-disc fiesta of kick-ass ****, including TWO ROB D. TRACKS! (For those that don't know, his track "Clubbed To Death" was the background tunes for the Agent Training program in The Matrix) 2) Does anyone either have Reloaded downloaded, or have any form of transcript? I'm looking for Merovingian's little spiel about "Why?". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nute Gunray Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 Originally posted by Taarkin The machines can just do the Greek Fates thing and randomly assign an age when an individual dies(assuming they don't die of anything else first). For example, why would say, SARS or liver cancer exist inthe matrix? All they do is kill people. Those people die and are fed to the living. More interestingly is how do they adapt to random human action, like September 11th, or random machine action, like one of those crab robots that unplugged Neo breaking down, crashing into the power plant, and destroying thousands of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taarkin Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 Originally posted by Nute Gunray Those people die and are fed to the living. I don't think mankind is a perpetual-motion device. More interestingly is how do they adapt to random human action, like September 11th, [/b] Imagine a stewardess suddenly having a seizure, turning into Agent Smith, and kicking terrorist ass. YES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted May 20, 2003 Author Share Posted May 20, 2003 Originally posted by Taarkin I don't think mankind is a perpetual-motion device. Originally spoken by Morpheus For the longest time, I wouldn't believe it. Then I saw the fields with my own eyes... Watched them liquify the dead, so they could be fed intravenously to the living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taarkin Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 Originally posted by Nitro For the longest time, I wouldn't believe it. Then I saw the fields with my own eyes... Watched them liquify the dead, so they could be fed intravenously to the living. If I was the second law of thermodynamics, I would so kick your ass right now. It probably takes as much energy to liquify/pump a carcass than the caloric value of the body, not to mention the lost energy that the human could have produced were he not killed. It's a practical thing to do withthose whose bodies have died naturally, but killing someone to do it is like killing and eating the farmer because you're hungry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nute Gunray Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 they never said they didn't feed them anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edlib Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 They would have to. I can't imagine that if the population of the matrix is about our current world pop. (say @ 6 billion) that you could stretch out the nutrients of several thousand dead every day to feed those types of numbers. Plus, without certain vitamins and nutrients that can only come from vegtable matter they would be a sickly lot indeed. Unless the machines have developed a way around scurvy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kylilin Posted May 20, 2003 Share Posted May 20, 2003 well, we're going on what we saw and heard in the movie, not on what people are guessing. I never saw or heard them talk about the machines tossing in a bag of carrots into everyones tanks so they could get their vitamins. and if I was the second law of thermodynamics, I really wouldn't care either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold leader Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 Neo still had his teeth when he was released from the Matrix, so somehow he must have had his 2 pieces of fruit a day. Unless Nute is right, I would say that the machines have to be able to grow food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Beastie Posted May 21, 2003 Share Posted May 21, 2003 Or they just inject the synthetic nutrients directly into the bodies. Y'know, the Matrix could've solved all its problems by just altering the nutritional profiles so that when anyone detached from the Matrix, they woke up malnourished and with bad cholesterol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jem Posted May 22, 2003 Share Posted May 22, 2003 Just a quick word on my opinion about the movie, I don`t have much time because I`m in my father`s office in Africa right now. I left Ottawa on the 17th so I had time to watch the movie. I didn`t expect much about the movie and I was right not too. But still, I found it ok. Not terrific or awesome, just plain ok and good. That is all for now. By the way: Greetings from Sénégal ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K_Kinnison Posted May 23, 2003 Share Posted May 23, 2003 Non-spoiler stuff: I didn't care about the music, it was dcent stuff, but I am a John williams/jerry goldsmith fan myself. The music should be consistant and not have several token rock groups do a few songs. The ending sucked IMO why end i on a build-up. Any writer knows about conclusions and movie shouldend with conclusions. Shold have ended eariler. If the non-martix part is still fake, then why do the machines allow humans to see them. Humans in the matrix world have almsot know clue it exists. because it is a controled evnvirment. About the Feeding humans stuff. it does not take much energy to grind up human puree and use it as food. And in a technical society making vitimans isn't difficult. Really the only "energy" the machines can get from humans that we know of is thermal. but there has to be something else to make it worthwhile. okay spoiler stuff below: what gets me, if when NEO make his choice with the door. If the TVs behind him were previous Neos who made the same choice? destruction of the matrix? the rave was pointless, T and A, swety peope grinding against eachother, and the Neo-trinity sex scene would have been nice if they showed more of trinity, instead of showing Neos butt to everyone. Agent smith. It seeems he was jsut a token plot device to get in the way and make thigns difficult. There is no explination why he is fighting neo or has a thing against him. ANd from the fighting it seems that neither can defeat the other. maybe it is a set up for the next one (make sense with the new trailer) The French snob prick, the oracle, the keymaker, and the guide to the oracle are all programs. Rogue programs? There is no way someone can 'hack' the matrix unless they are a program or are outside, or neo. okay that is enough for now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nute Gunray Posted May 23, 2003 Share Posted May 23, 2003 Originally posted by K_Kinnison Non-spoiler stuff: I didn't care about the music, it was dcent stuff, but I am a John williams/jerry goldsmith fan myself. The music should be consistant and not have several token rock groups do a few songs. The ending sucked IMO why end i on a build-up. Any writer knows about conclusions and movie shouldend with conclusions. Shold have ended eariler. 1) have you never heard of a cliffhanger? 2) The music was consistant. Don Davis, Rob Dougan, and Juno Reactor did the entire soundtrack except for three songs and four songs that appeared during the credits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jem Posted May 23, 2003 Share Posted May 23, 2003 Originally posted by Flying Beastie the bad CG in the Neo/Smith/Smith/Smith/Smith. . . brawl was incredibly bad I`m thinking that will be the same reason why The Hulk is gonna be bad. Something I noticed but doubt that I can find an answer here: When Neo and his team exit the ship for the first time (docked at Zion) they are greeted by someone named Mifune. I wonder if this has something to do with honouring the great japanese actor Toshiro Mifune (Best actor of all time and star of many of Akira Kurosawa movies such as Rashomon, Seven Samurai, Sanjuro, Yojimbo, Lower Depths, Hidden Fortress and much much more...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nute Gunray Posted May 24, 2003 Share Posted May 24, 2003 The 100 Agent Smiths fight was supposed to look bad. It's a computer simulation and it switches to low detail models, so to speak, when it's got such a huge strain on the system (such as a 100 AI programs fighting The One). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted May 24, 2003 Author Share Posted May 24, 2003 Originally posted by Nute Gunray 1) have you never heard of a cliffhanger? 2) The music was consistant. Don Davis, Rob Dougan, and Juno Reactor did the entire soundtrack except for three songs and four songs that appeared during the credits. Rob Dougan is my lord and master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Beastie Posted May 24, 2003 Share Posted May 24, 2003 Originally posted by Nute Gunray The 100 Agent Smiths fight was supposed to look bad. It's a computer simulation and it switches to low detail models, so to speak, when it's got such a huge strain on the system (such as a 100 AI programs fighting The One). Originally posted by Flying Beastie My only explanation was that the Matrix tends to develop a framerate problem and switches to LoD models whan that many "cheaters" are playing. You're welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr. Cracken Posted May 24, 2003 Share Posted May 24, 2003 stupid bots. ^_^ The Matrix Reloaded Soundtrack kicks all sorts of ass. good pick Nitrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted May 24, 2003 Author Share Posted May 24, 2003 Originally posted by Cmdr. Cracken stupid bots. ^_^ The Matrix Reloaded Soundtrack kicks all sorts of ass. good pick Nitrous. Glad someone agrees... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nute Gunray Posted May 24, 2003 Share Posted May 24, 2003 Dread Rock, Teahouse, and Mona Lisa Overdrive were cool, but the rest was very meh. Those three songs comprise my mp3 station in Vice City. PCJ 600+Dread Rock+a wanted level of 5+FBI guys in suits after me=sex Revolutions better have some Rammstein or Evanescence* on it or I'll be pissed. * Evanescence's Going Under was in Enter the Matrix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr. Cracken Posted May 25, 2003 Share Posted May 25, 2003 True that, Nute, the second disk is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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