ILR Posted May 29, 2003 Share Posted May 29, 2003 The trailers for JA are extremelly small and crappy quality, so I wont take them as the real deal of what the game is... but... If the game is like what those movies are I'm afraid my opinion of the game will be pretty damn low. In the movie (notice how I'm just talking about the low res trailer) the light saber duels appeared to be randomslashing on both sides. I didn't see any real contact between the opposing sabers. If they did get close enough to touch it looked like our current JKII 1.04 saber detection... sabers passing through eachother and/or jerky animations. I really really really hope this is just poor video quality decieving me. Did anyone else notice how the lightsaber vs lightsaber physics haven't really been improved on? And, yeah, they went insanely overboard with the lightsaber variations. Having a double sided saber that you can split apart. I sure hope they dont force you to have any kind of double/duel saber. I like the single blade myself. And I hope a single bladed Jedi is matched with all those doubled saberists. In the JKII mods with two sabers, the single blade was at the disatvantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted May 29, 2003 Share Posted May 29, 2003 Originally posted by ILR The trailers for JA are extremelly small and crappy quality, so I wont take them as the real deal of what the game is... but... If the game is like what those movies are I'm afraid my opinion of the game will be pretty damn low. In the movie (notice how I'm just talking about the low res trailer) the light saber duels appeared to be randomslashing on both sides. I didn't see any real contact between the opposing sabers. If they did get close enough to touch it looked like our current JKII 1.04 saber detection... sabers passing through eachother and/or jerky animations. I really really really hope this is just poor video quality decieving me. Did anyone else notice how the lightsaber vs lightsaber physics haven't really been improved on? Have a look at the old JO clip, and see how different that is from the actual look and gameplay. I expect this is no different. Good points though Originally posted by ILR And, yeah, they went insanely overboard with the lightsaber variations. Having a double sided saber that you can split apart. I sure hope they dont force you to have any kind of double/duel saber. I like the single blade myself. And I hope a single bladed Jedi is matched with all those doubled saberists. In the JKII mods with two sabers, the single blade was at the disatvantage. I agree completely. Single lightsaber all the way. I feel the joinable two lightsabers is too over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SettingShadow Posted May 29, 2003 Share Posted May 29, 2003 After watching the trailer a couple of times, I must say I don't like it. But, I think that what we saw was just an older build, since they said you won't be able to use certain force powers that needed your hands with the dual sabers, and lightstaff, yet we see a dual saber guy push. Also, the force and helth/shield meters are diffrent than those in the latest screenshots. I haven't really decided if I'm gonna use two sabers, or stick with one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Solar Posted May 29, 2003 Share Posted May 29, 2003 I hope they got some good plan for MP. I'd hate to log on to a server only to realize that I'm back in jedimod-land (or whatever those mods are called) with 20 people running around with multiple quadruplebladed (pink) sabers. Not being able to use certain force powers seems like one pretty artifical solution. Does that mean that a Jedi who has lost his hand, like Luke or Anakin, could not use their powers anymore? So if you tie up a jedi, he becomes harmless? What are the powers that the almighty book of the force declares non-usable to anyone with their hands full? "Not being able to use certain powers" also translates into "a player using a single saber is at an disadvantage, especially in NF games". They'll have a hard time balancing the stuff out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Truthful Liar Posted May 29, 2003 Share Posted May 29, 2003 Originally posted by Luc Solar I hope they got some good plan for MP. I honestly hope so too. I'd hate to log on to a server only to realize that I'm back in jedimod-land (or whatever those mods are called) with 20 people running around with multiple quadruplebladed (pink) sabers. Bahahaha. You're right though. O.o Since JK3 gameplay will revolve more around the lightsaber I can imagine worse will happen - possibly no competative community will exist after a month or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormtrooper X Posted May 29, 2003 Share Posted May 29, 2003 Originally posted by ILR the Guy who think's there are more than one JA trailer The trailers for JA TrailerS? Plural? Hmmm. ILR, that trailer was made a long time ago (in a galaxy far, far away.), and there are thousands of enhancements since then. You could even be the creature Plo Koon is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shock ~ unnamed Posted May 29, 2003 Share Posted May 29, 2003 I'm willing to bet almost anything the filming of those trailers went like this: Raven Team Guy #1: Hey you ready to start recording for the trailer? Raven Team Guy #2: Yeah who's going to play? Raven Team Guy #1: Hmm, grab Pete the janitor, he's down the hall. Pete the janitor: What do I do? Raven Guy #2: Just hold down the forward key and mouse 1 and run around and try to bump into people and hit them with that saber you will be swinging. Point is that trailer is a "fluff piece". It's intention is not to entice or showcase game play mechanics for the returning fan. It is intended to make that 9 year old kid watching it, drool and run and beg his parents to buy him a copy. You never see in depth game play in trailers, it's always flashy explosions or eye candy to target the short attention span consumers. Same as a commercial or movie trailer really. And like others said, look at the jk2 trailer and look at the game, totally different when you actually get to play it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Legend Posted May 30, 2003 Share Posted May 30, 2003 The trailer is from an older build of the game, according to a Raven .plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabrobot Posted May 30, 2003 Share Posted May 30, 2003 One thing I would like to point out is that many people seem to have only played JKII multiplayer. JKII multiplayer and singleplayer are hugely different...multiplayer's saber was horrible, completely different from singleplayer. So far we have only seen Jedi Academy singleplayer, and it doesn't look like it's going to be worse than JKII singleplayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CagedCrado Posted May 30, 2003 Share Posted May 30, 2003 Hopefully they will use the same system for sabers in multiplayer and single player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.:Silver:. Posted June 7, 2003 Share Posted June 7, 2003 "I hope they got some good plan for MP." They need to stay strong this time and avoid nerfing the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediBozQ Posted June 7, 2003 Share Posted June 7, 2003 Originally posted by Squater But, I think that what we saw was just an older build, since they said you won't be able to use certain force powers that needed your hands with the dual sabers, and lightstaff, yet we see a dual saber guy push. We did. The E3 trailer with that guy pushing the rock down some cliff, knocking a (supposingly) stormtrooper over. He pushed it and ignited two sabers, remember? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider AL Posted June 7, 2003 Share Posted June 7, 2003 They need to stay strong this time and avoid nerfing the game.Damn right. We all need to band together and crush any whiners that emerge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emon Posted June 8, 2003 Share Posted June 8, 2003 Things to keep in mind: 1. From multiple inteview's we've heard the hit detection is supposed to be much better this time. 2. That demo is from an old build of the game. 3. JO's trailer's weren't much other than random slashing either, they guys at LEC who make these demos clearly cannot play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider AL Posted June 8, 2003 Share Posted June 8, 2003 3. JO's trailer's weren't much other than random slashing either, they guys at LEC who make these demos clearly cannot play.Damn right Emon, they're utter noobs. Still, I suppose if we spent all our time making games, we'd probably be just as crepe. No time to practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emon Posted June 9, 2003 Share Posted June 9, 2003 The programmers probably have the most experience in playing the game. LEC put together that trailer for E3, not Raven. I've played several games online with Mike Gummelt before, one of the programmers for JO. One was a duel right as 1.03 came out (and before people realized it sucked), and he was quite good. He had some nifty tricks behind his back I had never seen before. When you work for a year on programming things like AI and saber combat, you really know how it works, and consequently you are damn good at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILR Posted June 10, 2003 Author Share Posted June 10, 2003 Originally posted by Emon The programmers probably have the most experience in playing the game. LEC put together that trailer for E3, not Raven. Lol, When I made single player Doom levels back in the day, I would try to make the most challenging levels ever. I thought they were easy, but I was the only person who could beat them. *shrugs* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider AL Posted June 10, 2003 Share Posted June 10, 2003 The programmers probably have the most experience in playing the game.Of the staff who are making the game, sure. They're still newcomers when compared to those who come after though, the hardened gamers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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