StormHammer Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 Originally posted by Kurgan Just so we're on the same page Stormie... Do you mean the one where it looks like the player is "hugging" the enemy (with both hands) he's using grip/drain/whatever on? Because that's the one I was thinking of. The only other place I've seen anything similar to grip is the screenshot of the choking gran. Yeah, that's it. I'm damned if I can find that footage now, though. I've checked the trailers on my hard disk, and that bit isn't in there. I know I saw it somewhere, though. At least I know I'm not going crazy if you've seen it too. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reprehence Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 Does the guy doing the demo say something about being tempted to choose the dark side but that there weren't really two paths like in JK. It's in response to a question he's asked. I assume there's still two endings, but I"m wonder what that's gonna look like in the real game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txa1265 Posted August 19, 2003 Share Posted August 19, 2003 Originally posted by Reprehence Does the guy doing the demo say something about being tempted to choose the dark side but that there weren't really two paths like in JK. It's in response to a question he's asked. I assume there's still two endings, but I"m wonder what that's gonna look like in the real game? What I got from what I heard was that using so-called Dark powers, like Grip and Lightning that he scrolled through, would not tip light to dark, but that the player is tempted by the dark side. To me, combined with everything else we've heard, that says that it isn't what powers you use, but how you use them, that matters. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted August 19, 2003 Author Share Posted August 19, 2003 I hope they don't end up just making a scene like this: (near the end of the game) Bad Guy: Okay, go through Door #1 to join the dark side! or go through Door #2 to stay with the crappy light side! Muahhahahah! And that's it. But, who knows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txa1265 Posted August 19, 2003 Share Posted August 19, 2003 Well ... we have heard that there is no 'morality scale' like in JK (and similar to what is seen in KOTOR), but there must be something. I only hope it is a cumulative effect - I don't care if they show me progress, I should have a clue how my decisions are going, so long as after a long game of patience and mercy I stay on the light side. Look - for me it doesn't seem right that you can use grip, drain or particularly lightning and not have it impact your balance - all of these (well, grip above level 1 in JO) are pain based powers, disproportunate pain to hit damage power. Isn't that the definition of the dark side - in JO, if I'm sailing along and get annoyed by a Stormie taking some of my shield I'd sometimes grip him to 'make him pay'. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted August 19, 2003 Author Share Posted August 19, 2003 Wow, 1,406 downloads (seven votes, doh) in three days... not bad for not being really posted anywhere! I wonder if the server could handle a post by TheForce.net or some other major SW site about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txa1265 Posted August 19, 2003 Share Posted August 19, 2003 I love this movie ... but it reminds me how well Valve is playing the marketing game. They've released nothing new since E3, yet are getting all of the press by dishing small chunks of what they did show in hi-res blocks. They do it once a week and everyone tunes in and we all keep HL2 on the tips of our tongues. Too bad they didn't have something like this JA video, but in hi-res, to release ... or something else to keep things moving - not a full trailer, just snippets like they're doing for HL2. I also love the new Rebel Strike web site ... Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodaichi Kuno Posted August 21, 2003 Share Posted August 21, 2003 Has anyone seen any other spoilers around? That one was cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miko Reglia Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 yeah i loved that movie, i just hope i dont share the same fate as that character:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy867 Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 But your sacrifice, like the character, would mean that the lonely Rancor would be able to survive.. I mean, he is probably a creature that is tortured and suffers from malnourishment, and is only eating to survive... Please help him:) hehe:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted August 22, 2003 Author Share Posted August 22, 2003 Well if you want spoilers, check out the official site: http://www.swjediacademy.com We'll probably start allowing that info on here, since it's now official, and anyone can see it confirmed on the LA page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy867 Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 What sucks is that if that saber creation video is true, people won't be able to construct a saber with a red glow.... That totally bites. I wanted Red and Blue for my Avalanche:-D but I cant now:(( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txa1265 Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 Originally posted by Andy867 What sucks is that if that saber creation video is true, people won't be able to construct a saber with a red glow.... That totally bites. I wanted Red and Blue for my Avalanche:-D but I cant now:(( Of course you can't start with a red saber - what do you think, Luke has a pile of synthetic red crystals that resonate with Dark power just lying around th etemple ? But we have seen players (i.e. not just NPC's) with red sabers in screenshots, often as part of a lightstaff or dual saber config, meaning later in the game. Interesting development, actually ... yet another one ... Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy867 Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 Well, from my understanding, the purple crystal used in Master Windu's saber is actually a fusion of a red crystal and some other crystal. Of course I cant remember when on the forums I remember reading that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txa1265 Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 Originally posted by Andy867 Well, from my understanding, the purple crystal used in Master Windu's saber is actually a fusion of a red crystal and some other crystal. Of course I cant remember when on the forums I remember reading that. I know that Mace Windu has a purple saber which has a synthetic crystal, but I think the point is that they want to keep the movie associations there - we've seen Blue, Green, Orange, Purple and Yellow as 'good', and only red as 'evil'. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy867 Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 My point is that Jedi Academy is supposed to be a temptation of the dark side, or the will to stay good, and its also about customization. I am already getting on the point about the fact that we have a preset name, more less not being able to pick the saber color we want.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormHammer Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 Originally posted by Andy867 My point is that Jedi Academy is supposed to be a temptation of the dark side, or the will to stay good, and its also about customization. I am already getting on the point about the fact that we have a preset name, more less not being able to pick the saber color we want.. While I can see your argument about customisation, I can also see the reason for disallowing the selection of RED from the very beginning in the context of the game. You don't start out as a Dark Jedi, but as a Padawan learner, and it's only as you progress through the game that you make a conscious choice about your affinity to the Dark side. So in those terms, I think I actually prefer it if you can change your saber colour later on to reflect the path you have chosen, and in GL's SW terms in this modern age, RED means you're a badass villain. At least we should still be able to select RED (along with all the other colours) in MP modes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted August 23, 2003 Author Share Posted August 23, 2003 I know that Mace Windu has a purple saber which has a synthetic crystal, but I think the point is that they want to keep the movie associations there - we've seen Blue, Green, Orange, Purple and Yellow as 'good', and only red as 'evil'. Of course you can't start with a red saber - what do you think, Luke has a pile of synthetic red crystals that resonate with Dark power just lying around th etemple ? This is where the EU boggles my mind. It is FULL of contradictory evidence about this. Yes, we all know GL stated in the AOTC DVD supplementary info that "Blue and Green are for good guys, Red is for bad guys." and Then Samuel L. Jackson says "Could I have a purple saber?" and George says "Sure, we could do that." (along those lines) BUT, in the EU, prior to this moment, we had all colors for everyone. Meaning, we had bad guys using Blue, Green, Orange, Yellow, Purple (remember JK1?). JK1 had the good guy using Green, but if he fell to the Darkside he continued to use Green, whereas the Lightside had him using Yellow (which was the saber of a bad guy who turned good)! MotS featured "bad guys" using red and orange (good guys using Purple and Orange). Anybody play Jedi Power Battles? It featured Adi Gallia with a Red Saber, Plo Koon with an orange saber, Ki Adi Mundi with a purple one, and Mace Windu with blue. Of course in the movies they all use Blue or Green, except Mace who uses Purple (a comic was even made to explain why Mace had a blue one.. to say he "borrowed" another Jedi's saber for awhile). So we've seen good guys use red, and we've seen bad guys use all the other colors. Wasn't Exar Kun using a purple double saber in the good old days? In the EU saber color had practically no meaning other than personal preference, except for this "unknown source" that says that "Sith crystals" are "special synthetic crystals that resonate with the dark side" or whatever that is (and if true, are these the ONLY crystals that produce a red blade?). The problem with all that is that in Shadows of the Empire, Luke's lightsaber is made with synthetic crystals (he cooks them in an "oven") and they make his saber GREEN and they certainly aren't resonating with the dark side (he got all the equipment from Obi-Wan's hut.. why would Obi-Wan's stuff only be good for making Dark Side crystals??). And you might say "well Luke was flirting with the Dark Side), well I highly doubt if he did this, he was doing it at that moment. As I see it, there was no consistent "rule" about saber colors until George made it with AOTC. And it doesn't make sense here because: 1) In the EU all colors should be available, if we're talking pre-AOTC rules here. 2) If we are using the post-AOTC rules, then Orange, Yellow, and Purple sabers shouldn't be available. Why? Because only Mace Windu has a purple lightsaber, and Orange and Yellow are NEVER SEEN IN THE MOVIES (see GL's quote again). Now for the possible game explanation. I figure either: 1) Raven made a compromise with LA/LucasFilm allowing them Orange and Yellow, but not Red. Remember that their hands were tied in JK2 single player, where they had to give the "good guys" green or blue sabers (they probably chose blue for Kyle since he had already used green in JK and they wanted something different) and the bad guys red sabers (although an in-story explanation makes sense.. because the bad guy's sabers were undoubtably mass produced from the same source materials). MP of course doesn't matter so much, because it's not "part of the official continuity" in any way shape or form, so they can get away with using non-canonical colors there. or 2) GL is planning to introduce Orange and Yellow lightsabers in Episode III as "good guy colors" and so they allowed Raven/LA to do this in their game. And again, MP doesn't have to follow the same rules, since it's not a story, just pure combat. Raven/LA may also have wanted something "special" to happen when you go to the Dark Side, so they probably force you to use a red blade if you choose that path. That is my prediction... again, in keeping with LucasFilm policy, they want the bad guys to exclusively use Red blades in single player games. Obviously the saber color policy wasn't so strictly defined in the past (hence JK1 and MotS's varieties of colors) or else third party companies like Raven have to follow stricter guidelines than LucasArts (after all LucasArts made JK and MotS, Raven made JK2 and JA). An "in universe explanation" for the saber colors could be that perhaps the Jedi Order had a "rule" about colors. It could be that Mace Windu's purple saber is a sort of "honor" bestowed upon him for his battle prowess... a status symbol. Or perhaps Blue and Green sabers are actually a new technology (and red even newer), and in the past all sabers were Purple. Mace is an old fashioned type, so he keeps his Purple saber in stuborn refusal to follow the new fads. And perhaps if there was a rule about saber colors, it evaporated and was forgotten after the Jedi Order was dissolved. It may have been rediscovered and re-applied in the "present" of the post-ROTJ New Republic, as Jedi files were rediscovered and people decided to follow them again (but others didn't). Or it could be related simply to technology. Perhaps on Coruscant, where the Jedi hang out, the crystals readily available to them produce primarily Blue and Green sabers. Mace's simply being a fluke of some kind. This could also explain why the Sith sabers are red, because Palpatine is getting them from another source, which tends to produce red sabers. Of course red could also be a "rule" of the Sith order (and we've only seen three canon Sith that use sabers anyway). Finally, a theory promulgated by Robert "BSquared" Brown (who used to run a very cool site about Lightsabers and other canon SW info) is that the different colors represent different "philosophical schools of the Force." Ie: blue = unifying force, green = living force, red = sith. Of course this would beg the question of what Mace's purple saber means (at one time I theorized that all leaders of the Jedi Council... ie: Yoda, Mace and Ki Adi Mundi would have purple sabers.. but this was shattered by AOTC) and why they switch colors in the movies (granted, in AOTC, the sabers passed out to Anakin and Obi-Wan were spares in an emergency). Perhaps Obi-Wan, being the traditionalist, kept the crystals from Qui Gon Jinn's old saber and this is what ended up being salvaged to use for Luke's new blade in ROTJ? In the original Star Wars movie, GL consciously made the sabers red (bad guy) and blue (good guy) and the blaster shots different colors (in ship battles they were green for bad guys, red for good guys, in gun battles they were ALL red) to emulate the classic old Western tradition of making the good guys wear white and the bad guys wear black, so anybody would instantly know who was who (since GL liked to make people wear black and white and gray and mix it up between good and bad all the time, so he couldn't imitate it the same way). When ROTJ was made, he realized that the blue saber didn't show up correctly against the yellow background of the Sand, so he made Luke's saber Green instead (notice how Anakin's blue saber looks more "green" than blue in the Tatooine scenes in ANH!). So it was a SFX consideration there. You can also see how in a few early spoiler shots from AOTC (including even the official trailer) the colors were off (ie: blue sabers looked purple, purple sabers looked a red/violet, and green sabers looked almost orange/yellow). Some of us assumed that this meant AOTC acknowledged other colors, but we were disapointed when the movie was shown on the big screen and DVD to learn that in fact, it was just green/blue and purple (+red again for the bad guys). Anyway, long story short, I just wish they'd let us pick any color we want and be done with it. At least we can do so in MP. ; ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted August 30, 2003 Author Share Posted August 30, 2003 Well, I can probably safely unstickify this for now... most people have probably seen it. Well, 3,483 of you anyway. ; ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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