Sam Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 In JKII a fully charged bryar shot could kill almost any non saber wielding enemy in one shot, but In JA all the guns seemed to have gotten nerfed to uselessness. whats up with that?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g//anarki Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 Yes, the guns do seem a little nerfed. But there is locational damage now thanks to Ghoul2 models. I find that I can usually kill a non-saber wielding enemy with 2 charged up shots to the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi_Kwiet Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 Yeah, I also noticed that my shots would sometimes go through an enemy too, especly with that guy setting up those detinators and that bridge... anyone elce see that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 Who cares? You should be using the just the lightsaber anyway. Just kidding. I've taken people out with one charged shot to the face, so I don't see the problem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Poodoo Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 Maybe they wanted to change the fact that all the other Jedi Knight games were based on guns...maybe they are just encouraging saber combat. Or, it may possibly change when the game comes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormHammer Posted September 8, 2003 Share Posted September 8, 2003 Yes, I tend to agree that some of the guns seem a bit nerfed. As I said in another thread, I could take down a lot of the enemies with a single well-charged Blastech DL-44 shot to the head. Yet I drilled a Trandoshan at close range in the head and body with E-11 secondary, and he just ran away and kept shooting at me. That doesn't make a great deal of sense to me. The heavy repeater primary seems weaker too - but the secondary 'blast' shot was very effective for getting one-hit kills. The Bowcaster was...well...pretty much the same. A few secondary shots from a distance dealt with a lot of enemies (except the Cultists, of course). The disruptor rifle was the same...easy and effective sniping. Didn't bother with the DEMP2...never really used it in JO except against the droids. Anyway...I liked the limited weapons load-out this time around. I would have been happy with the lightsaber, one hand blaster, and a larger ranged weapon, but that's just me. That's probably how I'll play the game anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Poodoo Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 Yeah, I just played it again. It does seem really watered down. You shouldn't be able to come up to a trooper and fill their chest with Flechette rounds, and they keep shooting at you. The Bryer Pistol was my favorite weapon too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy867 Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 You don't suppose these enemies are harder because of the fact that they maybe discovered what our character has had all along, a personal shield emitter, but their's is limited to not be too strong, but still protect against even a fully charged D-44 Blaster shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 They may have personal shields (according to the JK2 website reborns were supposed to have them) but you never see any green effect or sound effects to indicate they do. Some wear armor, that's about it. And yes, the headshots work great! A Human Merc dies in one shot from a fully charged BlasTech pistol to the head (and his body goes flying). Much easier than unloading an entire clip into his chest! I figured personal shield generators were not more widespread because they were so danged expensive. A nice way to explain how you can survive so much abuse. ; ) Are you guys playing on Normal Difficulty? Because as you increase, the hit points get ridiculous on enemies (at least it was that way in JK2 SP). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediNyt Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Any one shot from any gun to the face should kill I say. They need to make the guns good enough so that people want to use them. Hardly anyone stuck to guns in JK2, theyd throw a couple shots at you to lead then come in with the saber and stick with that for the whole time. (Although I think the flechette guns nades were a little too easy to use.) I say that they should make the guns more realistic as far as damage and ammo consumption goes, and make the shots move faster. I mean cmon you can dodge bolts and bullets at medium range without having Force powers. But thats just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Poodoo Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Also, it might depend on difficulty level. I found that on Jedi, it works better (at least, most guns). I could kill most enemies with one charged bryar pistol. All the other guns worked somewhat better, but bigger differences in some than others. Also, I took a good look at the models...one or two models have armor. Heavy plate armor. That could have something to do with it . Also, about the guns being Inaccurate (as some have said), this is totally false. The thing is, you have to hit the actualy pixels on the models instead of just the "box" around them. Also, if you are firing while the reticle is red, that's not going to help you. The guns shoot straight, it's just a little harder to hit things. Which is fine with me, but since the guns have been toned down...hmm. I think the only real difference of the guns, is the Flechette. They might have nerfed this one because it was too good in JO. It was, seriously...the nades were easy. Just fill a room, and people die. No skill. Anyways, I think they should have made the primary the same, and the secondary nerfed down a tad. They also might have nerfed the Golan because they added a new heavy weapon, and made it more of a medium-assult rifle. So it's kinda like 2 heavy weapons, 2 medium, 3 light...or something like that. I guess the Wookie Bowcaster would be medium, but I think you get my point. Overall, it's just different. It would take time to get used to. But that's fine with me. Plus, what if you could alter the guns in Multiplayer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillyWonka Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 The Weapons according to Destino 1- Heavy Repeater: p - Worthless light show s - Excellent weapon but too easy to use. Splash is too effective. 2- Golan p - looks really stupid, weak and useless s - looks really stupid, effective in hallways and delaying enemy advance 3- Sniper p - weak and useless s - charge up is annoying but it should be with the power this thing puts out. Worthless against saber weilding enemies. 4- W00ki3 l33t cross bow p - slow fire, ok damage, overall I avoid this weapon s - woohoo bouncy shots.....zzzzzzz 5 - Imperial assualt rifle p - better then the pistol s - fun but suffers from inaccuracy and doesn't pack much punch 6 - pistol p - Weak worthless, probably the weakest pistol in any FPS s - Better but taking the time to charge a pistol shot means either you have no other weapons or your enemy is a weak bee-atch 7 - New heavy weapon (concussion?) p - BAM DIE DIE DIE love it s - see above Over all the weapons are too out of whack. ALL should be deadly but should have other weaknesses. Take BF42 as an example the one shot rifle can kill you in a single head shot but take long to reload, the pistol can rip you up but won't beat a assualt rifle head to head. In this game you have weapons that just take too damn long to drop anyone at any range. Adjust its speed and reload rate but don't drop the power too low or it becomes useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marine Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 "The highest difficulty, you must aways play"[/Quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Poodoo Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Destino, you are wrong on most of that. The Golan "looks stupid" is just your opinion, but the Wookie Bowcaster is pretty powerful. The Pistol is better than the E-11, one shot kills and enemy, if placed correctly. If the secondary on the Heavy Repeater were any less, then it would be nerfed down too. The disrupter is meant for sniping, and that's what it's good for. The Golan is NOT useless, I use it a lot! The bowcaster secondary also shoots faster, and the bouncing was very effective in JO. You forgot the rocket launcher. This is not supposed to be a realistic game. I think the weapons are fine, maybe just a couple things could be stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thazac Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Originally posted by Destino 7 - New heavy weapon (concussion?) p - BAM DIE DIE DIE love it s - see above Gotta agree about that one though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobaFan Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Originally posted by JediNyt Any one shot from any gun to the face should kill I say. They need to make the guns good enough so that people want to use them. Well put. I guess I don't really have a problem with the way the blasters perform in SP; they do seem like Nerf guns at times though. However, in MP I feel it's imperative for them to perform well, especially when you consider Siege. Hopefully, this is either just in the demo, or just in the SP campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillyWonka Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Originally posted by Jedi Poodoo Destino, you are wrong on most of that. That is your opinion. Originally posted by Jedi Poodoo The Golan "looks stupid" is just your opinion, as are all reviews. Opinions. Originally posted by Jedi Poodoo but the Wookie Bowcaster is pretty powerful And slow. Originally posted by Jedi Poodoo The Pistol is better than the E-11, one shot kills and enemy, if placed correctly. Once again your opinion. To me the pistol is not better at all. Doesn't fit my playing style. Originally posted by Jedi Poodoo If the secondary on the Heavy Repeater were any less, then it would be nerfed down too. Problem is compared to everything else it's too good. You don't want weapons that are far better then others. That's bad design. Originally posted by Jedi Poodoo The disrupter is meant for sniping, and that's what it's good for. You don't say. Originally posted by Jedi Poodoo The Golan is NOT useless, I use it a lot! It's primary fire is useless to me in most situations. I stick with it's stupid looking secondary. Originally posted by Jedi Poodoo The bowcaster secondary also shoots faster, and the bouncing was very effective in JO. Effective? If you say so. I don't remember to many great players using bowcasters in matches. Originally posted by Jedi Poodoo You forgot the rocket launcher. Yes I did. Originally posted by Jedi Poodoo This is not supposed to be a realistic game. Really??? Originally posted by Jedi Poodoo I think the weapons are fine, maybe just a couple things could be stronger. I think the weapons are all over the palce. Some very strong some very weak. Point is all should be effective and I don't think that is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrD0min0 Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 Guns are for the weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iblis Reborn Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 the developers have had lots of practice with JK2 so im pretty sure they will do whats best they've had lots of guns vs sabers as experience so i dont doubt they will have the MP balanced well as for the SP they want you to use the saber so they made that the best weapon so you could enjoy it it wont be long now anyways so ull get to see how things will be then again less than a week is still too long to wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khaza Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 Originally posted by MrDomin0 Guns are for the weak. If this is true then the sabers are for the weak minded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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