Hermie Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 I say yes, because when you f. ex. are pointing a shotgun at your head and actually pull the trigger, you arent unsure about what you are doing. people say that they dont think about the people left behind, add that problems can be solved. people commit suicide because they have looked through their problems and cant fnd any way to solve them, and you would rather diethen confront these problems every day. as for people left behind, i belive they do think obut them, and thats why they write suicide notes, to relive the pressure from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBell Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 Im not going to vote yes or no on this because franky, I don't believe that a yes or no anwser can really explain why people commit suicide. My opinions on the subject, I don't respect what people do to themselves. Im sure they realize how much pain it will cause their relatives or those close to them, but right their is their answer. Friends and Relatives. Talk to a friend, or someone who takes care of you. Everyone had problems that they just have to deal with. Suicide is a quick alternative that has longer consequences that are just not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermie Posted November 18, 2003 Author Share Posted November 18, 2003 im not trying to figure out why they commit suicide, but if they think about the consequences of their actions. this discussion started at the Swamp, but I started this thread because i didnt find it apropiate to discuss it in a thread where someone anounced that his friend killed himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 Not really. If they get themselves into the position where they are aiming a shotgun at thier forehead, something isnt working right in thier heads. Wether it'd be a mental disease, chemical imbalance, or overdose of drug/alchohol. Reason why you see most suiciders had either depression or an overdose of a drug in the autopsy. Well, in clarification, the suicider probably does think, but definitely not as clearly or long-term as they would normally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 I wonder if anyone else thinks there might be something more to their commiting suicide. I mean if they realize others are going to be hurt and most of the time suicide in teens is so they avoid hurting others maybe there is more to it than we think. Many teens can never find the words to describe how they feel... hell most adults can't either. Just think about when you're sick and you know what it feels like but you just aren't able to describe how it feels so the other person fully understands. There has to be more horror to their pain than we see, I mean sure everyone has problems but everyone also experiences pain at certain levels, to some a needle prick is nothing, to others it could be extremely devistating so going by that emotional trauma to one person could be a breeze but to someone else it could be entirely different. Like those cases of homosexual teens that are being brought up in a extremely, almost fascist style christian home, if the parents find out imagine the horror and pain in that. I mean you have this pubescent emotional wreck growing up as something the parents dispise and disagree with. Now to some growing up homosexual wouldn't be a big deal so they'd be like " I don't see why he/she killed theirself, they're only homosexual." but if you're growing up in a house that basically wants to commit genocide on all who are like you, that's got to be horrific. Surely the kid is thinking, they might be thinking as the child (not child-like but in the state of mind as a child[you'll just have to try and understand]), they just want to please their parents/ not disappoint their parents and if their parents despise gays they're probably thinking "oh sh*t, my parents won't know what to do when they know they raised a gay child when they disagree with the entire lifestyle. They'll be so disappointed and so angry. What if people hurt them because of me?" those kinds of thoughts are going through the heads of some of my gay friends who's parents are extremely conservative, every moment they are fearing their parents will be destroyed by this. So I'm sure the kids are thinking I won't let them know I'm gay but to ensure they don't find out or what have you I'll kill myself, not only eliminating the risk but ending my mental/emotional conflict that's constantly eating away at me. Fear drives people to do risky actions. Though at the time we are thinking we later on use "rational"(or what some people call rational thought) and claim we weren't thinking, but honestly our subconcious thoughts are usually our best choices. Though conciously we disagree with them they are what make us, us. We often pick up concious beliefs just to ensure self preservation, many of these thoughts are what make people self haters, I've seen many gay men who constantly hate themselves because they ended up taking the charade of despising gays into their core beliefs, this will usually lead up to suicide or worse, constant emotional suffering. Suicide is the number one killer of gay men. Many of the men who kill themselves are the most rational and sensical people you could ever meet, suicide always seemed farthest from your mind when thinking about how they'd die. So in all I'd say for the most part people who commit suicide are consciously AND subconciously thinking about their actions. But there are cases in which I'm sure the people weren't thinking. You will always have some people on one side of the spectrum and some on the other side, it is a fact of life. PS: I chose gays for the basis of my defense because the rise of suicide in homosexual teenage males has risen drastically over the last 3 months, and I feel they have become basically the new beacon of civil rights activism. It is also easier to comprehend their suffering after seeing many news reports of anti-gay crimes and anti-gay rallies occur. I was watching a documentary called America's .... (i just forgot the second part of the name). It was talking about government stances on gay rights and how some states had enstated laws prohibiting any "gay" actions, ex. men could not hug (even if they were father and son, or so I was led to believe) I'll try and find some things to link to if I can, but I still feel that all people need to have access to the human rights. (sorry about the getting off topic just wanted to make sure noone was offended or lost by my examples) if anyone has a hard time comprehending what I have said please feel free to PM me, I understand I'm not the most understandable person and I apologize for that, I'm trying to work on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpTheHotrod Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 suicide normally happens when the tools available to them are unable to cope with the pain. Either lower the pain (nearly impossible), or give them more tools to work with (encouragement, friendship, etc...) Thnk of it as a justice balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datheus Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 They think... They think and that's exactly why they off themselves... If they really felt they were leaving anyone behind that would mourn their death, I doubt they would be suicidal in the first place. I don't really think the question is whether or not they think... If they could stop thinking, things would be dandy (read: go on a coke bender). The real question is how clearly do they think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBell Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 Hmmm, i cam across a quote in a piece done by Henry David Thoreau in "From Where I lived, and What I lived for"today that i felt pretty much summed up Suicide, although it really isn't talking about suicide. "However mean your life is, do not shun it and call it hard names.The faultfinder will find faults even in paradise" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuahtemoc Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 all you guys need to watch The Life of David Gale. It's kind of about what you're talking about. Oh, and yes, many of the suicidal ppl who put their life away think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeskywalker1 Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 i think it depends on the circumstances of the person, the person's personallity, etc... im sure most of the time your thinking, but im also sure there are times when your not... also, there are different ways to comitt suicide, you dont have to shoot yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagobahn Eagle Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 As a suffered of Major Depression and Bipolar Disorder, and as a survivor of a suicide attempt, I'm not going to waste time contributing to your search for the answer of your stereotypic thesis, or to the glaring disrespectful ignorance (Datheus, Tyrion, and Herminator, this means you). I will, however, comment to InsaneSith's post. I wonder if anyone else thinks there might be something more to their commiting suicide. I mean if they realize others are going to be hurt and most of the time suicide in teens is so they avoid hurting others maybe there is more to it than we think. Many teens can never find the words to describe how they feel... hell most adults can't either. Just think about when you're sick and you know what it feels like but you just aren't able to describe how it feels so the other person fully understands. There has to be more horror to their pain than we see, I mean sure everyone has problems but everyone also experiences pain at certain levels, to some a needle prick is nothing, to others it could be extremely devistating so going by that emotional trauma to one person could be a breeze but to someone else it could be entirely different. Wise words, I. S. Nice words indeed. The main indirect reason for suicide is the lack of coping skills. I'd bet a houndred dollars on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermie Posted November 21, 2003 Author Share Posted November 21, 2003 I used shooting himself as an example because thats what lead to this thread. click for explenation. I do not belive that most of the suiciders shoot theirself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted November 21, 2003 Share Posted November 21, 2003 Most suicides are through means of asphexiation(suffocating)... (I have a feeling I mispelled that -_- ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted November 23, 2003 Share Posted November 23, 2003 People who commit suicide are thinking, but thinking very poorly. Yes, they think that their life sucks so bad, and that their only solution is to get out - permanently. But... That's such a bad thought that you might as well just not be thinking at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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