eidospsogos Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 now don't get me wrong i know the mask is a plot device. but wouldn't those extremely dark hooded robes with a full facial mask been just a little bit of a giveaway to the jedi council that revan might be headed down the dark path. he's wearing it in a conversation with malak when they are first opening thre ruins on dantooine, and malak states that opening these ruins will cause them to be exiled from the jedi. so obviously they are still members of the order. so wouldn't revan's wardrobe been a bit of a giveaway. {EDIT} as i cannot post replies for some reason, i will respond to the comment below by asking how many other jedi do you see wearing attire similar to revan's? not any. as far as the jedi and dark jedi are concerned their attire has always been very distinctive, and pretty much unchanging throughout history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterN64 Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 well, i do agree. But there is no rule the jedi made that said that u cant wear dark robes and a mask. Who knows? Maybe it was the jedi style back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eidospsogos Posted January 5, 2004 Author Share Posted January 5, 2004 sure you see plenty of other jedi wearing them. {edit}oh my god i tried to post this reply nearly 10 minutes ago. it never went through, i come back and then here it is. okay someone do something about your servers because this is becoming unbearable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syzerian Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 so would you rather revan shrouded in complete shadow or never have his face revealed to the camera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eidospsogos Posted January 5, 2004 Author Share Posted January 5, 2004 i think i would have been happier with a face mostly hidden by shadow. jedi wear hoods all the time. they don't often wear full face masks unless they are heading down a darker path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 well, actually you never see him with the Jedi Council, just with Malak. It seems to me that since he (well ok...or her ) was already well into the Dark Side and probably had his Sith identity. The mask and robes he would have taken off when he was with the Council where he would have worn simple Jedi garb. I mean Belaya got on your case just for wearing a combat suit...imagine what they would have done for the Sith Lord uniform lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idontlikegeorge Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 It was likely they were both dabbling in the lore of the past before even being at the ruins on Dantooine... it was possible that they were on the Dark path in that scene, and Malak just considered it the point of no return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 I think it's pretty clear that they were well into the Dark Side by that point, it seems to me that Malak was just afraid of getting caught by the Jedi Council...he's spineless... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 They were ell into the dark side. Look at how Malak feels when he...hum...feels the dark side in the ruins. Perhaps the Council did not suspect it at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth MarcII Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 Just got to this plot twist, yesterday. WOW! I think a face hidden by shadow would have been better, as well. However, that would have been too obvious a plot point, though the mask was close. I think if Revan wore the mask in the presence of other Jedi, it probably would have not mattered, as Revan was a very gifted light side Jedi who, as Carth said, was never expected to fall to the Dark Side. Obviously none of the other Jedi on Dantooine recognized Revan's face so it is not possible that he/she only wore the mask when studying the Dark Force, as I first thought, though the Jedi Council recognized who Revan was as they were part of the reprogramming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Fisher Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 It almost seems that the Council could have stopped the whole Revan/Malak thing before it ever happened.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tito Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 Who said NONE of them recognized you... Of course, not counting the Council, most probably didn't knew you, but I'm quite sure that some might have... The Council probably just didn't allow any talk of you being Revan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eidospsogos Posted January 5, 2004 Author Share Posted January 5, 2004 i am not saying the council did not recognize you as being revan. they quite obviously knew this the entire time. it is made quite obvious with comments made by the council on dantooine that they are well aware of who you are before you are. what i am talking about, is in the dantooine flashback, revan is already fully decked out in the garb of the darkside. BUT malak makes the comment that if they unseal the ruins then they will be banished from the jedi order. so obviously they are still memebers of the jedi order at this point. so my quuestion is with you walking around in the garb of the sith, and still a member of the jedi order, shouldn't someone have noticed. it was really meant to be ajoke more than anything. but obviously some of us did not pay enough attention to the dialogue and plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tito Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 If you were directing that at me, I just wanna say that I understood what you said, and was replying to someone else... On that subject, I'd say that the Council never approved of him going to war with Malak, but they dissobeyed their masters, and went away... I'm pretty sure they picked up the outfits somewhere along the war, along with their love for the Dark Side, and practically never (if not never at all) went back to the Jedi Academy after that... They could still be in the Order, and just not go to the Academy... Their masters might have suspected what they were doing and felt the taint of the Dark Side in them, but chose to overlook it for the good of the Republic (as Canderous says, if Revan had been a Mandalorian, the Republic would belong to the Mandalorians)! Then, during the end of the war, they returned to Dantooine (possibly without going to the Academy) for the Star Map! And as we've all heard, after the war they went away for a long time... Just my take on the situation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted January 5, 2004 Share Posted January 5, 2004 you miss the point, he is doing something counter to the wishes of the Jedi Order when he goes into the temple, if someone happened to notice him there he probably would have already been in trouble It seems entirely possible to me that he only wore his sith garb when he was doing sith things...there are a number of cultures which revolve around sacred masks (or entire outfits) in which the power of the mask is diminished by wearing it in inappropriate situations. Revan could just be a purist As to the Jedi at Dantooine not recognizing you...well it seems likely that they did recognize you, but played dumb on council orders, like Bastila. On the other hand, if you want to argue that revan walked around mased all of the time...within the game it might make sense--there were some pretty handy masks that covered the full face and looked kind of creepy (stabilizer, sith (which is not DS only), vacuum) and you could wear them at all times. Maybe Revan's mask just happened to give +2 to all saves and granted immunity to critical hits and poison Oh...and I'm pretty sure their search on Dantooine was pre-Mandalorian Wars. The reason I think this is that Revan started that war with the intent of becoming a hero so he could command respect from the men of the fleet and use them to conquer the Republic...the Star Forge would have been at the center of that plan, and I imagine he had already found it before he started the war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whistler Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 Aye, think of Palpatine. One minute he's in normal clothes, the next he's Sithed himself up, but only when in the role of a Sith Lord. I'd be willing to be that Revan did much the same thing. In fact, the mask may have been form of disguise so that he couldn't be recognized whilst in "Sith mode". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eidospsogos Posted January 6, 2004 Author Share Posted January 6, 2004 very very true. i never thought of it that way. but to take that perspective, revan would have had to have had a devious plan the entire time, and just lulling them into his deception in his normal garb, while getting all dressed up for his sith parties. though i never meant for the comment to be much more than a joke. i meant to point out the humor of revan walking artound in his sith costume on dantooine and yet no one realizing he was on the path to the darkside. after all in the dantooine flashback, malak is still in normal attire. he doesn't look dark at all. but for all i know there wasn't even an enclave on dantooine when revan found the ruins there. it was really just a joke people. nothing to get nasty over. we all know the mask and attire of revan in the flashbacks are for the sake of a plot device. i am sure lucas's portrayal of palpatine in his sith garb in ep. 2 is the same thing. though i am unsure who out there is unaware of the fact that darth sideous and palpatine are one in the same, it still seems to me that he is trying to disguise it for the time being for whatever reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eidospsogos Posted January 6, 2004 Author Share Posted January 6, 2004 but i do tend to agree with sam up there as well. i think that the way it was portrayed, it seems as though they could have been stopped. but don't let this start another rationalizing of why no one noticed "Dress-Up Sith" Revan walking around Dantooine. i was trying to make people laugh a little, not fight. like i said i am unsure as to whether there was anything in the plot of this game that implied there was even a jedi enclave on dantooine when revan opened the ruins. anyone know? (but let's not start arguing again ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vestril Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 ignore Malak in the vision, he isnt strong like Revan, of course he wouldn't take it seriously. He thinks in pale terms... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 LOL. Clothing isn't good or evil. It's just clothing. I'm sure the bigwig Jedi had more to worry about than some guy/gal trying to set a fashion trend. Vandar: "So what's on the agenda for today?" Vrook: "Well, that gang war on Nar Shadaa is getting out of hand. A dozen innocent bystanders were killed yesterday during a fly-by shooting." Dorak: "There's also the terrorists on Corellia. Two hundred people were killed in a suicide bombing last week." Zhar: "Lets not forget the civil war on Ithor. There have been over eight million casualties just within this last month. We have to do something about that!" Some Nameless Jedi: "Everyone come quick! It's an emergency! Revan's wearing a black robe, hood, and a face mask!" All: *collective gasp* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 Originally posted by idontlikegeorge It was likely they were both dabbling in the lore of the past ..... "Dabbling in Lore" George, youve been playing too much damn RPG man !!! MTFBWYA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth MarcII Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 The magic clue, what I should have realized was on Dantooine: One of the Jedi Masters said: "Are you sure Revan is gone? What if we undertake training this one(referring to you) and the Dark Lord should return". That is a loose quote from memory, but that statement stuck in my head. Now I realize why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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