obi Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 The fight didn't happen today, but it may later. Ignore those who say "FIGHTING IS BAD! AHHH! RUN FOR THE HILLS!BLAH BLAH BLAH!" Sometimes fighting is the best way to show everyone you're not afraid. It shows them you will not be walked over, go mess with someone else. Besides, fighting saves a lot of time. You can negotiate all day and get no where. Whatever road you choose to walk down, I'm not here to judge you. (Like some of these clowns are doing) If it does lead to conflict, give it all you got! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokemaster Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 ^what he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wassup Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Originally posted by obi-wan13 The fight didn't happen today, but it may later. Ignore those who say "FIGHTING IS BAD! AHHH! RUN FOR THE HILLS!BLAH BLAH BLAH!" The message here isn't to run away like a coward, its that there is always a way to avoid violence. Not by acting craven, but by standing your ground and being disciplined with yourself. Beating the crap out of someone may make you look strong, but restraining that urge gives you strength where it counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 So he should just stand there and take a beating, not doing anything to look out for himself. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Originally posted by obi-wan13 The fight didn't happen today, but it may later. Ignore those who say "FIGHTING IS BAD! AHHH! RUN FOR THE HILLS!BLAH BLAH BLAH!" Sometimes fighting is the best way to show everyone you're not afraid. It shows them you will not be walked over, go mess with someone else. Besides, fighting saves a lot of time. You can negotiate all day and get no where. Whatever road you choose to walk down, I'm not here to judge you. (Like some of these clowns are doing) If it does lead to conflict, give it all you got! Let's see... Fighting is also a good way to: -Get suspended from school. -Get in serious trouble with your parents. -Get the crap beaten out of you. -Continue a world of pointless violence. -Make yourself no better than the bully. -Get hated by the bully even more, and now his friends will be out to get you. Do you really want all these side-effects? I don't think so! What would fighting him gain you? More enemies, for one. Plus, if you did fight, and even if you won, what makes you think he'll just leave you alone? The exact opposite, he will be out to GET REVENGE! Then the real damage happens. And by real damage I mean crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Is defending yourself from an aggresor a crime? Shame. Sure, fighting could get you into trouble, if you START IT. But if you're minding your own business and this moron comes out of no where and begins to physically abuse you, fight back, for goodness sakes! Forget morals, forget everything you've learned, just survive! Continue a world of pointless violence? Defending yourself and establishing a reputation as someone who will not be trifled with is not pointless. The bully's friends come after you even after you stand up to the bully himself? Give them the same treatment. Maybe the teachers will begin to actually look into the case and find out the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MennoniteHobbit Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Well, you see, I do agree with you obi, about fighting back, but you simply can't do it. I mean, pushing and shovin is ok, but fighting back is just like starting it... only because you agreed, at the moment you hit the other guy, that you will fight him. If you never hit him back, you're basically signaling to him that you do not want to fight, and a fight will simply not happen. The other guy will try to beat the living guts out of you, but if you don't hit back, you can tell an adminstrator what happened, other guy gets expelled, end of story. In my school, only 2 fights have happened in the past 5 years, out of like 20. This is because the victim does not fight back.... Though defending yourself is needed and only instincts, you should try to refrain from it. Otherwise, just temporarily disable your bully guy. Don't do permanent damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZBomber Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Originally posted by TK-8252 Let's see... Fighting is also a good way to: -Get suspended from school. -Get in serious trouble with your parents. -Get the crap beaten out of you. -Continue a world of pointless violence. -Make yourself no better than the bully. -Get hated by the bully even more, and now his friends will be out to get you. Do you really want all these side-effects? I don't think so! What would fighting him gain you? More enemies, for one. Plus, if you did fight, and even if you won, what makes you think he'll just leave you alone? The exact opposite, he will be out to GET REVENGE! Then the real damage happens. And by real damage I mean crime. I love you.... Obi, you don't have to fight back for defense..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokemaster Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 A friend of mine tried not fighting back. He ended up with a black eye and a swollen lip. Trust me, teachers usually understand if you fight back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wassup Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Originally posted by jokemaster A friend of mine tried not fighting back. He ended up with a black eye and a swollen lip. Trust me, teachers usually understand if you fight back. A little off-topic, but my friend was suspended for betting upon the outcome of a fight that never actually occured. I doubt very much that many teachers understand to a reasonable extent most of the things going on at most schools, and even if they do I doubt they care very much about it. Many think, "hey, this isn't my problem, I'm here to teach my sujbect, and I've got to worry about my meager paycheck and benefits too, the counselors will handle it, etc." Many teachers are simply not trained to properly handle problems like these. This also does not mean that Michael should not go seeking counsel. If he has a teacher he is close to and trusts, then I suggest he go to them right away (if the situation is serious enough). If you open your mind, hope and alternatives will always emerge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Originally posted by obi-wan13 Is defending yourself from an aggresor a crime? Shame. Please read my post a little more carefully. I don't mean that self-defense fighting is a crime. What I mean is that actual crimes could be committed against you by the bully and/or his friends. At my school, these two guys are complete enemies. One guy went over to the other guy's house... stole his bike, and hospitalized him. Originally posted by obi-wan13 Sure, fighting could get you into trouble, if you START IT. But if you're minding your own business and this moron comes out of no where and begins to physically abuse you, fight back, for goodness sakes! Forget morals, forget everything you've learned, just survive! At my school, there are no loop-holes. You hurt someone intentionally, you are considered fighting. You will be given no mercy. Administrators aren't going to investigate it... anyone who is using their brain would not fight back. Self-defense, in school, that is, is equally as wrong. I mean, self-defense in the real world can be good, if someone has broken into your house and is holding your family at gunpoint or something. But what is the point of fighting back if some bully shoves you? Ow, that kid shoved me into the locker, I got a scratch on my elbow. I'm gonna get so pissed and beat the crap outta that kid and get suspended from school because I don't know how to react properly. Originally posted by obi-wan13 The bully's friends come after you even after you stand up to the bully himself? Give them the same treatment. Maybe the teachers will begin to actually look into the case and find out the truth. Of course they'll come after you! And how are you so sure that his friends will be as easy to fight? Maybe you win against the bully, but now you gotta face his friends. And you know what the school will do after you get in fight after fight? Remove you from school - permanently. Originally posted by ZBomber I love you.... Originally posted by jokemaster A friend of mine tried not fighting back. He ended up with a black eye and a swollen lip. Trust me, teachers usually understand if you fight back. Originally posted by TK-8252 At my school, there are no loop-holes. You hurt someone intentionally, you are considered fighting. You will be given no mercy. Administrators aren't going to investigate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokemaster Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 ^You and I must go to very different schools. At mine the teachers do care about you. Anyway, sure if he shoves you it's no big deal, but once he throws a punch you do have to defend yourself. Cause in my experience these kids shove, if you ignore them they punch, if you still don't move they're really gonna start beating the crap out of you. That's what I, and i think Obi-13 mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topshot Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Originally posted by jokemaster ^You and I must go to very different schools. At mine the teachers do care about you. Anyway, sure if he shoves you it's no big deal, but once he throws a punch you do have to defend yourself. Cause in my experience these kids shove, if you ignore them they punch, if you still don't move they're really gonna start beating the crap out of you. That's what I, and i think Obi-13 mean. In my school, fighting back, and anything just plain wrong like doing drugs, will usually end up in going to see the "campus cop" , which sometimes ends up in the cuffs bein' slapped on and taking a little ride to J.D.C., Jail, or even to prison. It's best to take the long way out when walking home. Jog most of the way, look all ways to see if they're trying to entrap you (and to check for passing vehicles), then "R.L.H.!!!!!" (If you know what I mean by that.) Run as fast as your legs can take you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokemaster Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Originally posted by topshot In my school, fighting back, and anything just plain wrong like doing drugs, will usually end up in going to see the "campus cop" , which sometimes ends up in the cuffs bein' slapped on and taking a little ride to J.D.C., Jail, or even to prison. It's best to take the long way out when walking home. Jog most of the way, look all ways to see if they're trying to entrap you (and to check for passing vehicles), then "R.L.H.!!!!!" (If you know what I mean by that.) Run as fast as your legs can take you. My school's an hour away from my house, and it's a bus ride to boot. So basically if someone wants to attack you on the way home, you're screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topshot Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Originally posted by jokemaster My school's an hour away from my house, and it's a bus ride to boot. So basically if someone wants to attack you on the way home, you're screwed. Not if you plan your route, a strategy, and a backup plan. But then again, even strategies have their flaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 "R.L.H.!!!!!" (If you know what I mean by that.) Run as fast as your legs can take you. That's the ticket everyone! RUN FROM LIFES PROBLEMS! That'll really solve things. He has to go to SCHOOL with this guy. If he just runs he's just setting himself up to get knocked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysticSpade Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 DUDE DO NOT THROW THE FIRST PUNCH if anyone sees you throw the first punch you will be in the most trouble. but i am an extremely good fighter i'm tellin what you need to do is go straight for the nose. you mess his nose up his eyes will tear up and he won't be able to see. then you can wail on him real good. you just need people to take care of his lackeys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 I say throw the first punch. Sure, you'll probably get in more trouble, but if you slam him in the nose before he's even thinking of swinging, you've pretty much already won the fight. You've saved yourself alot of physical pain, and you probably would've gotten in trouble anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wassup Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Originally posted by ET Warrior I say throw the first punch. Yeah, he may have won the battle, but has he won the war? The war I'm refering to is the chain of snowballing problems that are the consequences of violence that TK-8252 stated (who throws the first punch matters not). Originally posted by ET Warrior you probably would've gotten in trouble anyways. From my point of view, this is just being ignorant. Ignorance towards the fact that you don't have to get in trouble and that you can avoid this becoming an even bigger problem. By choosing to instigate violence, you are becoming a part of the problem instead of a being a solution towards putting an end to it. Originally posted by jokemaster My school's an hour away from my house, and it's a bus ride to boot. So basically if someone wants to attack you on the way home, you're screwed. How about walking with a group of friends? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Originally posted by wassup Yeah, he may have won the battle, but has he won the war? The war I'm refering to is the chain of snowballing problems that are the consequences of violence that TK-8252 stated (who throws the first punch matters not). Just ignoring it won't make it go away either. And if you get teachers invovled, odds are that's going to create a lot MORE resentment from the bully. If the bully got beat around a little, there's a really good chance he'd try to find another target, one with less bite back. And don't give me that ignorant bull. Michealmexp lives in a little place called the real world where there is NOT always an alternative to fighting. Face it. Humans are animals, and our instincts drive us sometimes. Some people can't be reasoned with, such as most bullies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Originally posted by Tie 23 don't do any of those locking/wrestling moves b u l l s h i t they don't work HA!! Tell that to the guy who I choked out and he got in trouble for starting the fight and all I did was 'detain' him. So what if he was half-unconscience when the hall monitor got there, I wasn't breaking any rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 You guys are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying start the fight at all. I'm saying that if a jackass comes up wanting trouble, you give it to him. Even if you get beaten up, they'll know you'll fight back. Possibly, they might think twice about trying to gang up on you again. ET makes a great point, as he so frequently does, when he says you simply can't ignore it. That is just not real. It's not possible at all, unless the bully completely changes over night. So you can throw that idea out of the window. When I was in Junior High, I was made fun of frequently, and I was a main target for the bullies. Everytime they came around, they would abuse me physically in some way. I had enough of their idiocy, so I fought back. Hard. After that day, I have never been in a physical confrontation. The bullies left me alone. Not altogether, of course, but they never tried anything to harm me again. Someone said that inner strength comes from not fighting, when I know from experience that there is no such thing as inner strength. You have your wits and your arms, and thats it. There's no magical power you can use to simply sway your opponent from fighting. Bottom line, if he does something to you, you retaliate with all you've got. Give 'um Hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Originally posted by Michaelmexp Eh, the fight didn't happen today anyways. I'll erm, read all your advice later... As for now.. [Hoovers room. <.<] all this advice and you didnt read it...... and here we all are worried for you little guy !! hmmmm..... ah well, at least you have raised an interesting point of debate, and someone else who gets into a similar situation may learn something......... also, buy some pepper spray, easy to use, very effective MTFBWYA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokemaster Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Originally posted by wassup How about walking with a group of friends? It's a BUS RIDE, it doesn't matter if you walk alone or with 8 friends, if he wants to beat you up, he'll beat you up. It's on a school bus, and the person who's in charge doesn't care unless we harm the bus or something horrible. And Obi, I agree, don't throw the first punch, but if the other guy throws a punch, defend yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topshot Posted February 13, 2004 Share Posted February 13, 2004 Originally posted by ET Warrior That's the ticket everyone! RUN FROM LIFES PROBLEMS! That'll really solve things. He has to go to SCHOOL with this guy. If he just runs he's just setting himself up to get knocked out. How would you know that, though? I'm not saying he should run from his problems. He has to find an alternative. Either he's gonna have to learn to take a few punches or he's gonna have to run for safety. Violence just results in more violence. I'm sick of this senseless flaming. Grow up. Not everyone sees things your way. I think I've said enough now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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