The more disturbing issues of our time: Bouncing Boobs

[QuantumDelta]

SWP ~ Why are you on a fan/gaming forum while you are in school?

That in itself is instantly inappropriate.

 

Forums, out right, are banned in every school and college I ever attended.

It was only university that didn't mind, and, that's typically because there was something like 3 hour gaps between some of my lectures.

 

Lexx, I didn't want to do this but meh...

For future reference, please DO NOT break up my paragraphs, they are in that form for a reason, you pull a lines out of context and comment on them.

It's cheap, it's not smart, it's not going to work on someone who has been around forums as long as I have.

Sorry, like I said, I'm here to debate, not argue, not flame, not fight.

What's more sad is from the looks of it you were trying to give my post a "fair" analysis from your perspective, which means you may have genuinely read the text as you commented on it...

which.......just isn't how it was meant to be read.

Things are put into contexts for reasons, especially on forums.

 

I am neither sexist, racist or homophobic, so believe me, my farts do smell a damn sight sweeter than your foul smelling ones.

Flame?

 

Feminists only piss off sexists. Guess that's thier job eh? Heh.

With as conservative as you are on avatars, I'd call that a flame, as well.

 

I wont pull the debatable flames out of the posts because there's a few of them, and you have to quote BDs text as well, admittedly, he is being quite the (usual self) jack ass about this, but, dispite his inability to articulate his point well enough, he has a decent one.

 

The question here is why are we offended by a picture of bouncing boobs. Let me break it down for you.

 

It is hard enough for the women in this forum to feel comfortable as it is. We are faced with many stereotypes such as we are rubbish at games, don't like Star Wars, we must be ugly to be posting here etc etc. A picture of bouncing boobs belittles us further. It is a symbol of male dominance, which says one thing, women are nothing but sexual objects to be gawked at.

I didn't want to pull these sentences out of context, as I just complained about you doing the same to me.

Anyway, I wanted to comment on a couple of things in here;

 

A few of the girls I have met online, have been absolutely beautiful.

A few of the guys I have met online, have been extremely hansome.

 

When I played my second "major" online game, I became world #1 at it after a short period of refresher (year break from it).

I trained people at it, male, and female.

 

With one exception, the female pilots typically came off the better players, or at least the most improved players, because they could multitask easier and they would pay more attention, and, with one exception, their egos would get in the way less.

 

The single exception to the female pilots being better, was BD.

He succeeded me, as world #1, though I don't believe he explicitly trained more than two people after attaining that position, he did, unquestionably hold it (...apart from one psychopathic mega £%$)( which is probably half a reason BD has problem with women... ....hell, the cow did me some damage too).

 

....Anyway, I know from experience women are easily capable of giving as much as men in terms of performance at games.

 

 

By the way, this was one of the passages that made you come off as insecure which ...most feminists I've met are.

You just have to attack their points the right way to make it obvious to everyone that they are.

 

Same, to a degree, with sexists, and, very much the same with homophobes and racists....

 

It is also inapropriate for this forum. We have a certain standard to maintain seeing as there are a high number of younger members. Allowing an avatar like that can lead to a number of other similar avatars, and this is a family forum (the Star Wars forum at least).

As I have said, it breaks no legal laws, nor would it push your "rating" up if forums were ever given age certificates.

FYI, Animated avatars are banned, full stop, end of story, on the forum where I have the most influence.

 

"similiar" avatars would bea dealt with on a case by case basis as well, this one is one side of a line, most of the ones I can think of, that you might be refering to, are on the other side of the line.

 

 

 

Would it be ok to allow a picture of an animated covered bouncing penis? No it wouldn't. And yes, boobs fall into the same category.

Is it possible to find a covered, bouncing animated penis?

As far as I know, the same as a vagina, in animes, the primary sex organs are normally, only revealed in even the slightest during actual intercourse.

I don't watch enough hentai to declare that rule unbroken, but knowing how the style of the artists goes, actual nudity doesn't work very well for their storyline unless it's a final climax (forgive the pun).

 

Then again, generally speaking a lot of hentai is tenticle stuff...and demon stuff....so there isn't really a lot of male sexual parts in it....normally the men are hiding in a corner somewhere crying because their girl is being riped apart infront of them, litterally in some cases.

 

 

 

 

Both are sexual parts of the body that if presented uncovered on this forum, would be considered porn. Would it be ok to allow a picture of real boobs bouncing up and down? No it wouldn't. The fact that the avatar is a cartoon makes no difference.

If it were a cartoon nekkid part of the body it would be porn.

 

What's your point, and how is it valid to a clothed pair?

I don't see one, it's a totally different level, again.

 

Even there;

Janet Jacksons' shameless plug has revealed more during prime time national US TV, and there has been similar stuff on UK TV, though due to our conservative nation admittedly it'll probably never be as bad as it will be during the same day on a US TV.

You see Britney Spears bouncing around on TV every day, you tell your kids not to watch her? or any of the other female artists?

What about some of the guy artists who occasionally push the boundaries? ~~ No?

Double standard??

 

 

I myself have boobs in my avatar, so as you can see, I am not offended by pictures of boobs, so long as they are presented in a decent manner. If someone was to have a picture of just boobs, then I would consider it offensive aswell, for the reasons stated above.

I find your picture more of a problem because it has more detail, and, as you should know considering you've had two kids..it's "promise of" or "temptation of" not the actual "act of" that's sexual.

Sex itself tends to be under-rated, most of the stuff you'll see is all temptation, hints, etc...

 

I don't see how you come to this conclusion from what I've posted in this thread. I haven't once said it's sexist to like breasts. I like breasts. Believe it not, I'm not the prude you make me out to be, as anyone who has known me long enough or chats with me outside this forum can tell you.

I say what I see.

re-reading some of your stuff you don't come off as bad, but you may wish to drop the sarcasm, childish approaches and cheap tactics, it does make you look very much like a foaming at the mouth feminist.

 

As for painting you one way or another ~

BD knows for a fact that I state things as I see them, and like I said before.

I tend to say things with 100% Sincerity, even if, occasionally, I say them wrong and end up unpopular because of it, if you consider it as an attack, maybe you could review how you posted and note to not allow yourself to be "Attacked" in the same way in the future?

 

Believe me, some posts I've made on some forums, although they have broke the post limit for the character count (15000 words iirc) for that forum, have needed to be parced over 2-4 posts, smacked into a 20-50 page debate, and instantly destroyed any preconceptions people had about such subjects ~ it's sometimes annoying to make posts such as those, but if you truly feel so strongly about a subject, posting a long, but infallible post, is sometimes the best way to deal with it, it'll save your fingers some time in the long run.

 

(I wonder if I can "nest" quotes in this forum....)

 

me:

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on the same foot, feminists and other such groups who continue to campaign so militantly are equally ignorant and insecure/weak minded as the people they are campaigning against (we're all human, eh?)

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You

 

 

I don't agree. I am actually not a feminist, even though you may jump to that conclusion from reading this thread, but I think it is certainly a good thing that other women are standing up for our rights to been seen as equal.

You took this as an attack? and are defending yourself from it why? it was a fairly annonymous comment, it wasn't actually directed at you, You don't agree with the statement, or don't agree that you're feminist?

Because, as I said above, people who hold prejudices (though it is somewhat ironic to banbox such a large group) tend to be, ignorant, weak minded, and insecure.

Normally through lack of education.

Normally through lack of understanding.

 

I also put a sexist in the same box as a racist or homophobic, hence my mention of both in that post.

This would probably be where BD got his homophobic/racist comment from.

 

I am actually a HUGE anime fan. I love anime with a passion. I don't have a problem with how breasts are portrayed in anime at all. But we are not talking about anime, are we?

I am.

That avatar is an anime character, named Rae, and when I looked up the person who animated the avatar, I was actually quite right, in a way.....but uhh it was a girl... heh ^^;

She animated and drew the avatar in this way because she felt it signified Rae's personality.

This movement isn't sexual, either, if you look at the girls facial expression, it's a joyous/fun one....there's no classic anime ecchi blush is there?

 

I'm not avoiding anyones posts at all, as you can see.

I was trying to bring your attention to my posts so we could focus on some stuff, and get some stuff resolved.

Actually.....once you took your attention away from BD you turned back into something I can deal with fairly civily

 

so maybe you're only a foaming at the mouth feminist when there's a sexist around

 

I don't particularly care for your attitude either. Your opinion of me as a moderator doesn't bother me either. As you should know, when a moderator objects to anything, their position is instantly questioned. It's something I'm used to.

Did you read my text?

You don't care about my attitude either?

When I said I care about yours?

BD calls me a bleeding heart, there are people I quite litterally attack on another forum because I know it's the only way to effect them psychologically, but that's a special case, I worry about their child, on a lot of levels.

 

I go out of my way to try to broaden scopes ...everyone's scopes.

A lot of the time that lands me in hot water, but I'm used to it, and expect it, take me as you please ~ this is who I am, and for as long as I post here it will most likely show in every single post I make (How regularly I post here is another matter since my ethusiam for SW died with SW-1 and 2 and with the horrific line of games LA have produced ...a few, but little late, quality titles coming out now, of which SWG is most definately not one ~ remember this is coming from a high level gamer.... who plays all genres including MMOs), from your posts up until now, you have seemed someone I don't deem the type to be a moderator, this post changed the oppinion I formed from the ones I read before I signed up.

If you didn't notice preconceptions are something I don't cling to.

 

However, if such behaviour isn't irregular at the very least I would still question your position, even though I haven't decided whether it is now, or not.

 

Bare in mind, though, that many of the official forums I visit (non-official = clan or anime fandoms mainly), the moderators are NOT ALLOWED to post their personal feelings, and the moderators are kept annonymous and seperate from their normal names.

Professional detatchment. ~ I don't know how it goes, here.

 

I'm glad you agree that a real one is not appropriate, and I realise you don't think an animated one is in the same league, but I do.

Simply because I rate the avatar as anime and you don't, I think that's the difference, considering animes certificates are rated on similar, but different levels of criteria to those of live action programs.

 

 

Good choice. What? You thought I had a problem with them?

 

 

I was posting those links to provide a little background on myself, since, the only likihood of anyone knowing me here, is them being Neocron, FreeSpace2, Tribes2, or UK Counter Strike refugees, or possibly Janains or from the same place BD knows me from.

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Meh, there's a few other places I frequent but none of those posters would be here.

I disagree. The avatar is extremely childish. Believe me, I have never been insecure, nor will I ever be.

Perhaps both of us (if not everyone else as well) should stop stating oppinions as fact?

It makes both of us come off as arrogant, ignorant and extremists.

Part of the root of the problem I was talking about earlier, part of the reason you seem like a foaming at the mouth feminist.

 

I am not pushing my opinion on anyone. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Read the last quote, or possibly your own post whilst you quoted my text.

I admit, I did it as well, but, stating an oppinion as fact, whether you like it or not, is pushing your oppinion on others.

You are.

 

I put a lot of thought into my posts, do you?

Lovely context ripping you have there.

 

I think simply from the tone in my posts it should be obvious I put a great deal of thought into my own posts, I even said that, or rather suggestively placed that, comment in with the sincerity.

 

I completely agree that we are here to serve other members of this forum. How exactly am I not doing that? Because I don't want to see bouncing boobs all over the place, and penis's and whatever else people can come up, this makes me a bad person right?

It wouldn't be hard for me to do as you have done, with this paragraph as well ~ taking things out of context.

 

In short; You are not serving the community because you are pushing your own oppinions.

Whether you are oppinionated or not, surely you should be able to see that this, very act is not serving the members of the forum merely yourself.

 

I also said the avatar isn't appropriate for a family forum.

The people who rate the programs and material the avatar come from, and are paid, trained and qualified to do so, disagree.

That in itself makes you wrong.

 

My opinion that I think the avatar is degrading women remains the same.

 

I took it out of context (considering putting your first line with that) but, generally, when linked with the first line ~ again, it looks like you're pushing your oppinion on other people.

Not serving the members of the forum.

 

You don't think I've seen sexism? Heh.

 

As I said above, I have no problem whatsoever with anime.

Ever been in the army?

 

~ The avatar is, anime.

Again, this is one of the core points of my debate that you don't seem to be acknowledging.

 

Not once have I said that if a person uses that avatar, they are sexist. All my comments have been directed at the avatar itself.

How in the hell can an avatar drawn in innocense and by a girl about girls be sexist against girls?

Just the absurdity of it makes my head hurt.

In my oppinion, You're over conservative and over reacting.

 

Like I said, I love anime, but this discussion isn't about anime, it's about and animated bouncing boob avatar, in a forum, not in a film or tv series or whatever.

Wont repeat myself again you can scroll up.... (or I could just start copy pasting......)

however you can see what I was talking to Jay, about, earlier.

 

How I bring up my children is my business, and has nothing at all to do with this discussion. But I say again, I am not a feminist, even though I may come across as one.

Then a piece of advice from someone who did very well in psychology.

Try to change the way you come across, because your kids will absorb this, and will naturally look at the other sex with an "exclusion" thought in mind.

It's the same as when any white guy who thinks he's not racists walks down the street after getting off the bus to go to work, or in town, and sees a black person and looks away with a semi-guilty feeling for noting their presence more than anyone else because they're not supposed to note their prescence.

It's sub concious, and hard to control, but, it always, always, has large implications on ones child or children.

 

Again, I must disagree. The avatar does degrade women, whether you choose to see it or not.

Again, in your oppinion.

I don't see it as pornograpic either, just offensive.

Then your family forum comments are not valid what part of my earlier statements don't you understand?

Or...is that the whole taking things out of context thing I warned you about....? ¬.¬

 

I enjoy a decent debate too, when I'm not too tired after looking after two young kids and can find the time (which is rare).

That's an ironic thing to say for a person with a post count of 11.11 posts per day, currently posting at this kind of character count per post.

Someone who's amassed over 7000 posts in the space of two years.

I'd call that time.

 

 

I echo that when I say I go out of my way not to insult people, but obviously people will find offence in a lot of things they read that disagree with their opinion.

 

Oh you noticed that then...? like how certain people have been taking offence to some of the things you've been saying? or at least the way you are articulating? or ...at least your hypocritical comments...? heh... ok I'll stop.

 

I change my avatar virtually every day, to mirror what I'm into or like at the time, but I have specifically kept this avatar this long to illustrate my point. How you find this avatar more offensive than one than has boobs bouncing up and down in it is quite honestly beyond me. My avatar in no way degrades the subject.

God that sounds familiar.

Anyway, like I said further up, I find your avatar more offencive because it's more detailed, more tempting, and more suggestive.

 

I'm obviously being made out to be some feminist prude who hasn't had a good seeing to in ages, but I assure you, I'm quite the opposite. I've "got my tits out for the lads" in IRC on more than one occasion, but this isn't IRC, nor is it an anime film, nor is it anything but a forum. The question is, is this avatar appropriate for this family forum, will it lead to other avatars that are worse than it with the excuse that if one person can have bouncing boobs, then why can't I have a bouncing penis or whatever else, and is this what everyone really wants this forum to become? The answer is left to the admins.

 

This discussion also seems to being going off on many tangents that have no relevence.

I would suggest you please read Matt's comment about hypocricy in feminists before you believe getting your kit off for guys in a chat room excludes you from their ilk.

 

again, you're defending yourself and not the point... which encourage me, to make oppinions on, and, comment on, yourself.

It's an egocentric world heh.

 

Have I yet, objected to a bouncing penis?

You can probably tell from at least one of my earlier comments that I most likely wouldn't on the right forum, however since live action images are rated seperately I would say YOUR image, wouldn't be PG.

 

MMORPG Politics forces you to learn to make your oppinions very clear and precise and leaves no room for misinterperatation, heh...

 

As for tangnts.

 

The only tangents I see from the topic of the avatar are comments made about the people posting in the thread, of which you are as guilty as anyone else.

Defending yourself instead of your points, also derails threads.

 

....You should know this stuff.....?

[Ray Jones]

Originally posted by StarWarsPhreak

The biggest problem I have with the avatar is it draws unwanted attention in public.

 

If I'm at school, in a library, or even at home, I shouldn't have to worry about someone looking over my shoulder and seeing an inappropriate avatar. They'll jump to conclusions and I could get in trouble (at school).

 

If anyone has to worry about a situation like that, then it shouldn't be allowed here.

 

that "unwanted attention" was actually what i was talking about, somehow..

there is nothing "special" about it, from my point of view it's like a "bouncy" presented male chest from a womans view.

 

so i wouldnt worry much at all, because i am only at lf, at least i could explain this and show my and all the other (appropriate) avatars here.

there is nothing to hide, everyone can take a look and will see that it is a "normal" forum in the internet. and maybe that someone who is looking over your shoulder would look long enough to see that anyways.

my girl can see what i am doing with my computer, if she is interrested though.

she's tough enough to know how to take such things and surely wouldnt have to say more than "*raises a brow* now THAT must hurt in the back after a while."

 

also maybe i would say that lf is not appropriate at school, at least during lessons..

 

Originally posted by QuantumDelta

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In the mean time...some nub called ya a great quality poster.

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hey, it's alway good to now what other nubs know, and err.. you havent seen my loads of crap yet..

 

but thank you for caring enough, after all the world is small.

 

 

Originally posted by BlackDove

However although I will agree that this should be out in the open and it in fact is better for children and parents to tackle any incoming problems head on, because there is nothing wrong with it nor un-natural (I'll come back to your question in a sec), I will have to agree with Matt here, that this is indeed a Star Wars forum, not sex-ed or anime.

 

that is, undoubtedly, another fact and i agree with that, too. i just have tried to point that "communication" thing out. however, you got the idea..

[Phwaching]

Well... im unimpressed by the victorian attitudes some of you people have shown yourselves to have.

 

First off, feminism and sexism. I doubt very much of any of you are from the radical feminist (sexists) "all sex is rape" camp. And i'd also assume all of you believe in equal rights, or liberal feminism (common sense). Liberal feminists would have absolutely no problem with a 70x70 pixel picture of bouncing boobs on a cartoon girl. Who even spends more than 10 seconds looking at an Avatar? i dont even look once im used to them.

Say that everyone did look at every avatar and it actually mattered if you had a hardcore porn avatar (because in reality if one person did, you'd get used to it and stop looking)

 

The avatar has an anime babe with bouncing boobs. Boobs are seen everyday in every context. Theres been a steady loss of taboos about breasts. Welcome to 2004. This forum is still somewhere in the 1970s. I'm unimpressed that you could make such a big deal of it, going as far as to censor it. If anyone is offended by it, perhaps they should think about their own prudishness. The avatar was never meant to offend (if it was, it should be taken down) its just a stupid but mildly amusing avatar. Some 10000 words in you guys should have taken a raincheck and realized you were taking this way too seriously.

 

Jed and Lexx, as mods go, im unimpressed. Your original post was inciting lexx and Jed you didnt help, especially with your chronic wit deficiency making you look even stupider than you already do. Lexx, you've been flaming and abusing your mod position in this thread and also taking advantage of being a woman in a male dominated community. good job.

 

To sum up

You = Victorian censors with an outdated set of taboos.

BD, QD and Phwaching = The voice of the people. Those who refuse to stand for your fascist bull****.

Avatar = Harmless fun.

Radical feminists = RONG.

Conservatives = RONG.

 

got it?

[El Sitherino]

Originally posted by Phwaching

To sum up

You = Victorian censors with an outdated set of taboos.

BD, QD and Phwaching = The voice of the people. Those who refuse to stand for your fascist bull****.

Avatar = Harmless fun.

Radical feminists = RONG.

Conservatives = RONG.

 

got it?

you = need schooling.

also, their action was based upon people having reported the avatar, jump on them and I shall destroy you.

[Guest Jed]

Originally posted by Phwaching

Well... im unimpressed by the victorian attitudes some of you people have shown yourselves to have.

 

First off, feminism and sexism. I doubt very much of any of you are from the radical feminist (sexists) "all sex is rape" camp. And i'd also assume all of you believe in equal rights, or liberal feminism (common sense). Liberal feminists would have absolutely no problem with a 70x70 pixel picture of bouncing boobs on a cartoon girl. Who even spends more than 10 seconds looking at an Avatar? i dont even look once im used to them.

Say that everyone did look at every avatar and it actually mattered if you had a hardcore porn avatar (because in reality if one person did, you'd get used to it and stop looking)

 

The avatar has an anime babe with bouncing boobs. Boobs are seen everyday in every context. Theres been a steady loss of taboos about breasts. Welcome to 2004. This forum is still somewhere in the 1970s. I'm unimpressed that you could make such a big deal of it, going as far as to censor it. If anyone is offended by it, perhaps they should think about their own prudishness. The avatar was never meant to offend (if it was, it should be taken down) its just a stupid but mildly amusing avatar. Some 10000 words in you guys should have taken a raincheck and realized you were taking this way too seriously.

 

Jed and Lexx, as mods go, im unimpressed. Your original post was inciting lexx and Jed you didnt help, especially with your chronic wit deficiency making you look even stupider than you already do. Lexx, you've been flaming and abusing your mod position in this thread and also taking advantage of being a woman in a male dominated community. good job.

 

To sum up

You = Victorian censors with an outdated set of taboos.

BD, QD and Phwaching = The voice of the people. Those who refuse to stand for your fascist bull****.

Avatar = Harmless fun.

Radical feminists = RONG.

Conservatives = RONG.

 

got it?

 

Hold a sec, you just registered and you have a stance on this?

 

And sorry for my post, but I need to remember that when you fight with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

 

*shrugs*

 

Oh, and another thing, am I rong or wrong? Two different meanings.

 

Wrong would imply I'm incorrect.

 

Rong would imply you suck at teh intarweb.

[El Sitherino]

Originally posted by Phwaching

Welcome to 2004. This forum is still somewhere in the 1970s.

actually the 70's were the golden age of gratuateous nudity with no purpose other than to show naked breasts. and the 70's were also the golden age of porn. Choke on that while you come up with a new analogy of what time period this forum is in.

[Phwaching]

Originally posted by Jed

Hold a sec, you just registered and you have a stance on this?

 

And sorry for my post, but I need to remember that when you fight with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

 

*shrugs*

 

Oh, and another thing, am I rong or wrong? Two different meanings.

 

Wrong would imply I'm incorrect.

 

Rong would imply you suck at teh intarweb.

 

Before i address your points oh mighty moderator, i must first tell InsaneSith that he is a ****tard who wasted 10 seconds of my time to post that ridiculous remark about attacking me although he knows neither who i am nor my location. good job asshat!

 

Now Jed, lets address your points, but like you say, i ought not to get in too much of an argument with you or you might drag me down to your level (although we may not have enough time for me to get from my level to yours) and then perhaps you will beat me with experience. I doubt however this is the case, as you are not intelligent enough to address my points, preferring to look like a fool in front of your community.

 

Lets look at the start of the post: You just registered and have a stance on this? good question genius, had you bothered to read my post you would have noticed that the answer is yes, i do have a stance. you know how i decided upon it? i read most of the thread and then combined my personal opinions with the matter at hand and replied. You however prefer the "ignore the subject and post a random brainfart" approach. While i could perhaps accept this from a mere user, you would think that a moderator who has been hand picked for that position would perhaps consider replying in the context of the thread.

 

Finally, Rong would imply i suck at the intarweb? you go ahead and insult my clearly deliberate spelling by deliberately mispelling internet? I notice you forgot that in trying to own me you might have wanted to include something clever or insulting rather than proving my previous points about you being dropped on your head as a baby.

[BlackDove]

Ehh, I guess I should explain. I told a few of my fellow mods/admins to take a look at the thread for a few different reasons. Anyway, the opinions weren't fixed or anything like that, they more or less chose to post themselves (actually I told Quantum not to post because I really thought he'd go against me on it, and I didn't want to suffer long posts - having to refute them, see it's much easier to reply to leXX one liners, if I even need to do that, since sometimes a point doesn't exist), but I told Phwatching also to keep an eye on it, because he has a - what I thought was a well informed view on different kinds of feministic behaviour, more informed than me anyway. His attack on you Jed I didn't expect, but I just had a good laugh

 

By the way, since we're all mods/admins of a couple of communities, we have fantastic insight on good mods and bad ones, and are able to judge very fast. For example, it doesn't take a genius that Matt here is a great admin, because he could have handled the thread in a lot of ways. And I almost know all of the scenarios it could have been handled (like for example, the way you started Jed ) - not that there's really many RONG things about going your way, it's just that valor is best expressed in the way Matt did it (so far). I actually feel a bit bad that I have to dump on leXX, because it's the admins that set up the mods, and the successors reflect upon the ones they've successed (having known Matt since he was a fixed mod - meaning not super). Obviously in this case, looking at it that way, I'd be wrong about Matt.

[Phwaching]

Originally posted by InsaneSith

actually the 70's were the golden age of gratuateous nudity with no purpose other than to show naked breasts. and the 70's were also the golden age of porn. Choke on that while you come up with a new analogy of what time period this forum is in.

 

That was silly of me, i thought that it was decade comprising of a backlash against the free love and hippy type movements that the 60s embodied. In fact, wait! i actually know that Radical feminism has its roots in the early 1970s. Well, that would make your point about the 1970s being a decade of breasts slightly wrong. It also makes as much sense as me saying the 1920s was the decade of the left testicle.

 

If you actually gave a ****, you could check what im saying by doing a little research, but the words might be a bit long for you.

[QuantumDelta]

Originally posted by Jed

Hold a sec, you just registered and you have a stance on this?

I wonder if this comment detracts from my posts...

I'm a lurker by nature these days... I always am when not faced with responcibilities on a forum...

And sorry for my post, but I need to remember that when you fight with an idiot, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

 

*shrugs*

 

Oh, and another thing, am I rong or wrong? Two different meanings.

 

Wrong would imply I'm incorrect.

 

Rong would imply you suck at teh intarweb.

Yeay more super mod flamage -_-

You guys want flame throwers?

o_o

 

Insane ~ I think he was refering to the whole revolution in terms of rights and things .....wrong in decade, but only by about two years....

 

edit;

okay now this thread is boned

[BlackDove]

Well I'm not responsible for Reaps' welfare here, but I do like the fact he doesn't care about going at it that hard with a mod, because in this place, it's quite fast that you can get banned just because one of them thinks it's needed.

 

About the thread being boned, yeah it has taken a sidecourse, but since one of the mods contributed to the derail - well you can't blaim us completely

[El Sitherino]

Originally posted by Phwaching

That was silly of me, i thought that it was decade comprising of a backlash against the free love and hippy type movements that the 60s embodied. In fact, wait! i actually know that Radical feminism has its roots in the early 1970s. Well, that would make your point about the 1970s being a decade of breasts slightly wrong. It also makes as much sense as me saying the 1920s was the decade of the left testicle.

 

If you actually gave a ****, you could check what im saying by doing a little research, but the words might be a bit long for you.

... you obviously have not seen many 70's horror films nor the abundance of over 20,000 pornos made in the 1970's alone. Yes the 70's were an uprise in feminism, but if YOU researched it was a large reaction to the uppity in the nudity in movies.

[Phwaching]

Originally posted by InsaneSith

... you obviously have not seen many 70's horror films nor the abundance of over 20,000 pornos made in the 1970's alone. Yes the 70's were an uprise in feminism, but if YOU researched it was a large reaction to the uppity in the nudity in movies.

 

Jesus christ, you people talk a lot of bull****. (Hey mods, wanna censor me for saying Jesus? maybe im one of those religionist bastards) Radical feminism came about as not only evolution of liberal feminism and the suffragettes but as a reaction to the more easygoing attitudes of the 60s AND women coming out of abusive relationships (note: Andrea Dworkin) It started in the late 60s and flourished in the 70s.

 

Regardless, i dont know why we have to have the conversation. If i gave enough of a **** (because im gonna be banned for owning mods who think they're special..again) i'd tell you your attitudes were stuck in the 50s rather than the 70s because then i think you'd find it harder to argue about unimportant things like the decade rather than the fact you are going about with this far right fascist censorship. Oh and by the way, before you start taking me up on the point, i dont care that ideologically its not really a fascist thing. So shut the **** and up and go play in traffic you stupid nerd. (insane sith, rofl.. when you came up with that nick were you sitting at the computer looking for the best combination of letters to make you look like a fat 12 year old nerd?)

[Redwing]

Good freaking lord.

 

I try so hard to avoid this thread, and yet people KEEP linking to it, so I guess I'll just say a few somethings, post by post, because it's easy and I'm lazy.

 

and even though I am a sexist

 

I'm sure you can see how you can't have a bias as nasty as this, admit and glory in it, and expect people to take your arguments seriously.

 

A man's chest is not a sexual part of his body.

 

A woman's is? Seriously, having not exactly been raised in this culture, I can't see anything now that tells me that a woman's chest is sexual, since it isn't involved in, er, procreation. It seems to me that it's considered sexual because it's "forbidden" and must always remain covered (which pardon me, seems a bit sexist since shirtless male chests are just FINE), and are "different" - i.e. different from that which a male has, and because any female part that doesn't coincide with a male part must be sexual because women are nothing but sexual objects. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the impression I've gotten.

 

It is a symbol of male dominance, which says one thing, women are nothing but sexual objects to be gawked at.

 

That I agree with. I don't agree with the reasoning behind it, but it is what society has made it. Saying it's a symbol of male dominance is stretching things over a wide and nasty casual chain (which is how male dominance came to be in the first place, if you know anthropology), but it's still true.

 

Both are sexual parts of the body that if presented uncovered on this forum, would be considered porn.

 

Again, well said. (Even though again, I don't agree with the reasoning behind the labeling of "sexual parts". But just because I don't agree with it doesn't mean it's not true.)

 

I can say bouncing boobs are inappropriate and still ones aren't, because bouncing boobs, as you've said yourself, are purposefully drawing your attention to them, which gives the avatar one purpose and one purpose only, "look boobs!".

 

Again, nail on the head. Even if breasts aren't really sexual objects, the majority of society sees them as such. Hence - "bouncing boobs" pictures like the one in question fall under sexual objectification.

 

I admit, in todays society, boobs are regarded as a lesser sexual object than a penis. This doesn't change the fact that they are still sexual objects nethertheless.

 

Now this, to me, seems like backwards reasoning, for what should be obvious reasons. But that's not super relevant.

 

What I am not able to accept, is that anyone who found that avatar to be amusing, very well made, and nice - and I was one of the people who found it all those things, to be labeled as women abusers/insulters and sexists, as your assistant pointed out.

 

Obi wasn't labeled that. You don't appear to mind.

 

Good lord, all these people registering to post pages long topics... *Scrolls*

 

*Scrolls down to matt's post*

 

*Wonders if this post is even appropriate any longer*

 

*After looking around a bit, decides since no new threads have been posted as he suggested, it is*

 

Feminists only piss off sexists. Guess that's thier job eh? Heh.

 

Or Feminist (baka...).

 

Both these statements are not correct. I guess you could say true feminists only piss of sexists, yes. But there's many groups of 'feminists', some of who are completely opposed to each other. It seems to me that everyone assumes every "Feminist" is the same, and everyone tends to pick what they think are universal feminist beliefs from either the "Males are universally evil/inferior" or "Male and female are created equal"...(I'm fairly sure I hit those nails, though I may have missed a bit )

 

Also Taboo is the effect that drives sexuality, in some cultures breasts aren't a big deal and are shown without tops.

 

Much as I hate to (), I have to agree with what IS said. Bah, if this was a few decades earlier, we'd be spazzing over female ankles.

 

Sexism to me is something I don't think lexx has ever seen, abuse of women (physical or mental) or men, simply because of which sex they are

 

Sexism is not just limited to abuse. Sexism is discrimination based on gender, including "attitudes, conditions, or behaviors that promote stereotyping of social roles based on gender."

 

....But it seems that's already been said.

 

I'd like to wonder how you can possibly justify sexism in yourself, as Blackdove seems to. But maybe that's just me...

 

Good freaking lord, again.

 

I have class, and can't read the rest of this thread, so if I missed important stuff in my marathon post, feel free to, uh, shoot me. Or something less painful, hopefully.

[Phwaching]

interesting redwing.. i couldn't quite see your view.. but feminist is as general a term as anarchist.

 

From those just campaigning for equal right (liberal feminists) to those who think they should live in seperatist lesbian communes (radical feminism) and in between anarcho-feminism, marxist-feminism, feminist-marxism, socialist-feminism and others.. none of which are going to be explained to the mods or insanesith because they wouldnt understand.

[BlackDove]

Replying to Redwing

 

Yes of course, I do have a bias, but you said yourself that sexsism doesn't have to refer to abuse. Mine isn't very large, but yes, it's there. I thought it rather to say I am one, because I AM one, than to just simply keep silent about it and hide it. It's nothing to brag about, but I won't deny that it's true when it comes to me.

 

Also, I saw her posts as saying everyone on the boards was pretty much what I said I won't tolerate. Obi since he's one of the men, too of course. I just put me first, because that's what I care about here. If other people cared, they'll post it for themselves or make their own threads.

 

Nice to see you though I was going to relay you to the thread, but you had the busy sign on MSN.

[Guest Jed]

Naw, of course not, I really derailed the thread. At this point I'm just having a bit 'o fun, if nobody noticed...

 

But seriously, I'm quite happy. Seems that an old friend of ours has joined us under the name Phwaching? Nice alias, man. How have ya been, my former LFJA apprentice?

 

BlackDove, you refered to him as Reaps?

 

Yep, that's who I think he is...

[El Sitherino]

Originally posted by Phwaching

interesting redwing.. i couldn't quite see your view.. but feminist is as general a term as anarchist.

 

From those just campaigning for equal right (liberal feminists) to those who think they should live in seperatist lesbian communes (radical feminism) and in between anarcho-feminism, marxist-feminism, feminist-marxism, socialist-feminism and others.. none of which are going to be explained to the mods or insanesith because they wouldnt understand.

How do you know what I would understand? are you me? no. there for keep your subtle flames to yourself.

[BlackDove]

Yeah, because his nick at our place is Reaper.

 

He's here for the first time, and LF has a ton of nicks. So you shouldn't be able to know him.

[Guest Jed]

Oh no, I know the young sir quite well.

 

He's what now, 14, maybe?

 

And I thought I reformed you, Reaper.

 

And no, BlackDove, this boy has been here before...wonder why he doesn't use his old account...

 

And can we keep the flames down, old buddy? Not going to ban you unless I've given you at least 2 warnings...and flames only get temp bans. Then again, I don't really want to ban anyone. I'm just a poor, misguided fascist mod.

[BlackDove]

Actually he's about to go into the Israeli army and is way more than 14. Definatly not your guy.

[QuantumDelta]

Redwing;

Thank you for pointing that out, though, in my mind if I were to meet a feminist who strongly believed both men and women are/should be equal and campaign for that, I would simply see someone with the same perspective as I have on the matter...

 

Therefore to me that person is not a feminist....if that makes sense.

 

No one ever explained that factionalisation of the group, so I didn't know.

 

Thank you...

 

Someone more neutral than myself....that be rare...

I just play devils adv. too much.

 

...Okay so some of the people in these forums are far better than average ¬.¬

Might start posting here more....

damnit... I visit too many forums already

 

I don't really have anything more to add just yet, just waiting for Lexx's comment(s) and then begin to round up and decide...heh...

[swphreak]

SWP ~ Why are you on a fan/gaming forum while you are in school?

That in itself is instantly inappropriate.

 

Forums, out right, are banned in every school and college I ever attended. It was only university that didn't mind, and, that's typically because there was something like 3 hour gaps between some of my lectures.

 

I never said I was on the forums during class, but I do visit the forums if I'm bored during lunch, or if I have nothing to do during 3rd period webteam.

 

And if forums are banned, I'm sure it would be filtered. It's not, so I really don't care if they were not allowed in your schools.

 

I notice no one is bothering to do what matt suggested. It would certainly get this over with, and end this sad debate.

[Guest Jed]

Originally posted by BlackDove

Actually he's about to go into the Israeli army and is way more than 14. Definatly not your guy.

 

So he's leaving England to go fight for the Israels?

 

And don't play smart, boy - his IP leads to England.

[BlackDove]

Ehh, I'll have him explain, I'm not really _sure_ what he's going to do in Israel, but I know it'll be of some help for the general human race. (must have missinterperted what we were talking about on our forums)