Zoom Rabbit Posted May 26, 2004 Author Share Posted May 26, 2004 (Oh, I just knew the bloody wall was going to come into this somehow...) Sorry, but infinity cannot be blue. The detection of any color by a perceiving mind indicates the reflection of a particular wavelength by that which is thought to be infinite. Mice wear hats in Spain. Since anything infinite cannot by its particular nature be just a thing, the reflection of any photons in a certain wavelength would be highly unlikely. Therein lies the great fundamental flaw with infinity. Anything infinite would be a totality, extending to every point in the universe; logically, you could not yourself exist in the same universe with it, because it would occupy the same space as you! Therefore, if it's infinite...it can't be a thing; it can only be the potential for the existance of a thing (expressed mathematically as: 0). There's your wall. Call it infinite, and logic allows you to walk right through it. Watch your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Jones Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 Originally posted by Joshi .. but I do believe that there may be something else. And the digital nature of analogy can kiss my arse. The beginning of existence started with a bang, followed by the dropping of an egg and cress sandwich. a) of course there will be something else. human language isnt powerful enough yet to express what it is. until then we have to use what we have. yet we have (several) concepts of infinity for instance. and who am i to claim i am right, anyways? b) the bang is not excluded by "digital analogy". also i listed both seperate. digital analogy and beginning of existence. I have stared into the infinite And it is nothing. It is also blue (not black, common misconseption) from my point of view it cannot be nothing and blue at the same time. maybe it can be percieved as such, but rather not. And Chaos was never born, he was around before the birth of time, he was around before pestilence, famine, war and death. He was the beginning. he? .. ... whatever. a) i was talking about the principle of chaos. b) the cannot be a before "birth of time". c) basicly the principle of chaos needs time, mainly because it's "using" iteration. d) pestilence, famine, war and death are completely "irrelevant". And was the wall running, or was the world just moving around it? both, of course. Originally posted by Zoom Rabbit Therefore, if it's infinite...it can't be a thing; it can only be the potential for the existance of a thing (expressed mathematically as: 0). exactly. infinity is not a (common) thing. infinity is more about a concept to "describe" the undefinable, or not clearly definable definable if you want. (sounds weird, is weird .. *shrugs* get over it, mkay? .. ) infinity is neither small, large, loud, silent or whatever. after all it is not even "existing". mccoy: teh coolness .. who chooses something like de/bio anyways? unluckily the nice girls (at my time) .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edlib Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 Originally posted by Joshi And Chaos was never born, he was around before the birth of time, he was around before pestilence, famine, war and death. He was the beginning. Something about that reminds me of Michael Moorcock's writing... hmmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrMcCoy Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 Originally posted by edlib Something about that reminds me of Michael Moorcock's writing... hmmmm... me too... maybe i should ask arioch about that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 Okay, so most of my last post was a joke. Chaos was meant to be the fifth horseman of the apocalypse (which is why I mentioned death, pestilance, war and famine) The whole blue thing was a joke as well, I was just messing with your heads and amazingly, you fell for it. Not expected. as a matter of fact, the infinate cannot be black, nor blue nor white. White is a colour as is black, they are not simply the absence of colour, and therefore, if the infinate was to be a colour would be to have it contradict everythuing zoom said and therefore it must be nothing as nothing has no colour. And for us to exist within the same universe as the infinate, it must be something, but then that something would have to occupy the same space as us and since we live in a universe with everything, the infinate must be held within a parallel universe of nothing. Of course if you believe in parallel universes, you must believe in heaven and hell as well. Stands to reason. And ray, you say our language isn't developed enough to explain all this? Fine. The Meaning of life is mkonf. It's a word I just made up, but that's what it is. End of story. Edlib and DrMcCoy, I have never read Michael Moorcock's writings, this is simply a statement I have devised myself from other writings. But of course, before order, there must have been chaos and with order comes the lines of famine, pestilence, war and then death. therefore chaos came before that. and we can never be sure as to what it was that caused the universe to come into being if indeed it started somewhere (or maybe if just lies on the infinate of time) and so because we don't know and a lot of varying theoruies have come about, it must be put down to chaos, at least until we know for sure. therefore chaos was around at the birth of time. These are all my own thoughts (mostly made up on the spur of the mo) but of course they are all effected by outside sources, everything is, but I'm sure as hell not quoting anybody. I'm also not claiming to be right, there is a very high possibility that I'm wrong, but frankly, that's just the learning curve of life. *EDIT* I find it quite ironic that this just so happened to come into my email box today. You can't really argue with Scott Adams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoom Rabbit Posted May 28, 2004 Author Share Posted May 28, 2004 Wow! That is just the most amazing coincidence example of synchronicity...! I'll buy the meaning of life being mkonf for its applicability within the zen tradition, but what is the purpose of meaning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Jones Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 mkonf is short for "make onf"! *onf* now my life has a meaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrMcCoy Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 *onfonfonfonfonf* it feels great! ... *shrug* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 Originally posted by RayJones mkonf is short for "make onf"! *onf* now my life has a meaning. You mean it didn't before? And can anyone find me an exact definition of the word onf in any language (no acronymes accepted) And the purpose of meaning is to give something a purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoom Rabbit Posted May 28, 2004 Author Share Posted May 28, 2004 Originally posted by Joshi And can anyone find me an exact definition of the word onf in any language (no acronymes accepted) According to this webpage, onf is a technical expression used in musical notation for the guitar. Delighted to be of assistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 Ah. So the meaning of life is to play guitar. It's all so clear now. Keith Richards was right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Jones Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 my life.. a meaning? there is hardly a reason why i live.. well.. except for the one.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edlib Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 So,.. I've had it right all along and didn't know it! (Well... deep down inside I really did! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 I think deep down, we all knew it. I just brought it out. 42 indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Jones Posted May 29, 2004 Share Posted May 29, 2004 42 is the reason why i live?? if it's a number, then it can only be 69 and something went really really bad wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted May 29, 2004 Share Posted May 29, 2004 Why in God's holy name, (sorry) would the meaning of life be a number?! There would be no meaning to that! I would go into a huge rant about this, but instead, I'm so angry, I'm just gonna go and lie down. Then maybe I'll kill someone. Now who's next on my list... Ah! Capn Loogie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinkie Posted May 30, 2004 Share Posted May 30, 2004 Phew, I was afraid my time had come around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 Oh god, two years later and I'm sitting here, reading through this thread, wishing me to shut the f**k up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrMcCoy Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 *onf* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjølen Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 Damnit. You got my hopes up. I thought old people were returning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Jones Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 Somehow, they did. Almost literally, they all came here from the future to kick some past I's butt or simply for makin' good ol' onf. *sigh* Good job, Ray, for buggin' the hell outta Neil. Consider at least minimal usage of capitals, though. XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 Hmm, yes, there does seem to be some kind of time disrepency here, I seem to have reverted back to a newb as I have no idea what onf is :s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Jones Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 The Meaning of life is mkonf. It's a word I just made up, but that's what it is. End of story. mkonf is short for "make onf"! Again, less cheeba could do the trick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshi Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 Wait... so I came up with it?! Well by Mink, I did... You'd think reading through the whole thing yesterday I'd have realised that... oh onf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Jones Posted September 6, 2006 Share Posted September 6, 2006 It goes *onf*, spoothead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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