El Sitherino Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Originally posted by reelguy227 i dont blindly follow.i choose to follow ,and if i worship and God isnt real when i die ,so what, i spent my life worshiping and Hes not real ,then i wont go to Hell ,but if i do worship then i will go to Heaven ,so technically if im wrong about God (which i dont believe) then i will be dead in the ground and nothing will happen ,but if im right ill be with Him ,thats all i have to say .whats the point of you even trying to convert me to agnostism or atheism ,is it going to make my life better ,im going to die anyways ,big whoop. dude, noone is trying to convert you. We're just trying to get you to stop using your BELIEFS as facts, and imposing your beliefs on others lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reelguy227 Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 i never was imposing my beliefs on your lives and never was .and dude , my beliefs are my facts.and i vote on religious principles not political . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Originally posted by reelguy227 i never was imposing my beliefs on your lives and never was .and dude , my beliefs are my facts.and i vote on religious principles not political . acting like christianity is the only religion with marriage is imposing. Stating your beliefs as actual facts is imposing. You have the right to your beliefs but they should not be forced upon others to follow. Your beliefs are opinion not fact. Fact requires evidence, empirical evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinWalker Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Originally posted by reelguy227 I DONT BLINDLY FOLLOW ,IVE RESEARCHED MY RELIGION , Where do you get your research material/information? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnsU Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 The Bible is where Christians research their religion, everyone should know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinWalker Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Originally posted by yaebginn what evidence is there to disprove it? give it to me numercially please. like 1. 2. 3. 1.) The Noachian Flood myth. Geologic evidence suggests a different set of events than reported by the myth, which is a clear literary evolution of earlier myths of the region's polytheistic religions -namely the Gilgamesh epic. 2.) The number of religions in the world are in the hundreds, yet each has the same assumption that it is the only correct or true religion. The cannot all be correct, therefore only one can be or none can be. The odds are equally in favor of none as with one, but distinctly against the one being xianity. 3.) Xian doctrine and texts rely on fables, myths and legend such as the Noachian Flood myth, as well as creation mythology and stories of "great miracles." Current xianity treats each of these stories as 100% truth and inerrant rather than myth or fable, which invalidates the entire religion since it relies on lies. The Noachian Myth, treated as 100% truth becomes a lie. Others do as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinWalker Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Originally posted by BurnsU The Bible is where Christians research their religion, everyone should know that. Not a very independent source, now is it? In fact, that isn't research, it's simply circular-justification and internal confirmation. To truly research religon, one must examine if from the outside. Research other religions. Read Emil Durkheim, Victor Turner, Bronislaw Malinowski, Robert Bellah, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnsU Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 I don't care about other religions, Christianity is what I choose because I believe in it. It just feels right to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack "odc" one. Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Originally posted by yaebginn When I was maybe 7 or 8 and I first started liking girls. Cause there is an age where u choose. But its not as simple. It happens fast. You dont get born gay, you have to make the descision. Did you just noticed you like a certain girl or sat you down in the cellar thinking something like "Hmm. Shall i like girls or boys? OK. Girls. Hmmm. That one."? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieStarWarsGeek Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Originally posted by yaebginn When I was maybe 7 or 8 and I first started liking girls. Cause there is an age where u choose. But its not as simple. It happens fast. You dont get born gay, you have to make the descision. Ah, young man.. There is no age when you choose. Lower school, High School, College, middle age, senior years.. You can change teams anytime. My old roommate's mom divorced his dad when he was younger, and now she's a lesbian. She's still the same person, but in love with someone else. Do you even know a single gay person personally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinWalker Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Originally posted by BurnsU I don't care about other religions, Christianity is what I choose because I believe in it. It just feels right to me. That's fine by me and I'm happy for you. But you cannot say with honesty that you "researched" your religion, only that you are well-versed in its propaganda. I realize you aren't the person who originally posed the idea, but you did chime in when I asked him the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaebginn Posted August 12, 2004 Author Share Posted August 12, 2004 1. For one, they found the Ark of Noah. For two, other cultures have their own interpretation of the flood, africans have other stories of it, but there was a flood, according ot evidence and all these other cultures. 2. That is not evidence, that is just saying that one might be wrong or one might be right, statistically. In that sense, any could be right, but I have put my soul on the line that christianity is the correct one. 3. Again, back to Noah, which I explained in number 1. And I choose not to be gay, just as I can choose to be gay, you roommates mom chose to be gay cause of the divorce or whatever. life is all full of decsiosn. Like I could choose to go back and chnage my spelling errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 That's funny, because never in my life did I CHOOSE not to be gay. I simply happened that I find myself attracted to women, and not to men. Even if I thought being gay was neat, I couldn't do it, I'm just not attracted to other men like that. I'd like a source, proving that they found the ark of Noah, and proving that it was in fact Noah's Ark, and he housed 2 of EVERY creature inside of it, with enough food to keep them alive for however many days it was. Do you not register the impossibility of it? To build something THAT massive would have taken him YEARS to accomplish by hand, and it would have had to be bigger than an oil tanker Edit - not to mention keeping the carnivores from eating all the other animals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaebginn Posted August 12, 2004 Author Share Posted August 12, 2004 it did take him along time. just like if I got up and used the bathroom right now, you wouldnt know it, cause you are reading, and you cant tell how much time passed. Maybe I took a walk just now, and its been an hour. you just dont know. and it would have ben hard, yes, but not at all impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieStarWarsGeek Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 It wasn't because of the divorce. The divorce was because she turned lesbian. They have not found Noah's ark. They think they have, but it is not proven. hehehe... You should listen to me and ET before we tell you things you do not want to know about the ark story. btw ET- 40 days and 40 nights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reelguy227 Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Originally posted by InsaneSith acting like christianity is the only religion with marriage is imposing. Stating your beliefs as actual facts is imposing. You have the right to your beliefs but they should not be forced upon others to follow. Your beliefs are opinion not fact. Fact requires evidence, empirical evidence. i never said that christianity is the only religion with marriage and when i say facts ,they are facts to me ,they dont have to be facts to you ,i never was imposing my beliefs on you . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupes. Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Originally posted by yaebginn And I choose not to be gay, just as I can choose to be gay, you roommates mom chose to be gay cause of the divorce or whatever. life is all full of decsiosn. Like I could choose to go back and chnage my spelling errors. Wrong. You don't chose not to be gay, you chose not to have sexual realtions with men. Even if you did have sex with another man, you would not turn gay, you would still be a heterosexual, only you would have had sex with another man. Just like you never chose to be heterosexual (it came naturally), homosexuals never chose to be homosexuals. Even if they went aginans their heart and body, and had sexual relations with members of the opposite sex, they would still be homosexuals, nothing can change it. Originally posted by yaebginn Ah, young man.. There is no age when you choose. Lower school, High School, College, middle age, senior years.. You can change teams anytime. My old roommate's mom divorced his dad when he was younger, and now she's a lesbian. She's still the same person, but in love with someone else. Do you even know a single gay person personally? You friend's mom always was homosexual or bisexual, she only decided to follow her heart from that point on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Originally posted by DieStarWarsGeek btw ET- 40 days and 40 nights. It rained for that long, but it took several hundred days for the waters to subside enough for there to be dry land to walk on again And as for that George Bush comment that came out of left field, I'll accept that he MAY win the election, but it certainly won't be a landslide. Bush has pissed off too much of MY generation, the youth who never show a big turnout in the polls. It is my belief that this election will see one of the biggest turnouts for voters under 25 that has ever been seen. And those out there will be voting Kerry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reelguy227 Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 how old are you ET? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 I found another interesting story in the bible, but it seems to be a lie......These are from the book of Luke.... 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. 21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; 21:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. 21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. It seems to be saying that the end of the world and Jesus' return were going to happen before the generation during Jesus' time died....yet they died a long time ago...and many generations have passed, and the world just keeps on going. Did God change his mind? Edit - he said the same thing in Mark too.... 13:25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. 13:28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near: 13:29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors. 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. And since I'm on this end of the world kick, I think it's odd that christians all believe the world will end, even though the bible itself isn't certain about it... Deuteronomy 4:40 Thou shalt keep therefore his statutes, and his commandments, which I command thee this day, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee, and that thou mayest prolong thy days upon the earth, which the LORD thy God giveth thee, for ever. Ecclesiastes 1:4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever. Psalms 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands. 26 They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: Revelations 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; Another Edit - I'm 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reelguy227 Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 God will end the world when He wants to end the world. no one knows when or how the world will end .yu just have to live every day as it is your last ,and be ready for anything ,such as the end of the world. "SACRED DOCTRINE GENERAL: The nature and extent of sacred doctrine. THE ONE GODEXISTENCE: The existence of God. ESSENCE: We cannot know what God is, but only what He is not. So to study Him, we study what He has not -- such as composition and motion. His simplicity or lack of composition. His perfection: and because everything in so far as it is perfect is called good, we shall speak of His goodness -- and goodness in general -- as well as His perfection . His infinity and omnipresence . His immutability , and His eternity following on His immutability. His unity . How God is known by us . The names of God . OPERATIONS (INTELLECT): God's knowledge . The ideas , which exist in His knowledge. Truth in God, for knowledge is of things that are true. Falsity in God. The life of God , since to understand belongs to living beings. OPERATIONS (WILL): God's will . In our own wills we find both the passions (such as joy and love), and the habits of the moral virtues (such as justice and fortitude). Hence we shall first consider the love of God, and secondly His justice and mercy . OPERATIONS (INTELLECT AND WILL): Providence , in respect to all created things; for in the science of morals, after the moral virtues themselves, comes the consideration of prudence, to which providence belongs. Predestination and the book of life . POWER: The power of God , the principle of the divine operation as proceeding to the exterior effect. The divine beatitude ." --- 179 Faith is a supernatural gift from God. In order to believe, man needs the interior helps of the Holy Spirit. An atheist is not there yet. 159 Faith and science: "Though faith is above reason, there can never be any real discrepancy between faith and reason. Since the same God who reveals mysteries and infuses faith has bestowed the light of reason on the human mind, God cannot deny himself, nor can truth ever contradict truth." "Consequently, methodical research in all branches of knowledge, provided it is carried out in a truly scientific manner and does not override moral laws, can never conflict with the faith, because the things of the world and the things of faith derive from the same God. The humble and persevering investigator of the secrets of nature is being led, as it were, by the hand of God in spite of himself, for it is God, the conserver of all things, who made them what they are." 2nd question - God permits evil as a consquence of free will. For many of the same reasons as above this will not satisfy them, for they need faith also.. 324 The fact that God permits physical and even moral evil is a mystery that God illuminates by his Son Jesus Christ who died and rose to vanquish evil. Faith gives us the certainty that God would not permit an evil if he did not cause a good to come from that very evil, by ways that we shall fully know only in eternal life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaebginn Posted August 12, 2004 Author Share Posted August 12, 2004 and it never said that it would happne during their lifetime. Paul saw some believers had quit their jobs and were sitting on a hill waiting for the Lord to come and he said get up, cause they dont know when it will happen. and God will create a new earth after judgement day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jed Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Just an FYI everyone - let's make sure if you're the last who posted in a thread, and you want to say something else after you post, use the EDIT button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 Originally posted by yaebginn and it never said that it would happne during their lifetime. Paul saw some believers had quit their jobs and were sitting on a hill waiting for the Lord to come and he said get up, cause they dont know when it will happen. and God will create a new earth after judgement day. Did you guys not read the verses that I posted? I even posted the TEXT from the verses. It said EXPLICITLY that Jesus told them, not once, but at least twice that his return would happen DURING THEIR LIFETIMES. And the bible also said "the earth abideth forever" Incase you didn't know, Abide - v. intr. To remain in a place. To continue to be sure or firm; endure. That verse says the earth will last forever. And I dont know why you felt it was important to post that sacred doctrine reelguy, what exactly is it's purpose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 your statemen that one chooses their sexuality is crap. I never chose to be bi-sexual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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