KOTOR2 files Says sorry!

[TheGreatXL]

Eh, after reading over the posts above, I too think it is a bad idea to host my mods there. If it wouldn't be too much trouble, could they be removed?

 

Until that whole CD feature is removed from the site, I really don't want anything to do with it. (Much less having the potential for legal matters to be brought up.)

[Drazin]

I'm going to have to agree with my buds here as well jamie.

Until the cd feature is gone, I'm going to hold off on putting any of my mods on your site.

In IRC you guys said that shouldnt be a problem.

[Mav]

I'm a little dissappointed at the fact this mod of mine still hasn't been removed as per my request in the comments section, could you please act on that accordingly. Also until this CD issue is resolved I will not be having any of my mods mirrored on your site.

[JamieFN]

Ok, if you guys could tell me which files you would like removed that will be great! I'll be removing the ones you've requested today. Also you will find that no one makes a profit from this cd option else we wouldn't do it. It's simple a service for 56k users, I think if we did make a profit, us any many other people would have been sued quite sometime ago. We've been up since 1996 I think. Again, I'll get the owner to come here and explain the CD system to you all and then I think you'll work out it's just a feature for those 56kusers, I don't think many people use it anyway. It's mainly people from poor countries. If you guys don't want it, we'll remove, probably. I'd have to speak to the owner again.

[TheGreatXL]

I'm not really worried if you guys make money or not, I'm just worried about how legal it all is. I honestly don't want our little modding community here to get into legal trouble and have to cease modding or something crazy like that.

 

The mods I want removed are:

 

Atris' New Black Hair

Disciple's "Cooler" Transitions

G0-T0's Gold Rim With A Blue Eye

Handmaiden's Light to Dark Pink Hair Reskin

Hanharr's Slightly More Evil Reskin

HK-47's Gold Crusted Reskin

Kreia Reskin (Darth Traya Look) - Corrected Version

Kreia's "I'm A Medic Now" Reskin

T3-M4's "Pink Eye" Reskin

Mira's Violet-to-Black Vampire Reskin

Visas Reskin - Desaturated Sith Lord

Uber-Lightside Reskin Pack

 

(On a side not, I want to apologize to the Holowan community as well. I wasn't aware, until just now, how many freakin' reskins I made. I guess listing them put a whole new light on things. )

[JamieFN]

Ok, well the CD feature is now being removed and someone from Filefront will be coming here shortly to explain the feature to you all. It appears to be a big consern for you so I think we should explain it to you. With the CD feature being removed, would you still wish me to remove all your files?

[TheGreatXL]

If the CD feature is permanently removed, I would see no reason to remove our files.

 

For my case though, I do want them removed. I don't really won't duplicates of those mods on that site. I'd rather give that site new mods, and not just copies of my old ones.

[JamieFN]

Ok, I'll remove the list you gave then I'll look forward to any files you do send in, in the future

[Aurelius]

who is charging people for mods?

the only people who are dumber than the people who are charging for the mods is the people who would pay them for it.

anyone who is found selling kotor mods should be banned from this forum forever.

we are modding to enhance the game and make it funner, not make a profit.

anyone who does so is slime.

[The Source]

Originally posted by mrock

who is charging people for mods?

the only people who are dumber than the people who are charging for the mods is the people who would pay them for it.

anyone who is found selling kotor mods should be banned from this forum forever.

"we are modding to enhance the game and make it funner, not make a profit."

anyone who does so is slime. [/b]

 

"we are modding to enhance the game and make it funner, not make a profit."

 

Man! I could not have said it any better!

[The Source]

Lets give PCGAMEMODS.com and LUCASFORUMS.com a big THANK YOU, for all their support and agonizing over maintaining their sites. When things like this arrive, we have to appreciate the things we have. We have two sites of hardworking modders, admins, and sorce writters who bring us a place to upload our mods, voice our oppinions, and just have plan old fun!

 

THANK YOU PCGAMEMODS.COM AND LUCASFORUMS.COM!

[Darkkender]

I don't know if I should feel insulted or releived that none of my mods made it to this kotorfiles or kotor2files.

 

while the question of the legality of the CD could be circumspect as many companies have freesoftware available for download however if you want a hardcopy you have to pay for the disc itself and shipping and the software on the disk is considered free. However that is software that is the proprietary software of that company that has made the decision to make there property available via that medium.

 

Now that I have thought further on the opening paragraph I am most definetley both Insulted and Relieved my mods aren't at your sites. Even should your site resolve the CD issue I won't ever post there.

[General Kenobi]

I understand where your comin' from there big "D".

 

They had my "General Kenobi's Armored Clone Wars" robes as a featured download. (of which I had never even heard of that site for KOTOR & TSL downloads)

 

One of our fine moderators here (I won't say which one he knows who he is ) let me know it was there and I took care of the rest. In my case they sorta picked the wrong file to steal . My mods site is "technically" under working copyright since it's attached to my main site as its parent site HENCE---All those screenshots I put up fall under that copyright.

 

Needless to say I've never seen a major sites page change that quickly A little intimidation goes a long way.

 

AS FOR THE CD's (here's the thang)

 

Yes they are "free" to download BUT when you "sell" them for conv. on CD in that form it's DEFINATELY ILLEGAL. It's because the "files" that we originally started from were "IN-GAME" and not original.

 

Now I'm not sure if the "original" models that our fine guys and gals come up with here are deemed as such, but most likely they are as well.

 

When the whole profit thang comes into play that changes things big time. They do have tons of sites up for different games over at that site that's been taking our stuff and uploading it. I myself used them for many other games (without an account).

 

It's sorta like Star Wars Revelations. They made a film on par with Skywalker Ranch and Industrial Light and Magic BUT no one got paid, no profit was made, even the download sites for the movie are free for them to use (NO MONEY)

 

Now you start uploading stolen files and burning them off to cd to sell them and your just asking for ole' Georgie Lucas to pull out his own legal saber and lop their heads right off

 

Theives Theives Theives not good!

[Mono_Giganto]

Originally posted by Darth Melignous

Now I'm not sure if the "original" models that our fine guys and gals come up with here are deemed as such, but most likely they are as well.

 

Well I can't really answer on a legal standpoint, but as far as I can tell, those models belong to their makers. It's still illegal, because you're selling someone else's work, just no altered game files. Not to mentoin most models come with altered uti's anyway. Not that I have to worry though, my models weren't hosted.

[General Kenobi]

Here's a kicker Mono; I would have gladly let them use ALL of mine if they had only asked first.

 

I guess just like us, as long as you ask kinda thang.

 

For me I just got REALLY PISSED!! I mean come on I saw links for some type of forums on that site??? Meaning what we are doin' right now posting and the like they prob. have as well.

 

I just thought "you know, I learned how from my buddies here" not there. I want our little modding community to get em' not the other ones. I think they can do their own rather than stealing ours.

 

As for your mods not being hosted?? They just haven't found em' prob. yet

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I'll separate this out since I want to make it VERY clear (since the person that started the thread is the same one I had to contact to remove my file I believe)

 

You'd be advised to NEVER take another file from my website and sell it. When you do this and if you were to put it on a CD and sell it, you then make me part of and possibly partially liable for their sale since my stuff would make up a portion of it's content. I will confirm this with my copyright attorney to make sure.

 

I will warn you further to the extent that there are several employees of LucasArts parent companies that are active members to this site. Many are graphics media designers which are in contact with the parent company itself. It would not be that difficult for them to point out your actions, then you could guess the rest.

[The Source]

JamieFN - Yeah, could you remove the following from your site, for they were created by me:

 

04-27 '05 KTR 2 Telos Bilboard Set II: Modder Set II 0 _ 591.85 KB _ _ Miscellaneous

 

04-27 '05 KTR 2 Telos Billboards Set I: Modder Set I 0 _ 634.42 KB _ _ Miscellaneous

 

These are exclusive to: Lucasforums.com, Pcgamemods.com, and to anyone who gets my permission.

[TheGreatXL]

Originally posted by Darth Melignous

I just thought "you know, I learned how from my buddies here" not there. I want our little modding community to get em' not the other ones. I think they can do their own rather than stealing ours.

 

Yeah, I think we all kind of feel that way. I've learned alot of modding tips from all of you here at this board. I am grateful for the help, and would be more than willing to share any mods I come up with for YOU guys.

 

I'm not condeming their mod hosting site. I actually think it is kind of nice to see people want to spread the modding glory. I just don't think you should be spreading it with other people's mods. This modding community was built on the fact that people worked to make mods and shared their creations. It wasn't built by people who go to other sites and take other's mods to "share" them.

 

Jamie, maybe you could get people over at that site to come together and make a little modding community of their own. (Or that's just what I think! )

[Shadow Blaze]

Jamie, maybe you could get people over at that site to come together and make a little modding community of their own. (Or that's just what I think! )

 

I don't think that would be such a bad idea either XL.

 

I feel the same way as you DK I don't know whether to be insulted or Relieved due to the same reasons but I haven't released too many yet anyways. All in all though I completely agree with the points DK, Darth Melignous, and as I stated before Darth333 and Mono. And until there is full confirmation that the cd feature is removed my mods will not be hosted there.

[Jeff]

When i do finally start releasing some mods (check out my WIP!) I'm not sure whether I will let FN share my mods or not. I definately do not mind sharing my mods, I want everyone to be able to enjoy them, but the part I do not like is the selling the mods on cds for 56k people part. Since, 1 it is illegal to sell that kinda stuff and 2 i did all the work but get no profit from them selling them, I am unsure what my decision will be.

[TheGreatXL]

If they remove the CD feature, my opinion on uploading your mods there will be "To each his/her own."

 

Until then, I would recommend not uploading your mods at that site. Not only are you putting yourself at some sort of legal risk, but you might even be putting modding as a whole at a risk.

[TLM]

Somehow I doubt it. Filesnetwork have been around for years and cover many different games. AFAIK there has never been any problem with the CDs, nor with any of the other sites that provide a similar function.

[Darkkender]

Originally posted by TLM

Somehow I doubt it. Filesnetwork have been around for years and cover many different games. AFAIK there has never been any problem with the CDs, nor with any of the other sites that provide a similar function.

 

For a site that has been around for a while they should know better than to pirate other peoples work without permission and then redistribute said work as there own. Furthermore even if they may have been doing it for years doesn't make the legality of the CD's any less circumspect. The biggest issue is that it makes the original mod creator legally liable for a mod should LA ever take it into there mind they want to shut us down. If that happens every copy of a CD that has a redistributed mod could be lost revenues that LA can sue a modder directly for.

 

I know I can't even afford to pay my debts as it is now due to a poor job market where I live & I work two jobs just to tread water financially. I could never afford a legal boute with LA.

[TLM]

I'm not saying that there isn't any legal risks, I just think that "It could be the end of modding" is a bit melodramatic. Also, AFAIK each FN is run by different people, so please don't let one guy taking files without permission reflect badly on FN as a whole. I know I sound a bit like a fanboy here, but FN have really provided a great service to the mod communities of many games.

[Darth333]

The thing is that even if they never had any problems with this, it is illegal and LucasForums cannot condone this practice. (We have forum rules concerning this btw.)

 

Edit: The kotor section of FN had a very bad start: they took a bunch of mods from PCGM to upload them on their website in order to draw traffic there. They also copied a news I had posted at SWK.com word for word and simply changed the author name without citing the source.

 

However, they presented excuses which are welcomed and they promised to remove the mods they uploaded without permission (I hope they will do so) as well as take care of the CD thing.

[General Kenobi]

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They also copied a news I had posted at SWK.com word for word and simply changed the author name without citing the source.

DARTH333

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Say what? Now that takes nerve

 

"No it's War And Peace by Darth Melignous really ...lol"

 

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However, they presented excuses which are welcomed and they promised to remove the mods they uploaded without permission (I hope they will do so) as well as take care of the CD thing.

DARTH333

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I read this entire thread and they start off apologizing then steal some more - more mad people posts - they say their sorry - they just stole mine - sent me an email "we're so sorry"

 

Hemmm....."Actions speak much louder than words FileFront".....hemmm you guys are sure turnin' out to be "a front" a front for stealing over and over sounds like to me

 

I say us "Darth's" out here on our forums take out our cherry red sabers and lop their heads right off