Bob Lion54 Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 Originally posted by Darth Melignous ........ I say us "Darth's" out here on our forums take out our cherry red sabers and lop their heads right off I'll sick my new avatar on them if you like. Seriously, from someone who has never uploaded a mod but has downloaded many, I feel I must comment. Reading over this post, I see many modders I greatly respect have been offended. As one who has enjoyed your exellent work from K1 to K2 and hopefully into K3, I would feel like I betrayed you guys and gals to download from them. If at some point in the future, Holowan says they are cool, then maybe I will consider it. That will probably not be anytime soon, though. I know I say it a lot, but thanks again for the great mods and acting with class. Edit:Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Source Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 Originally posted by JamieFN Hello Folks! Well I've made a big mistake and I'd like to say sorry! I thought that adding files from PCGamemods to KOTOR2files would be me saying thank you to the community because i'd be allowing more people to enjoy the files you make by having them for download at our site. The network has 1mill users register and that's why we have alot of people visiting our websites. I was very wrong with adding those files and i've learn't my lesson the hard way. If you really do still hate our guts and want your files removed just tell me which file it is and I'll remove it asap! I hope that you can forgive us and start to support the site by sending in your files and useing it as another download/mirror resource. Thanks again for listening and I really am sorry for any problems or stress this has caused. You can visit the site here . -Jamie Head Network Admin Filesnetwork Too bad they still haven't removed my files from their site! So whose ass do I need to send Lion54's Avatar after? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatXL Posted May 3, 2005 Share Posted May 3, 2005 Forget sending the avatar. Send Bastilla. She'll bore them to death with a speech about the lightside until they remove the mods. Edit: I have a question. Why doesn't Jamie just remove all of the files he uploaded from pcgamemods? Some people probably still aren't aware that their mods are being hosted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 I'd send him an email directly if you want stuff taken down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakonnen Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 Here is a thought: REMOVE ALL THE MODS YOU STOLE. You didn't get any of the authors' permission, and you're making a profit off of them. You can't continue to do so unless they tell you otherwise or ask you to remove them, as not all of them check this forum or have notice whatsoever of your site or the situation. I repeat, unless any of the Mods were uploaded by the authors themselves (which is extremely doubtful) your file section better be empty soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colma Adawin Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 Originally posted by Drakonnen Here is a thought: REMOVE ALL THE MODS YOU STOLE. You didn't get any of the authors' permission, and you're making a profit off of them. You can't continue to do so unless they tell you otherwise or ask you to remove them, as not all of them check this forum or have notice whatsoever of your site or the situation. I repeat, unless any of the Mods were uploaded by the authors themselves (which is extremely doubtful) your file section better be empty soon. i was thinking the EXCATLY same thing! its theft in two degrees 1) stealing others mods - thats how i see it! and no doubt the rest of Holowan and the modders around the globe!!!!! 2) Making a PROFIT, on OTHER PPLS WORK! thats AGAIN THEFT! you have NO RIGHT! NO-ONE DOES!! What made you lot STEAL other ppls work from pcgamemods? Why the HELL should you get the profit for hosting someone elses hard work?!?!? thats LOW! i bet you lot dont even know how to mod! so you dont actually know how bad it feels to know your work has been stolen!!?!?! if you do mod, maybe i'll take your mod, name it as me who modded it and i'll get the complements, THEN YOU MIGHT KNOW HOW IT FEELS!!!! I'm not going to say anymore because you've managed to annoy ALOT of modders. AND NO i wont accept your apoligy, yes i appreiate you coming forward, but i'm not going to forgive you or your 'admin'. MattCole EDIT >>> I've just been to your site, just to do a bit more research and saw this: http://img166.echo.cx/my.php?image=payment6fx.jpg read the first paragraph, how can they NOT get profit, they wouldn't be doing it if it wasnt profitable?!?! {snip} I understand you are angry Matt but refrain a bit the language. D3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkkender Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 For those who are angry about this FileNetwork has made it very clear in the continued locking of discussion of this topic at the forums they are partnered with, that they feel validated in there actions. FN admins have expressed the view that there is nothing illegal about there actions. This is expressed by the fact that information and files hosted on the web lacking in copyrights are open for redistribution without permission asked or given. What could have been our only legal backing was PCgamemods former file submission policy that has now changed due to public outcry. Previously PCgamemods had the policy that files hosted there became there property. Now that they don't have that policy FN can easily download our mods and redistributed without permission as they wish. I'm bending our forum rules here by posting a link to the thread I started with FileNetworks Affiliate Gaming Forums which host there forums. In this thread various FN admins express there stance on the subject at hand. They also express the method they want us to use to have our files removed. Closed GF/FN Thread started by myself this morning. I apologize moderators for the above thread but these are answers I feel we all need to be able to be aware of. @Darth333--Do any of the points they list in that thread have any legal merit? I ask you because you are our local legal expert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakonnen Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 Originally posted by JamieFN If you really do still hate our guts and want your files removed just tell me which file it is and I'll remove it asap! -Jamie Head Network Admin Filesnetwork On behalf of the collective modders of this community, we ask that the following files be removed from your site, as per your offer: ______________________________________ 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Pink Lightsaber Mod 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Bo Dur as Sith Soldier 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Party Xpanded (0.3) 04-27 '05 KTR 2 HK Black 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Mira Blonde 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Darth Nihilus new skin 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Darth Nihilus 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Slender body for female (v1.1) 04-27 '05 KTR 2 jedigoku'spadawan 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Ballistic Mesh Jacket for PC-Dark Side 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Sith Lord Items 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Party Reskin 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Darth Sion's Robe 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Chiss Luxa 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Launcher Screen and Buttons 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Palpatine's Lightsaber (Episode 3) 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Visas Marr's Robe 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Handmaiden choice for females (fixed) 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Mace Windu's equipment 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Skip Peragus 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Telos Bilboard Set II: Modder Set II 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Telos Billboards SetI: Modder Set I 04-27 '05 KTR 2 jedigoku'spadawanDS 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Mandalore without his helmet 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Extra Jedi 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Ranis Hull's Items 04-27 '05 KTR 2 SS-Prestige-Padawans 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Sith Robe/Armor Mod V2 ___________________________________________ Failure to comply will result in the dime being dropped on your profiting operation to LucasArts so their legal pitbulls can shut you guys down permanently. Have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colma Adawin Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 Originally posted by Drakonnen On behalf of the collective modders of this community, we ask that the following files be removed from your site, as per your offer: ______________________________________ 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Pink Lightsaber Mod 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Bo Dur as Sith Soldier 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Party Xpanded (0.3) 04-27 '05 KTR 2 HK Black 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Mira Blonde 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Darth Nihilus new skin 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Darth Nihilus 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Slender body for female (v1.1) 04-27 '05 KTR 2 jedigoku'spadawan 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Ballistic Mesh Jacket for PC-Dark Side 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Sith Lord Items 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Party Reskin 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Darth Sion's Robe 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Chiss Luxa 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Launcher Screen and Buttons 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Palpatine's Lightsaber (Episode 3) 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Visas Marr's Robe 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Handmaiden choice for females (fixed) 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Mace Windu's equipment 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Skip Peragus 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Telos Bilboard Set II: Modder Set II 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Telos Billboards SetI: Modder Set I 04-27 '05 KTR 2 jedigoku'spadawanDS 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Mandalore without his helmet 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Extra Jedi 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Ranis Hull's Items 04-27 '05 KTR 2 SS-Prestige-Padawans 04-27 '05 KTR 2 Sith Robe/Armor Mod V2 ___________________________________________ Failure to comply will result in the dime being dropped on your profiting operation to LucasArts so their legal pitbulls can shut you guys down permanently. Have a nice day. Very nicely done my friend. MattCole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono_Giganto Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 Originally posted by an FN Admin Guy Unless your readme states "Do NOT re-host my file" then how do we know you object to this? And since FN believes it's okay to rehost a file unless the author specifically requests for it to not be rehosted, I'll be going to Pcgamemods to make my specification now. The way I see it, if we don't specify, you shouldn't touch our files. We might as well say that you have 24-hour access to my refrigerator unless I specifically say you can't. I'd have a line going out my front door if the world worked that way. Someone give Drakonnen a chocolate-chip cookie. Now I feel like I even have to specify the type of cookie, or someone might get the wrong idea and give him something with oatmeal and raisins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatXL Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 *Gives the chocolate chip cookie* Actually, this subject is weird for me. The more I think about it, the more upset I get about the whole situation. Anyways, Jamie, please comply with the removing of everyone's mods so we can let this post float into nothingness. Edit: Ack, don't edit your post. That means I had to specify as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk102 Posted May 4, 2005 Share Posted May 4, 2005 Mono said And since FN believes it's okay to rehost a file unless the author specifically requests for it to not be rehosted, I'll be going to Pcgamemods to make my specification now. I'd suggest putting some sort of copyright notice in the readme.txt along with specific instructions on what you expect from someone who wants to host your mod. Not everybody on the internet shares the same sense of decorum as we have in Holowan Labs. KSE for instance can be found all over the Internet. Do I care? Not really. It makes it more accessible to have it many places. Just as long as the people that count (*you all*) know where you can get the latest version. That's all that matters to me. Just keep things in perspective -- you uploaded something to a third party site for all the world to see (PCGM). You made it free for everyone to download, and in all likelihood, you didn't mention anything about whether or not someone else could host your file. The best that you can argue is that this was bad manners. They apologized for it. I suggest emailing Jamie directly rather than expect him/her to read this thread and take action. Email address can be found under Staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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