Jaden25 Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 I am wondering if there was any new shots done of Darth Vader in the carbonite scene in Empire Strikes Back speacil edition because.I thought that I saw one while watching it let me know if you guys noticed it thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 The only "new" shots were those of Vader walking to his shuttle which were added in the 1997 SE. I am not sure if that was totally new footage or just digitally inserted shots from previous footage of the character walking around in the suit (ie: the far away shot could have been any extra or even a digital model though it looked pretty realistic, compared to the other crappy digital human figures done in the 1997 editions). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 The only "new" shots were those of Vader walking to his shuttle which were added in the 1997 SE. I am not sure if that was totally new footage or just digitally inserted shots from previous footage of the character walking around in the suit (ie: the far away shot could have been any extra or even a digital model though it looked pretty realistic, compared to the other crappy digital human figures done in the 1997 editions). that was all new and live action It was just someone in the vader suite and JEJ didnt even do the voice for that little bit of dialogue that was added (Im sure you noticed) mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 that was all new and live action It was just someone in the vader suite and JEJ didnt even do the voice for that little bit of dialogue that was added (Im sure you noticed) mtfbwya Thanks for the info but you're somewhat incorrect. I checked up and the scene of him walking towards an Imperial Officer is an unused shot from ROTJ (from a different angle, notice that's Moff Jererod and he's on the Death Star 2!). I meant the shots of him walking on the catwalk, etc. I wouldn't be surprised though if it wasn't Prowse in the suit in those cases. As to the line "Inform my Star Destroyer to prepare for my arrival" that IS James Earl Jones speaking that line. This was an unused line from Star Wars (1977). He speaks it slightly differently because Vader delivers his lines somewhat differently in ANH than he does in ESB & ROTJ. I don't think JEJ re-recorded all his dialouge to "match" they just cleaned up the audio a bit (notice how the Vader voice in ANH has a bit more of a "hollow" or canned sound to it than the later versions). Originally he just said "Bring my Shuttle" as he walked out and that was it. Fans of the original line say Vader sounds (rightly) pissed, and it's a nice touch to his evolving character. The new line is obviously used out of context and it shows a bit since Vader just sounds really business like. This is just another thing he's doing, not something "personal" as ESB would lead us to believe. Subtle, but it's there. The scene was fine before I thought and many felt it was unnecessary filler (why do they have to show us every single detail, can't we figure it out on our own?). Sort of like the Wampa added scenes. Anyway, Lucas's defense is that he wanted to add even more suspense by painstakingly drawing it out a bit more like this and reminding us constantly of the threat to our heroes. I don't hate the new change, it just didn't seem really necessary. But yeah, that's JEJ talking and at least one of those shots was filmed during the OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katarn07 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 Question: Is James Earl Jones doing the lines when talking to Ian McDiarmid holo in ESB DVD (which while I'm not thrilled about the dialogue change, I did love McDiarmid being in it) and is it James Earl Jones doing the lines of Vader in RotS? I know that's a bit off topic, but pertains to the general topic of new Vader scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soogz Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 They do, add Temeura Morrisons voice to Boba Fett tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katarn07 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 They do, add Temeura Morrisons voice to Boba Fett tho. Yeah, that sucked the big one. I hate that too and all my friends make fun of me for fussing over it since he only has five lines or so. But they don't like SW like I do and they don't realize he's Boba fricken' Fett! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 What's wrong with Boba imitating Jango's voice? He wanted to be just like his "father," going as far as adopting his accent by listening to recordings of Jango. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katarn07 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 Not sure how strict modding is in this section, but I'll answer to that anyways just to clear it up via PM. Can someone answer my question if they know it? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 What's wrong with Boba imitating Jango's voice? He wanted to be just like his "father," going as far as adopting his accent by listening to recordings of Jango. There's nothing really wrong with this from a character's point of view. It's just an obvious example of George Lucas's revisionism. He's changing the story in order to shoehorn the OT into the prequels mold. It should be the other way around. I feel it's an injustice to the originals when this sort of thing gets done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katarn07 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 I guess the mods aren't buttheads here Haven't been here in a loooong time and remember them being jerks to me somewhere or other. Meh, I probably deserved it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 There's nothing really wrong with this from a character's point of view. It's just an obvious example of George Lucas's revisionism. He's changing the story in order to shoehorn the OT into the prequels mold. It should be the other way around. I feel it's an injustice to the originals when this sort of thing gets done. But COME ON! Boba's original voice was like "ooooh I'm scary fear me!!1" yet his character was not really any more scary than a Stormtrooper. Now he has a human side, which IMO makes for a better character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katarn07 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 I explained it to you already. The cool part about Boba Fett is his mystique. He's shrouded in mystery. The silent man with no name type from westerns. Heck, in ESB, it sounds as if he's wearing spurs! He's supposed to be a cold, emotionless killer. The prequels took away from that and then George ruined things even more by changing his voice. Don't fix it if it's not broken. In the majority's eyes, that was not broken. Of course, I do see where you're coming from. I'm sure plenty of people didn't care for Ian McDiarmid replacing the old holo and what not while I did enjoy that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 Then I guess the Weequay skiff guard who pushes Luke around must be so cool too... I mean, we don't know where he's from, he doesn't talk, and we don't even know his name! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 But COME ON! Boba's original voice was like "ooooh I'm scary fear me!!1" yet his character was not really any more scary than a Stormtrooper. Now he has a human side, which IMO makes for a better character. Actually he was scarier than a Stormtrooper, mostly because he is cool around Vader. He's a guy who works for money, he's not just a mindless Drone in the Imperial machine. He takes the initiative, and although Vader checks him, he doesn't crack down on him like one of his Imperial Officers. So Fett has the respect. His voice contributes to his image, by making him scary, and perhaps implying some nasty injury that requires the armor. It conjures up images of a battle scarred warrior (like Vader), not just some guy in a suit. Check him taking shots at Luke in ESB and ROTJ. He's a badass, even if he doesn't kill anyone and gets offed on a stroke of luck (or was it the Will of the Force? you decide... and silence you EU fanboys who say he didn't die, hehe). And don't forget that he has gadgets! Rocket pack, grappling hook, wrist blaster, sawed off looking blaster rifle. His armor is unique, he's cool, even if his image is then overhyped by fanboys. He's definately an overrated character but you can't deny that he was given a mystique in ESB and to a lesser extent ROTJ. Now he's just a clone of Jango with the same kiwi accent. Another problem is that Temura Morrison's deliver of Boba's lines is crap compared to the original delivery. It sounds like he did it cold on one take. He doesn't sound as sure of himself. This isn't a guy who is confident and stands up to Vader to make sure he gets his money. He's scared of Vader just like everybody else and keeps his voice down. Notice how Jango acts cool to Obi-Wan in AOTC. I know this actor is capable of better, but his performance as Boba's new voice just blows, sorry. I will say the same about Ian McDiarmind's lines as Palpatine in the reshoot of that scene in ESB. It just seems more poorly acted than the original version. Clive Rivel and the old woman gave Palpy much more character than the nearly catatonic Palpatine we see now. This was the subtle, mysterious Palpatine before he became a cackling madman of course, but still. Now he acts like he took his sleeping pills for the night and then realized he forgot to call Vader on the bat-phone at the last minute. So the actor's delivery sucks, making the new "re-shoots/dubs" inferior to the originals. Take 1... cut, print, that's a wrap! *Lucas calls it a day* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 Ah but Fett was in two movies, and yes, his name is only mumbled in ROTJ right before he meets his fate (shut up EU fanboys, he died, okay? accept it!). Fett fanboyism is overblown, but Fett himself is a far more important character than any of Jabba's henchmen (other than Bib Fortuna). I'm sure the Weequay guy was given a name and backstory in the EU, heh, everybody else did that appeared on screen for a second or two and got an action figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 Actually the Weequay guards were never given names. They're slaves, property of Jabba, and he never gave them names. Okay, so Boba has all the fancy gear with the suit. But in the movies, he doesn't seem to use it well. He decides to try to attack a lightsaber-wielding Jedi from a foot away (brilliant move), only to have his rifle cut apart. After being knocked to his feet, he gets up and fires at Luke with his wrist blaster who has now jumped to the escort skiff. But he has horrible aim, missing Luke by a long shot. Then he is whacked by a blind man with a poll and pathetically falls into the Sarlacc. Can't compare with being decapitated by the second-most-badass Jedi Master in the galaxy, eh? He's not that impressive in the movies. His aim isn't any better than that of the lowly Stormtroopers who blast R2-D2 and Leia at the Endor bunker. I never thought Boba looked very cool... his armor just doesn't look that awesome. Oh well, I guess that's the difference here... you think someone who is eaten by the Sarlacc is badass... I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 Actually the Weequay guards were never given names. They're slaves, property of Jabba, and he never gave them names. Okay, so Boba has all the fancy gear with the suit. But in the movies, he doesn't seem to use it well. He decides to try to attack a lightsaber-wielding Jedi from a foot away (brilliant move), only to have his rifle cut apart. After being knocked to his feet, he gets up and fires at Luke with his wrist blaster who has now jumped to the escort skiff. But he has horrible aim, missing Luke by a long shot. Then he is whacked by a blind man with a poll and pathetically falls into the Sarlacc. Can't compare with being decapitated by the second-most-badass Jedi Master in the galaxy, eh? He's not that impressive in the movies. His aim isn't any better than that of the lowly Stormtroopers who blast R2-D2 and Leia at the Endor bunker. I never thought Boba looked very cool... his armor just doesn't look that awesome. Oh well, I guess that's the difference here... you think someone who is eaten by the Sarlacc is badass... I don't. Simply put Fett is a tough guy who met his match. He's a minor personage, whoes character shields can't match those of main characters Han or Luke. Jango Fett at least killed somebody, showed off more gadgets and got killed by another minor character. Boba Fett certainly didn't live up to the demonstrated skills of his father, I agree with you there. And I agree that "Fett wanking" is overblown, due in large part to the EU writers (which was fueled by fanboy demands). However Fett is portrayed as a badass in the movies. Not invincible, and not the best combat fighter in the world. A character can have a reputation as a badass without being a master of combat. Yoda and Palpatine for example are deemed to be incredible masters of the Force you wouldn't want to mess with, yet in the OT neither one of them kills anyone (unless you count Vader dying, even though it technically was the removal of his breath mask that did him in). Fett captures Han Solo (a badass in his own right and a main character) though he had lots of help doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 @Kurgan.....interesting to read about the ESB SE Vader stuff...alot of trouble and expense to go to for what really is neither here nor there IMO.... I like Temeura/Jango, but Temuera doing Fetts voice seems really out of place Just because Fett is a clone of his father doesnt mean he inherits his accent, that is dependant on where he lived. So it is perfectly plausible to have Boba with a different accent than his dad, I do !!! mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 The gruff raspy voice he has gave Boba character. Now he's just Jango in used armor. We could speculate that he got into a lot of fights, maybe got injured in battle, etc. but no, Lucas once again takes the fun out of it by forcing this "reminder of the Prequels" down our collective throats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boinga1 Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 Yeah, the old Boba voice was awesome. Really intimidating, really "I'm the toughest guy in the universe except for Vader" sounding. No he just sounds like a clone trooper grunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 Didn't all the stormtrooper's voices get re-recorded by Temeura as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Gaarni Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 No, only Boba. Which was pretty dumb, cause Boba used to have a cool voice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 No, only Boba. Which was pretty dumb, cause Boba used to have a cool voice. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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