Darth Tyrant Posted August 18, 2005 Share Posted August 18, 2005 Probably someone already ask this, but Is the super star destroyer going to be included in empire at war?, also, are they going to include other types of tie fighters like the tie defender or the tie phantom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrawn Posted August 18, 2005 Share Posted August 18, 2005 I haven't heard, nor have I seen any screenshots of those things. However, LA is keeping a lot of the game under wraps, so I wouldn't be surprised to see the entire line up of Imperial Fighters. A SSD might be a little too hard, but hey, I'm sure they'll be an expansion pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tyrant Posted August 19, 2005 Author Share Posted August 19, 2005 Oh come on now. The SSD to hard, but they gave us the Death star?, Also dont forget that they gave the rebels the Bulkwalk Battlecruiser, which is a new republic capital ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starmark2k Posted August 19, 2005 Share Posted August 19, 2005 I'm taking the opposite opinion from thraw. I think the will have the SSD but not the huge range of ties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 How can they not have the mighty Super Star Destroyer? It would be ridiculous to include unknown ships while leaving out one who's well known by every fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroZticles Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Who cares..... I don't see how there could be balance in a game when one side has uber Super Star Destroyers and a Death Star. Death Star is a game ender and thats if its available in online and skirmishes. Why do you need a SSD when you got the Death Star anyways..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonepadawan Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Well I'd rather have a super star destroyer than an infinite number of rubbishy EU TIE variations... lets face it.. the DS is more of a campaign map/super weapon thingy than a powerful weapon useable in an ordinary battle.. they have different functions... DS blows up planets (we have yet to see it blow up capital ships) SSD blows up other ships... I'd imagine it'd be hugely expensive etc too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroZticles Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Remember we are not playing the original saga we are playing between the prequals and the originals so the SSD doesn't have to be in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Andrew Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 True, but then why are A-wings in the game? I think the A-wing came to the Rebels after the Battle of Yavin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Gaarni Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 I thought this game starts 2 years before ANH? Or have they changed the timeline for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tyrant Posted August 20, 2005 Author Share Posted August 20, 2005 Remember we are not playing the original saga we are playing between the prequals and the originals so the SSD doesn't have to be in it. Then why they create the bulkwalk battle cruiser for the rebels. That capital ship was created when the new republic was form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tyrant Posted August 20, 2005 Author Share Posted August 20, 2005 Who cares..... I don't see how there could be balance in a game when one side has uber Super Star Destroyers and a Death Star. Death Star is a game ender and thats if its available in online and skirmishes. Why do you need a SSD when you got the Death Star anyways..... The Bulkwalk battle cruiser is the competition for the SSD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tyrant Posted August 20, 2005 Author Share Posted August 20, 2005 Lets face it people, with out the SSD is not going to be the same, that's Vaders capital ship and the simbol of the empire. If they can create the bulkwalk battle cruiser which its out of time line, they can create the SSD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Lets face it people, with out the SSD is not going to be the same, that's Vaders capital ship and the simbol of the empire. I fully agree. The SSD is an integral part of the Empire. It wouldn't be the same without it. And who's saying we can spam them? I'd expect the Super Star Destroyers to be really expensive. Also, I read somewhere that SSDs weren't very effective at anything, being too large and too slow. A single Star Destroyer can accomplish more then an SSD. It's more like a prestige weapon made to put fear into the hearts of the Rebels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonepadawan Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Yes. It may be able to dish out a lot of firepower.. but should be easy to outrun and take down if it has no support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroZticles Posted August 20, 2005 Share Posted August 20, 2005 Then why you need a SSD in a campaign to wipe out the Rebel supply lines? Seems like the Rebels have a few bases around the galaxy and the Empire are wiping them out before New Hope starts. Maybe thats why they don't use it because a SD can do more then the SSD.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 Then why you need a SSD in a campaign to wipe out the Rebel supply lines? Seems like the Rebels have a few bases around the galaxy and the Empire are wiping them out before New Hope starts. Maybe thats why they don't use it because a SD can do more then the SSD.... Then why did the Empire make it? Why did Hitler make prestige weapons when he could've churned out more Panzer IV's instead? It was a race to make the ultimate weapon. The SSD represents both a step in that direction and a great achievement for the Empire. It sounds like you assume that there's no technology tree. No SSD will be in-game at the very beginning of the game. It's like giving the Empire a Death Star from the beginning. The SSD would probably come in late game as a prestige weapon and flagship for the Imperial Navy. Some sort of hero unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Tyrant Posted August 21, 2005 Author Share Posted August 21, 2005 Then why you need a SSD in a campaign to wipe out the Rebel supply lines? Seems like the Rebels have a few bases around the galaxy and the Empire are wiping them out before New Hope starts. Maybe thats why they don't use it because a SD can do more then the SSD.... Like I said before, the SSD is an icon and simbol of the superiority of the empire. It has great firepower, but without any support it will be easy to destroy. The SSD is vader flag ship, it's what represent the opresion of the empire. To be more accurate it's the command ship of the entire imperial fleet, without the SSD the imperial fleet looks like lost. Remember in empire strikes back, when the imperial fleet was forming and then you see this huge command ship leading them, thats what the SSD means, power. I will not feel right using the empire if I cant have a command ship leading my fleet, it's not like you are going to create big huge numbers of the SSD, but atleast create one that leads the entire fleet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroZticles Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 Also, I read somewhere that SSDs weren't very effective at anything, being too large and too slow. A single Star Destroyer can accomplish more then an SSD. It's more like a prestige weapon made to put fear into the hearts of the Rebels. Why would they use something that is large and slow? They need to make swift advances onto the Rebels before they can retreat or rally a counter attack. Actually the Death Star is the true power of the Empire not the SSD. I'm sure the Imperial fleets can manage without the SSD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Gaarni Posted August 21, 2005 Share Posted August 21, 2005 Lets face it people, with out the SSD is not going to be the same, that's Vaders capital ship and the simbol of the empire. If they can create the bulkwalk battle cruiser which its out of time line, they can create the SSD. Neither is completelly out of timeline. As I said earlier, the game starts a couple of years before ANH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 Why would they use something that is large and slow? They need to make swift advances onto the Rebels before they can retreat or rally a counter attack. Actually the Death Star is the true power of the Empire not the SSD. I'm sure the Imperial fleets can manage without the SSD. So did the Japanese fleet without the Yamato or the Musashi or the german one without the Bismarck. It's a prestige weapon, one to show the power of the Empire. By the time it was made, it was probably the largest space battleship ever made. On a space battlefield, it would certainly inspire a lot of fear in the hearts of the enemy. So sure, they have a Death Star, which is also a symbol, but the Death Star doesn't have the same function as an SSD. It's like saying KingTiger had the same function as a V2 rocket. Also, by your definition of Imperial strategy, we wouldn't even use ISD. Victory-Class Star Destroyers are faster, let's use those. But wait, Strike Cruisers are faster then VSDs! Let's use those only instead! What about the AT-AT? Hey, too slow, let's use AT-STs only which are faster. But that's too slow either! Let's only use speeder bikes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonepadawan Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 Tarkin Doctrine, rule through fear of force, rather than force itself. The SSD fits that bill perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Alec Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 Its also a fact that neither the AT-AT or the Super Star Destroyer are the best battle weapons they could have made. They represent something important in the Imperial mind, its a showoff weapon that also can dish out huge damage. I'd rather have a SSD than an upgraded Star Destroyer as the most powefull thing in the force and therefoer being a capital ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroZticles Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 Luke we are not talking about Japan, Hitler or Dumbeldore's wizard army. Its set a couple years before ANH so it may not even be completed... if they did not add it I'm sure there is a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted August 22, 2005 Share Posted August 22, 2005 Luke we are not talking about Japan, Hitler or Dumbeldore's wizard army. No, we're talking about a prestige weapon that isn't as effective as its smaller more versatile counterpart. Its set a couple years before ANH so it may not even be completed... if they did not add it I'm sure there is a reason. It starts a couple of years before ANH. I'm sure you must oppose the inclusion of the AT-AT too since we don't see it until ESB. What about the A-Wing? And the Calamari Cruisers? As far as we know, the Rebels might have none of those ships in their possession until after ESB. Besides, there is no confirmation of it's inclusion or exclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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