kratos1010 Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 Okay, so I just was awarded by the Republic after KOTOR 1... Then all of a sudden, everyone is gone, and some weird guy (not Revan) is in the med bay. Only thing alive is T3. Why? (Well, at least this is how it looks to someone who hasn't played TSL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 Err...if you really want to know play TSL. The devs wrote a 40+ hour explanation. I don't think we can do it justice here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kratos1010 Posted November 15, 2005 Author Share Posted November 15, 2005 You see, I actually played TSL 1st... and I still can't see how the Ebon Hawk got damaged, when Candurous becomes Mandalore, and where is Revan, Carth, Juhani, Jolee, and Bastilla? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90SK Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 You're beyond help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kratos1010 Posted November 15, 2005 Author Share Posted November 15, 2005 What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreenGoblin Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 What? What he's saying is the game explains all of these things clearly, I mean some of these could only have been missed if you were just skipping the conversations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YertyL Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 Clearly maybe, but certainly not too plausibly (at least for a LS ending of KOTOR1). Is it not a bit strange that after Revan has seemingly saved the Republic, suddenly a bunch of Sith Lords appear who seem to have been hiding before, and the whole Republic suddenly becomes instable and collapses ? All of your achievements in KOTOR seem to be completely irrelevant in TSL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90SK Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 A lot can happen in 5 years. What happened to the Rebel's big victory in ANH? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YertyL Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 Uhm, that situation was totally different: The Old Republic is _far_ bigger than the Rebel alliance, the Sith far smaller than the empire and also in KOTOR you do not only destroy one battle station, but also the leader of the Sith, his apprentice, their greatest admiral and a big chunk of the Sith fleet (it looks like it at least) It would be like Luke destroying the Death Star, Vader, the Emperor _and_ Grand Moff Tarkin, a lot of other officers and a big part of the Imperial fleet - or like Endor, where about exactly this happens and the Rebels defeat the Empire once and for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90SK Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 The Republic is weak and crippled at the end of KotOR. They got their asses handed to them by Revan and Malak, and scraped a "victory" at the last minute. With a sizeable chunk of the jedi converted, and another chunk dead, the Republic has almost no Jedi to fall back on. Of course, this is all prior to K1 ending. Afterwards (over a span of 5 years), Sion and Nihilus begin covertly hunting down the few shattered jedi who are left (remember, Sion and Nihilus didn't really play a role in the Jedi Civil war. Nihilus had left known space, and all we know about Sion is that he made occasional visits to Korriban). So, we have a depleted Republic, lack of Jedi, Revan gone, and a galaxy to rebuild from Revan's crippling campaign. What remained of the Sith allied themselves with Sion and Nihilus. I mean, how do you explain the lack of Sith presence in KotOR? It boils down to Revan. LS: No more leader; Sith army disbands and merges over the course of 5 years (more than enough time for the remains to regroup). DS: Revan leaves, the Sith descend to chaos in the power vacuum, and what remains afterwards merge with Sion and Nihilus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth333 Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 You see, I actually played TSL 1st... and I still can't see how the Ebon Hawk got damaged, when Candurous becomes Mandalore, and where is Revan, Carth, Juhani, Jolee, and Bastilla? Did you talked to your party members? Kreia explains very clearly how the Ebon Hawk got damaged. If you get enough influence, Canderous also explains how he became Mandalore. As for where is Revan, just talk to Kreia. Don't chose the dumb DS dialogue options like "shut up or I'll kill you" or you'll miss everything. As for Carth and Bastila, you can see them in the game depending on what you answer to Atton when he speaks about Revan when you first meet with him. Juhani and Jolee are irrelevant to K2 and the devs couldn't include every K1 possibility. If you played DS, they're dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maphisto86 Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 Yeah as for the other characters if you played LS in KOTOR, 5 years later Im sure Juhani and Jolee Bindo continued being Jedi. Juhani would have definitley become a Jedi Knight and was probably killed by the Sith.... same with Jolee. They could also be in hiding possibly though I doubt that. As for Mission Vao and Zaalbar they are probably still alive somewhere in the galaxy. Either Kasshyyk or some place else. They could also have been killed but who knows. If you where DS in KOTOR well you know what happens... :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90SK Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 Yeah, I was kinda hoping to see Mission in TSL, but I guess that would have been difficult for the devs (she wasn't a major character anyway). Maybe she'll get a K3 reference... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhawke Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 I think the Dev's wanted to leave a little mystery in the game to build up anticipation for KOTOR3. I mean in a trilogy the second part always leaves you wondering and the third part ties up all the lose ends. Hence ESB and ROTJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Alex Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 ***SPOILER*** Revan leaves the known galaxy and goes of to search for something unknown to us. Carth is back in service as an Admiral and is in search of the Exile mainly so he and Bastila can find Revan. If you played out the dark side Mission, Zaalbar, Juhani, and Joole are dead ( if you play TSL you find out that it was meant for Revan to be light side as Bastila is a Light Sider and Carth is back). T3-M4 for some reason I was told yesterday that he was the main character and coudn't die neither could Canderous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Windu Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 Ok... This has probably been stated already or noone cares but I played the game for the however menieth time this weekend and I finally got a total understanding of everything. I mean I knew before but not 100% Revan good or evil doesnt matter it got the same result. The only thing that mattered is whether Juhani Mission Zallbaar and Jolee are dead. And if Bastilla is good or Evil. Oh and apparantly if your evil Carth isnt an Admiral... I guess hes still in Rakata Land. But either way the storyline basically yeilded the same result. The killing of Malak and absence of Revan produced a power vacume amoung the Sith. They all fought for control. What remained sided with either Nihlis or Scion who seeing this vaccum ensue have entered known space again and made there presence known where as during kotor it wasnt. Kreia before Malachor was a Jedi... she taught Revan and many others who all turned to the dark side. The Jedi Council blamed her for Revans defiance. You the Exile were put into just that Exile. The republic wants to find you who is apparantly the last of the Jedi and they hope you can help them find Revan I guess?? The Harbinger picks you up from the Outer Rim. When Revan left known space he said bye to everyone and took the driods. Apparantly HK was disabled, perhaps since he was reprogramed to return to his master and a liability, and T3 was commanded to take control of the ship and return to known space leaving the navicomputer locked. They were then attacked my a Sith Warship controlled by Scion. This may be because Scion wanted to know where Revan went or was looking for Jedi. The Harbinger picked up the Hawks destress signal. A HK 50 was randomly put on board the harbinger since they were being distributed throughout the galaxy. HK 50 realizing who the Exile was started sabatoging the ship. The ship found the Ebon Hawk disabled and noone was onboard but the driods. They found the Sith warship empty except for Scion who was KOd and feinting. The Sith Assassins were cloaked. Then Kreia somehow found out the Exile was on the harbinger and got onboard but it was too late. So during this chaos of Sith Assassins and Scion looking for the Exile Kreia and HK 50 or something took the Exile on board the Ebon Hawk and left. However they were fired upon. They went to Paragus and thats where the game starts. Besides for Revan leaving, the Sith revolting and jioning with the new Scion or Nihlis, T3 and the Hawk returning from space, Canderous starting clan Ordo, Carth becomming an admiral, Scion and Nihlis hunting down all remaining Jedi, and the republic being in ****... thats all that happened between the games. Did I leave anything out or am I wrong about anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 Oh and apparantly if your evil Carth isnt an Admiral... I guess hes still in Rakata Land. Carth won't show up if Revan was a Dark Side female because one of the possible DS female endings for KotOR includes Revan killing Carth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Windu Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 Oh I was told that was only possible if you started out LS got in a relationship with him and then bamn last minute killed him, plus Bastila shows up either way and there is a much bigger possibility that you killed her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Devon Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 Go to the chronciles section of the TSL site and read parts XII and XIII. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Maker Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 If you have played though TSL (correctly) then you wouldn't have made this thread. Like Achilles said, TSL is the best answer to your question... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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