Views on Jedi

[SilverSentinal2]

Bravo!!!!!!!!! Well said When my boyfriend and I have this arguement (he's for sith I'm for Jedi) he's always telling me that I'm actually a ssith because I don't see light or dark. But I say no I am merely a Jedi who sees in color!

[SITHSLAYER133]

jedi are to pig headed to see that there not always right (not a darksider) but the sith suffer from the same problem its only when u look at both of these sides can some truth be found

[JediMaster12]

For over a thousand generations the Jedi Knights have been the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic. Before the dark times...before the Empire:Obi-wan Kenobi

 

The Jedi don't believe in killing their prisoners. No one deserves execution no matter what their crimes Bastilla

 

That is what I believe in the Jedi though I do have to say that by the time we get to Episode III, they have become arrogant in their abilities and teachings. As some have pointed in other posts, the arrogance shows when Master Windu says that the Sith couldn't have returned without them knowing. Even Master Kavar and the other masters said that it was more likely that their teachings were flawed.

 

His abilities have him arrogant:Obi-Wan Kenobi

Yes, a flaw more and more common among Jedi. Too sure of themselves, even the older, more experienced:Yoda

[Prime]

I don't think he would have done what he did if they had treated him with some shred of humanity

I do. I'm not saying the order didn't make matters worse, but Anakin still has to take some responsibility. Also, if he had actually followed the Yoda's instruction, he would not have been so obsessive of Padme's death and thus not made every decision based on it.

[Eagle Racer]

Well I can agree to disagree on that. I think it's hard to say one way or the other if there where different actions taken by the council.

[JediMaster12]

Then again, Anakin's fall was part of a long plot to take over the Republic. History has proved that the best conspiracies and takeovers are ones that are done over time and with hidden motives or rather two faced. Palpatine was a senator who became chancellor and then the emperor. He even said that he will be chancellor.

 

In short, things do change often at the manipulation of others. The arrogance of the Jedi may have contributed to it. In the end you got people who can't distinguish the difference between the Jedi and the Sith like TSL on Dantooine.

[PoiuyWired]

They see everything as black and white, no grey line exsists to them. Anyone who even claims something to be grey where viewed as falling to the darkside. Life isn't black and white, or even grey. It's colorful, very colorful.

 

Rainbow Jedis?

 

Well, in a way Sith see the world with more variety, ignoring the fact that they do everything for their own fufillment, which may include pre-emptive strikes to possable enemies and/or putting your girlfriend's evil grandma to coma.

[Prime]

They see everything as black and white, no grey line exsists to them. Anyone who even claims something to be grey where viewed as falling to the darkside.

Because that is what almost always happened. They came to that conclusion from experience.

 

Life isn't black and white, or even grey. It's colorful, very colorful.

Our world isn't, but Star Wars is designed to be.

[JediMaster12]

They see everything as black and white, no grey line exsists to them. Anyone who even claims something to be grey where viewed as falling to the darkside. Life isn't black and white, or even grey. It's colorful, very colorful.

 

Actually when it boils down to choice, there are those who see the fine line between black and white and those who don't; they see the shades of gray. So in reality choice is defined by whether or not you see the fine lines and you are defined by the choice you make based on how you view your options.

Go back to that one spot on Kashyyk with the computer protecting the Star Map. One of the options for you to choose is to evacute the people while subtly reinforcing the city. The computer tells you that is not an option. Obviously it was an either let the city die or save the city.

 

"For good or ill, you are now a true Padawan." Master Vrook

 

"The Force will be with you. Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi

[Darca Lar]

The jedi are a good people, and although some of them choose to ignore the shades of gray, they do mean well, the hard part is trying to make them see past the black and white and look at the gray as well, which explains the mandalorian wars.

[JediMaster12]

The jedi are a good people, and although some of them choose to ignore the shades of gray, they do mean well, the hard part is trying to make them see past the black and white and look at the gray as well, which explains the mandalorian wars.

 

So you would say that arrogance on the part of the Jedi is what caused the Mandalorian wars and later the rise of the Empire?

 

"Everyone thinks that the Jedi are perfect." Jolee Bindo

[jedi3112]

The Jedi are an unholy order. They are the evil that walks among us. They do not realise it is their protecting the weak that makes the galaxy weak and suffer. If you can't take care of yourself you are not worthy to be alive. The weak should die to make room for the strong, that is the way of he universe. There is no reason to think about it, it just is.

 

We Sith on the other hand are the most noble of all people. We remove the weak links from a society so that only the best survive. With only the strong genetics we can start to improve ourselves, so one day everybody will be perfect.

 

Yet the Jedi try to stop us from saving the galaxy. They are nothing but a bunch of hypocrits. The claim killing people is a bad thing, however they kill people themselves. And why would one carry a lightsaber if not to kill somebody?

 

Hence the Jedi are evil and must be destoyed, so that we Sith will rule once again.

[Ransom]

i hate jedi thay lie to much for anyone to like them at all, and its becuse of there lies that cause the darkness in the 1st place, i want to crush the jedi thay think that thay are the true kind but the force came from the unknown reagons so its truely the sith that should rule and not the jedi.

[JediMaster12]

We Sith on the other hand are the most noble of all people. We remove the weak links from a society so that only the best survive. With only the strong genetics we can start to improve ourselves, so one day everybody will be perfect.

 

Yeah and its a wonder you never had a great empire. You are always killing your leaders. You don't get anywhere

 

Yet the Jedi try to stop us from saving the galaxy. They are nothing but a bunch of hypocrits. The claim killing people is a bad thing, however they kill people themselves. And why would one carry a lightsaber if not to kill somebody?

 

They kill in defense of themselves. You SITH think it's okay to kill someone just because of one mistake. The Jedi don't believe in killing prisoners. They hold all life sacred even that of a Sith Lord.

[Sith_Reven]

The jedi are a plague and their arrogant ways should be eradicated. They push the peace, pacifist ways and they accomplish nothing. The dark side stuff in the games and movies; they make so much sense. Problems are solved faster and more is accomplished faster and more efficient. Peace and order is established. It is a better way.

[Darth InSidious]

Ha! So many people, indoctrinated by Kreia!

 

A true Jedi is humble, and sees the faults in himself. Even Vrook was able to examine his conscience. Atris ignored her conscience, which led her to fall.

 

Jedi are not emotionless machines. You people keep confusing them with Vulcans for reasons I can't fathom. I would have thought Vrook would be living proof that Jedi are just as emotional as the rest of us. While many are serene, serenity is an emotional state like any other.

 

To lie is to go against Jedi teaching - you only do this if it's important.

 

The Jedi don't see everything as black and white, but they may note that a 'grey' Jedi is sailing into the wind...

 

Anakin could not have been saved, no matter what. It was his destiny to fall.

 

The Sith lie, cheat and manipulate to get what they want. They have no compunctions about doing what is necessary to achieve their goals, and no need of love, friendship, humility, conscience or anything else like that.

 

These are just observations of the films, books, games etc, so don't take them as written law, of course.

 

I find it odd, that while so many people find Kreia annoying, a lot of you sound remarkably like her in this thread

[Gray_Master]

I need to get off for now so I didn't have time to read ALL the posts but I would like t ask if anyone else has noticed the differences betweem the jedi order of KOTOR and the jedi of the movies...please no posts on how it's 4000 years later thats not what i mean....I mean the Jedi of the movies hardly seem like pacafists...what I'm saying is the Jedi in KOTOR were all like "we can't fight the Mandys..we must wait and watch" Well to be honest, I can't see Yoda, Mace, Obi, or Qui-gon doing that....I mean dang Mace tried to kill the Palpatin (sp?) which I think was a good idea.

[Prime]

I mean the Jedi of the movies hardly seem like pacafists...

You are correct, they certainly are not pacafists.

 

what I'm saying is the Jedi in KOTOR were all like "we can't fight the Mandys..we must wait and watch" Well to be honest, I can't see Yoda, Mace, Obi, or Qui-gon doing that....I mean dang Mace tried to kill the Palpatin (sp?) which I think was a good idea.

The KOTOR Council did not advise against going to war against the Mandalorians because they were pacafists, it was because they were not convinced that jumping into a war at that time was the best course of action to ultimately defeat them. It was more a disagreement on strategy as opposed to philosophy. The KOTOR Jedi were probably even less like pacafists than the later Jedi, since there were many more conflicts at that point than there were in the years before the Clone Wars.

[Darth Windu]

Thats right. Remember that the council apparently saw something that was pushing the Mandalorian Wars, and wanted to find out what it was first. This is similar to the situation in AotC/RotS, except there the Jedi jump in while still trying to investigate. In the end it seems neither approach is better than the other, just look at the results.

 

Still, looking at the actions of Revan and Anakin, it emphasises the point that a single person can change the galaaxy and in the end, it comes down to choices on the individual scale.

 

Just my two cents.

[PoiuyWired]

Well, Each recarnation of the Jedi Order is different, even the same one would change over the years.

 

Think, the Jedi Order of Exar Kun era, kotor era, republic/clone wars era, luke's era... all have modified views on things, guidelines, jedi doctrines, and even views on the force...

[Darth InSidious]

Luke's order is not the same. He did not have all the teachings, philosophies, manuscripts, discoveries, all the things which would have been in the Jedi Archive on Coruscant, and preserved when the Jedi disappeared. Palpatine struck so suddenly that there probably wasn't a hidden backup (The Jedi are somewhat naive at times...)

[VincentFreeman]

The Jedi are the protectors of the galaxy. They try and help others who need that help. As whole, the jedi order is a bit arrogant and fairly narrow minded, treating their order more like a religion.

Outside of the main movies there has been an expansion upon the simple good/evil beliefs. We see that with Revan and with the exile. They are not Jedi from the order any longer but neither are they sith. They have transcended to something else much more capable.

[Master omega]

The thing about the jedi is that they are teachers of the way in the force and also garduns of peace. Wich is all down to one thing becuase as were are told that the force is bined to all life wich in a jedi oppion should be protected at all cost. But the prob with that is What we have read and seen before that these two things dowt always go along with each other. Thats why in regards to the jedi diff between Kotor and the films. The jedi in Kotor serve the force first republic second, Movies Republic first Force second.

 

In my oppion

[grunty]

They bug me. They just piss me off. I don't know why.

It might be because they're just to calm, to peaceful. They don't laugh, or cry, or even smile enough.

 

True

 

Although I hate to be DS, most LS options aren't witty or funny but boring language that you've heard from all the "wise" Jedi. I wish more options would be available to you during conversations which not only showed light/dark orientation, but also personality.

 

I loved the funny come-ons you could say to Bastily in K1. Great stuff.

[Sith_Reven]

I guess I wasn't clear. By pacifists I meant in the games and only their methods. For example the whole jedi not going to war and sitting back and watching the fighting from afar.