j-muny Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 I was watching epIII the other day and it just really dawned on me how much the clone pilots suck in combat. For instance each arc-170 has a tailgunner, but every fighter following anakin and obi wan was blown to hell. Are they really that terrible of an aim or what? i like the clone troopers but i would have liked to see some 170's holding it down chuck liddel style. Your thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MachineCult Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 There were maybe hundreds of Droid Starfighters following them, they couldn't hit all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Obi-Wan Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 There were maybe hundreds of Droid Starfighters following them, they couldn't hit all of them. Exactly. The numbers of the Republic compared to the CIS was quite different. CIS had much more troopers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Andrew Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 i like the clone troopers but i would have liked to see some 170's holding it down chuck liddel style.I have to agree with you. Though the overwhelming number of droid starfighters is a good point, why couldn't they hit many when they (and Obi-Wan and Anakin) were attacking head on? After all, the droids were clumped together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j-muny Posted February 5, 2006 Author Share Posted February 5, 2006 yeh exactly what im saying, the droid star fighters were in like a clump behind them, JUST HOLD THE TRIGGER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MachineCult Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 They're better than those TIE retards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redtech Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 The Wright brothers were better pilots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 it makes sense that they were outnumbered... one on one, an x-wing could take on a tie-fighter with little difficulty in a situation similar to that of BoC... (by that i mean each pilot knows the other pilot is there, and knows his location--no surprises) along the same thoughts, an ARC could do the same with a droid starfighter... however, if you consider the sheer difference in numbers, it doesn't really matter how good of a squadron you have, your pilots WILL, in fact, die... not all of them, but many of them, its just a fact of warfare... sure, your truly exceptional pilots will survive against all odds, being outnumbered, and/or being in an inferior ship (for example, anakin, fel, antilles, and others) but you will lose a lot of pilots, no matter how good or bad their aim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redtech Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Your point does stand. I think the main argument is the fact that the clones don't seem to enjoy the idea of firing at closely tight packed droid formations. Although I dunno how going 1 on 1 or two on one they should have so much trouble. ESPECIALLY with tail gunners. Guess it's dramatic effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 yeh exactly what im saying, the droid star fighters were in like a clump behind them, JUST HOLD THE TRIGGER.As if it were that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kensai Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Maybe it was to signify the decline of humanity and the superiority of the droids over human counterparts, allbeit clones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 "Clones are immensely superior to droids." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 A matter of opinion in terms of combat usefulness... plus they're far more expensive and time consuming to produce! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 A matter of opinion in terms of combat usefulness... plus they're far more expensive and time consuming to produce! yes, they are more expensive and time conuming to produce... however, they have one very great advantage over droids, they have the ability to think, and improvise, and are very capable warriors even when put out on their own or in a chaotic situation, or without a commanding officer. droids tend to go haywire without their commanding officer (the droid "captains" or whatever they were called; the big droid disc-circle-ship-thingisms; or a wet to guide them) sure, if you pit as many droids as you could into an arena against the same monetary value in clones, the droids will be victorious, why? because that takes away the advantage from the clones (or, more precisely, prevents it from being a disadvantage to the tinnies) unfortunately, a big arena isn't the average battlefield, thus, why clones are superior warriors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j-muny Posted March 9, 2006 Author Share Posted March 9, 2006 i think what really gets to me is how much i dont like the droid army, its boring, plain. I've always been into the republic forces and imperial forces of the original trilogy. But seeing the clones humiliated in space kind of dissapointed me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redtech Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Personally, I would have nuked Coruscant. That shows my disspointment in the CIS, but heck, this is Lucas, it's star "wars" without the cruelty or sadism of warfare. I ain't dissapointed the clones were in trouble, it felt "plot deviced" anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 this is Lucas, it's star "wars" without the cruelty or sadism of warfare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redtech Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Why is all the violence behind the scenes? Next you'll tell me that the Clones have a Guantanamo-style torture camp and that the Empire disintegrated millions using some sort of planet-sized superweapon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MachineCult Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 A whole army of Gungans got totally slaughtered by droids in Dark Horses Clone Wars series, theres a 2 page picture of a big pile of dead Gungans in a swamp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Which was not in the actual movie... I don't think we see any piles of dead gungans in TPM (though it has been awhile since I watched the DVD, so feel free to provide counter examples). Sure we see them lifted off their feet and tossed by an explosion (presumed dead, since this isn't a cartoon), but the only "carnage" seen in the prequels is of droids (ROTS being the sole exception with the children in the Jedi temple and a few clones littered about on the planets). As far as the droids being unable to "think" we see plenty of examples of them thinking. Behind the scenes they've become independent of the droid control ships (backup systems) after the events of TPM, but even in TPM we have examples, like the droid who goes "uhh, err.. um... that doesn't compute... you're under arrest!" to Qui Gon after he announces he's leaving for coruscant with the Naboo personel. Take a look at the Super Battle Droids in ROTS. Sure they have stupid squeeky voices and they aren't as smart as R2D2 or Threepio (two droids who do a ton of thinking and outsmart plenty of biological entities in the movies), but that's because they're the bad guys. Clones, however resourceful, still have to obey orders, even if those orders are foolish, and we know the clones are so loyal they'll follow even suicidal orders given by incompetent generals, at least in the movies. Despite the pride of the Kaminoeans in their work, it seems the biggest draw of the clones, besides looking cool, is their superior weaponry and vehicle support. Their tactics improve drastically in ROTS, but they still get mowed down by droids in actual combat and are given as good as they get. We've all wondered why the Empire switched to clones instead of droids, but it seems like the only real answer is that the people who controlled most of the droid production were defeated. But then all those droid armies would become property of the Empire, so why didn't they use them later? The real reason is that Lucas didn't have the CGI tech to show massive armies of droids. The only droids we see in the classic trilogy under the Empire are the usual protocol an astromech droids, and the occasional mouse droid or floating security camera. Dark Troopers are in the EU and various other "war droids" that mostly surface as secret projects or long after the Empire's fall. Perhaps there was just public sentiment and stigma against droids among the masses after all the propaganda of the Clone Wars (that's one way to interpret the scene where the droids are kicked out of the Mos Eisley Cantina, though it might just be local prejudice, since Tatooine isn't part of the Republic, and only nominally part of the Empire, if that). In any case, one could argue that after the Clone Wars, the Empire didn't need droids OR clones, since both are supposed to be for large scale land wars, which really weren't occuring (the battles with the Rebellion were tiny by comparison, and could be more easily won with fleet engagements). If pacifying populations was what was needed, they'd need massive more amounts of troopers than they had, meaning they'd have to setup local populations, etc. But I'm rambling now. All things being equal droids just have too many advantages over clones in combat, unless you deliberately cripple the droids to maximize their shortcomings. The rest is mere propaganda value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MachineCult Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 yeh exactly what im saying, the droid star fighters were in like a clump behind them, JUST HOLD THE TRIGGER. It's not a f***ing video game, you have no idea what you are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Andrew Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 I don't see why people are still attacking a month-old post. When you think about it, it really doesn't matter whether the clone pilots were great or not, since they got so little screen time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 Why is all the violence behind the scenes? So the film doesn't get a restricted rating. Adults don't buy Star Wars toys (well not the ones who don't post in the collectors forum). But then again, we do see lots of dismemberment (three heads even), and someone burned alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j-muny Posted March 11, 2006 Author Share Posted March 11, 2006 I don't see why people are still attacking a month-old post. When you think about it, it really doesn't matter whether the clone pilots were great or not, since they got so little screen time. excuse us for offending you in anyway, im so sorry. idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 Was that really necessary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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