Lightsaberboy Posted February 5, 2006 Posted February 5, 2006 In Empire strikes back, Yoda tells Luke, " Do, or do not. There is no try." Then in RotS, Anakin tells Obi-Wan, "you are either with me or my enemy!", to which Obi-Wan responds with, "Only a Sith deals in absolutes!" So what does that makes Yoda? What do you guys think? discuss!
IG-64 Posted February 5, 2006 Posted February 5, 2006 "Do or do not, there is no try" is a fancy yode line. "you're either with me or you're my enemy!" I heard was a political statement. (if you are not with us, then you are with the terrorists) That would be the boring way to look at things. The Star Wars way of looking at things I guess would be this. I think "do or do not, there is no try" was an idea of putting things into perspective and testing weither or not you're serious about something, but the absolutes obi was talking about refers to the blindness of a sith for not looking at the grays in-between the blacks and the whites.[/complete BS] >_> I dunno really.
Lightsaberboy Posted February 5, 2006 Author Posted February 5, 2006 Maybe that is why in the third movie, none of them could sense the dark side. They all just thought it was Yoda!
TK-8252 Posted February 5, 2006 Posted February 5, 2006 Well, "only a Sith deals in absolutes" is itself an absolute. So it'd be better to ask if Obi-Wan was a Sith.
Black Knight of Keno Posted February 5, 2006 Posted February 5, 2006 No, no, no... "Do or do not" is not actually an absolutist idea. It's more about self confidence. See, if you say you're going to try to do something, it means that you don't trust yourself enought to go throught with it, so it would be just better to say that you won't do it. "You are either with me or my enemy" is a completely different thing. It is an absolutist policy that, for example, the USA uses currently in the middle-east And Yoda can't be a sith because he is the only one that I know of that can be called a Jedi lord (If I remeber correctly, even starwars.com databank calls him a jedi lord)
Lightsaberboy Posted February 5, 2006 Author Posted February 5, 2006 Well, "only a Sith deals in absolutes" is itself an absolute. So it'd be better to ask if Obi-Wan was a Sith. damn, i hadn't thought of that. Good point!
toms Posted February 5, 2006 Posted February 5, 2006 Can we get some [Complete BS]tags implemented in the forum?[/Complete BS] I think they'd be used quite a bit. ;-) [Complete BS]I think that GL paid such attention to the continuity that any small inconsistency like this MUST have been intentional. [/Complete BS] Did they ever explain WHY they suddenly lost that ability? Or was it just a case of "obvious plot device"?
El Sitherino Posted February 5, 2006 Posted February 5, 2006 Well, "only a Sith deals in absolutes" is itself an absolute. So it'd be better to ask if Obi-Wan was a Sith. Re-read the words, notice the "deals" part? I saw no bartering from Obi, only Anakin. Yoda's comment isn't of affiliation and battle, it's about will of action. There's really no deal, so much as choose your future; do you wish to become a jedi like your father, or do you wish to be a helpless farmboy trying to save his friends? Either way, there is no trying.
TiE23 Posted February 5, 2006 Posted February 5, 2006 Yoda could be a sith by saying, "I am pale green." See how silly it is? It's the same idea.
Bastila Posted February 5, 2006 Posted February 5, 2006 I think Yoda went mad while on Dagoba on his own that could expline it.
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