ExileRevan Posted July 21, 2006 Posted July 21, 2006 Alright, it is my beleif that Mace Windu defeated Sidious fair and square, some say that The Emperor let him win, my question is to what point and purpose would Sidious let Mace win? You cant realy trust Ani to be loyal to you ( although he was ). Another beleif I have is about Yoda being greatly weakend by the Jedi Purge, and Mace hadnt been. What do you all think?
Darth Andrew Posted July 21, 2006 Posted July 21, 2006 To me, it looked like Palpatine was simply bluffing so as to draw Anakin into the dark side. Anakin knew that if Palpatine was killed, he wouldn't learn the power to save Padme. Also, I'm sure Palpy did it to see where Anakin's allegiance truly went to.
Servercat Posted July 22, 2006 Posted July 22, 2006 it looked that way to me as well and the novelization of the movie says the same thing. Mace even realizes it( at least partially) midway during the fight.
KyleOfHarpenden Posted July 22, 2006 Posted July 22, 2006 ye it could have been a bluff becaus ei thought yoda would kick his arse(witch he probally would have done if it was more of a fair fight) Windu is strong but not the best so ye it was all a trick
itchythesamurai Posted July 22, 2006 Posted July 22, 2006 I don't think it was all just a trick, because that means Palpatine would've just let Windu mess up his face, and you know how vain those Sith get. Also, I didn't think Mace's death was final enough. He gets thrown out of a window, but there are ways for Jedi Masters to get around that.
Darth_Terros Posted July 22, 2006 Posted July 22, 2006 I don't think it was all just a trick, because that means Palpatine would've just let Windu mess up his face, and you know how vain those Sith get. Dont think i've ever seen any evidence of a vain sith?
itchythesamurai Posted July 22, 2006 Posted July 22, 2006 My logic is that Dark Jedis would be more self-centered and interested in superficial and materialistic pursuits. They like to be pampered more than their light side counterparts. It might've just been me, but the Chancellor seemed to be very mindful of his appearance before Mace Windu's attack.
Pho3nix Posted July 22, 2006 Posted July 22, 2006 Palpatine had to "lose" so that he was able to manipulate Anakin the last bit and make him choose to go on the path to the darkside, so yes. He did lose on purpose.
johnnyoi Posted July 22, 2006 Posted July 22, 2006 it's really simple.... If windu would have beaten Sidious, Sidious would have died, and there wouldn't have been an empire(wel not sidious' empire anyway). He wouldn't have been able to resurrect himself yet!
TK-8252 Posted July 22, 2006 Posted July 22, 2006 Officially, Sidious didn't throw the fight. Mace DID win fair and square. It has been speculated that he did let Mace win, which I can easily see why some would think so (I thought so until I heard the official explanation).
itchythesamurai Posted July 22, 2006 Posted July 22, 2006 So if Sidious actually lost, he just turned a really bad situation to his advantage. I bet he could have still persuaded Anakin after killing Mace anyway, he's a charismatic kinda guy.
Pho3nix Posted July 22, 2006 Posted July 22, 2006 Probably, but I still think it was part of his plan, and I don't think you should over-analyze Star Wars.
itchythesamurai Posted July 22, 2006 Posted July 22, 2006 I agree that Star Wars should be enjoyed rather than nitpicked, but some things are open to debate, and there's fun to be had in innocent speculation. Besides, the really great movies are the ones people can discuss later.
johnnyoi Posted July 22, 2006 Posted July 22, 2006 I agree that Star Wars should be enjoyed rather than nitpicked, but some things are open to debate, and there's fun to be had in innocent speculation. Besides, the really great movies are the ones people can discuss later. right on!
Black Jesus Posted July 27, 2006 Posted July 27, 2006 This link has a decent look at it. I think Sidious, with his vast abilities, let Mace "gain the advantage", when he had none all along.
Davinq Posted July 28, 2006 Posted July 28, 2006 I think it was BECAUSE of the Jedi Purge that Sidious was able to win, because it weakened Mace enough by causing enough of a distraction for Anakin to amputate away.
TK-8252 Posted July 28, 2006 Posted July 28, 2006 "The character profiles for both Windu and Palpatine on the official Star Wars website describe Windu as gaining the advantage, and make no mention of Palpatine throwing the fight." "The book "The Making of Star Wars Revenge of the Sith" mentions that this particular scene was edited with the intention of making so that Palpatine did not fake his loss in the lightsaber duel." Now that that's settled...
Kain Posted July 28, 2006 Posted July 28, 2006 it looked that way to me as well and the novelization of the movie says the same thing. Mace even realizes it( at least partially) midway during the fight. I want the quote from the novel where it says Mace realizes he's being toyed with.
Davinq Posted July 28, 2006 Posted July 28, 2006 Can't help you there... hey Kain are you a member of the LotR TLA by any chance?
Bill-Ba D'Kota Posted July 29, 2006 Posted July 29, 2006 I think it was BECAUSE of the Jedi Purge that Sidious was able to win, because it weakened Mace enough by causing enough of a distraction for Anakin to amputate away. How is this possible? Mace was defeated by Sidious and Anakin before any purging took place. Remember, it was after Anakin swore allegiance to Sidious that Sidious executed Order 66... Darn Jedi.. they are relentless.
RC-1162 Posted July 29, 2006 Posted July 29, 2006 the thing is, Mace shouldnt have kept talking "oh, im going to end this...". he should have just taken off Palpy's head before anakin made it to the office
MachineCult Posted July 29, 2006 Posted July 29, 2006 I think it was BECAUSE of the Jedi Purge that Sidious was able to win, because it weakened Mace enough by causing enough of a distraction for Anakin to amputate away. lol, like Bill said, Mace was killed BEFORE the purge so you fail totally and completely. the thing is, Mace shouldnt have kept talking "oh, im going to end this...". he should have just taken off Palpy's head before anakin made it to the office He couldn't really move his saber because he was holding to shield himself from Palpatines lightning.
RC-1162 Posted July 29, 2006 Posted July 29, 2006 ^^^ no, i meant just after Mace knocks Palpy's saber out of the window, where he makes Palpy crawl backward by holding his saber point at Palpy's throat. at that time, Anakin enters. i'm saying Mace should have just beheaded old Sidious when he had the clear shot instead of going into saying what he would do.
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