16 year old girl kills mother, posts about it on blogs and forums

[Dagobahn Eagle]

Personally I've found several of the insights in the posts of Dagobahn Eagle rather enlightening already.

Thank you:)!

He's not Freud, and he doesn't have to be.

Nor does he want to be, considering the exceedingly high suicide rates of Mr./Dr.(?) Freud's victims patients:p.

 

But is not "news" just a shorter version of "speculate about other peoples private affairs"? It's the whole point of haing news! People want to know about other people and then talk crap about them behind their backs. That's how humans are. And don't try to deny it. IMHO, you have missed the point by far

But there's a difference between tabloid news ("Tom Cruise has a new girlfriend! OMG!") and important news such as these (a homicide).

 

Why the **** is she automatically crazy for killing her mother? Perhaps she's just a callous little bitch. I'll never understand why people always have to cling to the hope that someone is simply crazy and it's not their own doing.

I just always thought you had to be crazy to kill someone. But then again, you don't have to be crazy to kill yourself, or crazy to kill someone in war (note that I'm not suggesting that killing an Iraqi soldier in Operation Desert Storm to free Kuwait is the same as murdering your mom).

 

I guess it's just that I never thought of it that way (call it ignorance) rather than that I was "clinging to the hope".

[Good Sir Knight]

What a downer Debby.

[CapNColostomy]

Hmm. I believe that a mature person would be making comments about her psychological state. Perhaps a mature person would be making an effort to understand the psychology of such a person, so that they could recognise it in others... perhaps in friends or relatives.

 

Really? So if we just tried to understand what led this idiot to do what she did, we could suddenly stop cold blooded murder in its tracks? Or at least be more tolerant and/or understanding of it? But only if we are mature and understanding, of course. Huzzah! Then and only then, would anyone be fit to comment on it, according to your infinite wisdom, yes? What makes you think your commentary is any more mature than anyone else's on the subject? Because it's YOUR commentary? Please. Why would it be any more mature to try and "understand" the act of murder than to condemn it or mock it, especially under these circumstances? Please stop trying to make your opinion synonomous with fact. I'll do the same. Thanks. Cheers!

 

A mature person would not be saying "Piss on emos". Because saying "piss on emos", as you did, would be immaturely lashing out at an entire fashion group, an entire social strata, for the actions of one deranged individual. If the girl was German, no doubt you would be typing things like "piss on germans". If you don't see anything wrong in saying such things, perhaps you need to engage in some self-analysis.

 

Well if this young lady were instead a fan of "gangsta rap" music, and she shot up a whole house full of people in a drive-by-shooting, and I said "piss on "gangstas" no one would type/utter a word of argument. But you know some whiny (the definition of emo, btw) people personally, and that makes you an expert on what my opinion should be, so I'm the devil...Whatever, slick. It's also my fault you'd confuse a tongue in cheek comment with "I HATE GERMANS!" I reckon.

 

Is it more troubling to you that people noticed that she was "emo" or that it was commented upon? Either way=suck. My advice is, if you don't want to be talked about, don't give anyone anything to talk about. She was emo. Of course it's going to be mentioned. Don't be an idiot.

 

And so what if I did lash out at "an entire fashion group (which is laughable all by itself...I lashed out at a fashion group! OhnOesz!)? That's hardly comparable to being born in a country of which you have no choosing, and being mocked because of that. People aren't born emo. People, however, are born German. Nice try at an analogy. But an ultimate FAIL, still. But yeah, "no doubt" I'd say "piss on Germans". Doh.

 

PS. I hate No Doubt.

 

I have met foolish and self-absorbed gothy/emo types, and intelligent, pleasant gothy/emo types. Just as I have met honourable Germans, and rather silly immature Germans.

 

Good for you. I'm not sure what that has to do with price of tea in China, but yay team.

 

This is the only correct thing you typed in your post. There is indeed a place for humour in the face of tragedy. Without humour and satire, we would turn into a bunch of hand-wringing old women, unable to maintain our morale or do anything constructive in life.

 

You seem to have the idea that your ideas mean something to anyone other than you. They don't. Your opinion is yours. Mine is my own. Neither can possibly be "correct" or incorrect. We can disagree, and not be right or wrong.

 

However, humour is one thing, but making abusive blanket statements about a large group of people is not humour, it's foolish.

 

This is The Senate. I'm sure I've seen you mock Americans and people of various religions on numerous occasions. If I'm wrong, dandy. Otherwise, please climb down from that fruity horse of yours. Also, please go ahead and take that second 'u' out of humor like the rest of the civilized world. Yeah, we get it, you all came up with the language. Whoopdeedoo.

 

I believe Feanaro was making the (quite correct) point that the comments made above were not directed at this murderess. They were comments like "f**k all emos!!!1". Now that doesn't insult or lampoon this murdering girl, it merely insults all those who dress like her. Or all those who listen to the same music. You can't excuse that by any moral means.

 

"quite correct" you say, once again, as if there's a right and a wrong here. Like you've proven anything, or somehow won. There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG with making light of this horrible situation, or mocking the social group the individual in question was invlolved with. What, you like emo people/music/clothes etc...so anyone who talks down on it is incorrect? *farts*

 

If you somehow equate talking bad about emo with racism, pissing on people because of where they were born, etc..."perhaps you need to engage in some self-analysis."

 

And frankly, your attitude... It's juvenile. You swear and bluster. Be cool. Be logical.

 

Well sir, if you want to make the argument personal, which I have not done until now (speaking of immature), I think you are snooty, sanctimonious, and kind of a well, I'm really making an effort not to swear in this post, so I'll leave it at that. You know, cool. Logical.

 

D*c*h*a*.

[Dagobahn Eagle]

Really? So if we just tried to understand what led this idiot to do what she did, we could suddenly stop cold blooded murder in its tracks?

Maybe we could stop a few of them, yes.

 

Or at least be more tolerant and/or understanding of it? But only if we are mature and understanding, of course. Huzzah!

Understanding, yes. Understanding something never hurts. I don't recall anyone preaching "tolerance to murder", though.

 

Then and only then, would anyone be fit to comment on it, according to your infinite wisdom, yes?

No. He said "perhaps".

 

What makes you think your commentary is any more mature than anyone else's on the subject?

Well, for starters, he put thought into it instead of making it a silly joke or an attack on emos in general. Second off, he was serious.

 

Well if this young lady were instead a fan of "gangsta rap" music, and she shot up a whole house full of people in a drive-by-shooting, and I said "piss on "gangstas" no one would type/utter a word of argument.

I know I would. And I don't see why you changed the analogy from "single homicide" to "shooting up a whole house"?

 

You seem to have the idea that your ideas mean something to anyone other than you.

They do.

 

This is The Senate. I'm sure I've seen you mock Americans and people of various religions on numerous occasions.

Yes, we've made some well-founded arguments against certain groups and political parties, yes. But none of us, as far as I recall, has ever said something like "piss on Americans" or "**** all Christians".

 

Cap? Grow up.

[CapNColostomy]

No. He said "perhaps".[/Quote]

No. He implied that mocking emo people at large was somehow wrong, because of one girls actions, and anything other than his opinion was immature. "Perhaps" is beside the point.

 

Well, for starters, he put thought into it instead of making it a silly joke or an attack on emos in general. Second off, he was serious.[/Quote]

 

Making his opinion more valid how? Right then.

 

And I don't see why you changed the analogy from "single homicide" to "shooting up a whole house"?[/Quote]

 

Oh, I guess when I said that, I was following the logic that being emo was in some way similar to being German. You're right, that is stupid. At least my analogy had similar things though. You're splitting hairs. It doesn't matter how many people are killed in the analogy. Change it from "house full" to one. The point remains the same.

 

They do.[/Quote]

 

No.

 

Yes, we've made some well-founded arguments against certain groups and political parties, yes. But none of us, as far as I recall, has ever said something like "piss on Americans" or "**** all Christians".

 

Really? Aren't you yourself "Boycotting Israel"? You are aware that Israel is a country, and that not everyone there is in disagreement with your opinion on the war going on there, right? Seems pretty blanketed to me.

 

Cap? Grow up.

 

In other words you have nothing intelligent to add. Not being in agreement with you people isn't the same as not being mature, or not being an adult, dumbass. In the future, if you feel the need to try and insult me on a personal level, send a PM if you'd like. In closing, I still say there is nothing wrong with mocking emo people, or any people for that matter. The fact is, she murdered someone, and then was stupid enough to make blog entries on it. Secondary to that, she was "emo" or whatever. It doesn't really make any difference what social group she falls into. She's subject to ridicule just on the grounds of being a dumbass. Saying dumbass is okay, but don't say dumbass emos? Come the hell on.

[Good Sir Knight]

Cap? Grow up.

 

My entire post would have been deleted for that one, not just the offending remark.

 

 

Really? Aren't you yourself "Boycotting Israel"? You are aware that Israel is a country, and that not everyone there is in disagreement with your opinion on the war going on there, right? Seems pretty blanketed to me.

 

Eagle was also very openminded regarding the Genocide thread. Ya know..the thread that asked people whether the final solution was a just cause.

[El Sitherino]

Wah, they made some comments about emo people.

 

Who gives a ****, get back on topic and stop whining like little PC elitists.

 

Damn.

[Dagobahn Eagle]

Heh, all right, all right. Skin's probably wipe the whole mess out anyhow.

 

PS: Don't pick your avatar while affected by cocaine:p.

[Good Sir Knight]

Who gives a ****, get back on topic and stop whining like little PC elitists.

Damn.

 

I wonder if Skin Walker will apply the same standards of moderation to Sith's posting.

 

If he wasn't a moderator it would be construed as flamebait at best.

 

Oh and for your information Mr. Sith, I hate the PC culture as much or more than you do. That doesn't mean that I won't fight intolerance though.

 

As for the subject of this thread? Crazy people will do crazy things, emo or not.

[CapNColostomy]

That doesn't mean that I won't fight intolerance though.

 

Werd, brother. Fight the power. Or wise up and realize that while this a public forum, it is also privately owned. The mods here, to an extent, can do whatever they see fit to do as far as censoring posts, like Skinwalker already explained to you. This is not a democracy. I've had posts here edited/deleted. Was it because Skinwalker's a dick and doesn't like me? Maybe. Was it because I violated forum rules? Definately. Instead of using every thread to complain about being censored, censor yourself before you post. Or realize (like myself) that posting here with inflamatory remarks might result in losing a post or two.

 

You know, not to brown-nose or anything, but I think Skinwalker really does a great job modding this forum. Some mods or supermods would probably use inflamatory posts as an excuse to ban a member. Skinwalker just gets rid of/ edits them. Like I said, he's done it to me too, and at the moment it kinda pissed me off. But after thinking about the alternative (being banned from an online community I thoroughly enjoy visiting and taking part in), I decided being censored here and there wasn't so bad afterall. Just something to think about.

[Good Sir Knight]

Well that's quite a statement, not only do you confirm that censorship is rampant here but you claim to be bullied into enjoying it.

 

By the way, how was that little bit addressing the topic of this thread?

[Agen]

I still object to the fact that interesting threads are moved from Yoda's Swamp to Senate purely because they have a solemn nature.

[CapNColostomy]

Well that's quite a statement, not only do you confirm that censorship is rampant here but you claim to be bullied into enjoying it.

 

No. I never said I was bullied at all, or that I enjoyed being censored. I said that being censored for VIOLATING FORUM RULES is better than the alternative, being banned. Scroll up and you can easily see what I said. Also, I wouldn't go so far as to say censorship is "rampant". But even if it were (it's not), what of it? It's their site! When I tell my children not to cuss, or talk back to me, is that censorship? I suppose so. But is it my right to do so, considering I pay for everything they have? You're gawd-damned right it is.

 

Before you try and say I'm calling you a child, or the staff your parents, let me clarify that I'm not. What I AM saying is you don't have the right at all, to run your head in somebody else's house. Once again, this is NOT A DEMOCRACY.

 

By the way, how was that little bit addressing the topic of this thread?

 

Well, considering you've made several efforts to change the topic, I thought I'd address you. How can you blame me for your changing of the topic? I thought I'd offer you some insight on how things work around here. You obviously have things all worked out, and are getting along just fine. Huzzah.

[Good Sir Knight]

Ya know I think you're just being cranky, I've never even really seen you on here and you flip out.

 

This must be serious business to you.

[CapNColostomy]

Ya know I think you're just being cranky, I've never even really seen you on here and you flip out.

 

Really? I thought I was being pretty mild by comparrison to my usual mode. At what point did I seem to be flipping out to you? I was honestly trying to be helpful and cool to you. Take it how you want, I reckon.

 

This must be serious business to you.

 

No. But look who's talking.

[Good Sir Knight]

You seem pretty hyphy.

 

I would know. : )

 

Oh and regarding the serious business, I didn't have any with you so it's hard to imagine why you'd go off kilter.

 

Then again there is no way you're getting banned like I am, it's your opinion of course.

[ET Warrior]

This needs to stop, even though all Cap'N was doing was trying to be nice. If either of you feel like continuing the discussion please take it to PM's

[SkinWalker]

I'd say this topic has played itself out.