A Force choking Jedi

[JediLandon]

maybe if you use it for good besides bad then its not really a bad power if you use it for good

[The_Catto]

^^^ Its a Dark Side power, no matter what you use it for, IMO. Its just exactly what Anakin was doing in ROTS. How being on the same side as Palpy would be good, for him in order to save Padme, but it was actually bad because of all the deaths he had inflicted in the process.

 

Using a Dark Side power, for whatever intentions is still a bad choice.

[Titanius Anglesmith]

One thing I don't understand is, what makes a power a dark side power? Is it because you are using the Force to attack someone? If that is the case, then how do you explain Jedi using Force Push? It is also an attack.

 

I think that no (or at least barely any) Force powers are inherently good or bad, it's how one uses them is what makes it a dark or light power. Would you still think Force Choke is a dark side power if someone simply choked the attacker of some random civilian, and also only choked him into unconsciousness? That doesn't seem like a dark side act to me. I think if someone is using a supposedly "dark side" power in self defense or in the defense of another, then it is alright.

[Gug Eyewalker]

Oh god not this again....

Putting the light/dark side power debate aside.

 

I always had the impression that Luke did not force choke the guards at all, he merely repelled them and put them to sleep. You notice how they leaned against the wall and went slack? Perhaps he also used a kind of mindtrick, they seemed stunned.

[Jurrassco]

But in order to defend against such an attack one must learn of it. If so, then Yoda would have the ability to produce force lightning. But seeming how force lightning is more of an attack ability he would not use it.

well, from episode 2 it seems that yoda can throw it back, so in battle that vould be a useful skill

[BigMike322]

If you want to go by Kotor guidelines a lightsided person can force choke, it just requires more force power because it is a lightsided person using a darksided power.

[Rev7]

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_Choke

 

Read the Usage part, hope this answered your question.

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[Darth Xander]

I hope he did kill them because I hate Gammoreans.

[Henz]

The notion that force powers are good or bad is simple video game logic. It's all about context and motivation.

 

You could force push (lightside) a guy off a cliff the same as you could use a small shock of lightning (darkside) to start someone's heart up and safe their life.

[adamqd]

Agreed, besides the whole good and bad powers, and what it takes to be a darksider wasn't really established when ROTJ was made. people would be surprised by how much of our knowledge of the Force, Jedi, Sith etc, was established by games, books, comics, video games and later the prequels.

[NL_Sudentor]

An issue that as been in my mind for a while that I thought I would discuss here.

 

In ROTJ when Luke first enters Jabba's Palace, he is cut off by 2 Gamorrean Guards, and Force chokes them. I thought that Force choke is a Dark side ability. Also, Isn't it against a Jedi's nature to kill some one that has not attacked them? The Gamorreans did not attack him, but stopped him from passing. Why is it that in the movies Luke is the only Jedi that has used force choke?

 

With these questions I also am reminded in Jedi Acadamy game, Kyle Katarn says

"...force powers are never inherintally good or bad, it's how you use them."

 

But during Lukes training Yoda tells him "A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack."

 

Any one have any comments?

 

 

He needs to act like a bad guys, if he is there with his normal outfit they won't let him in.

I think.

[Kurgan]

You are right, it doesn't matter what people say, only what g-canon says. And it says Yoda deflected the lightning.

 

 

Wow, this thread is still going! Which source are you referring to here? The novelization?

 

The thing is, while the novelization IS G-canon, so is the screenplay and so is the movie. But the movie trumps the other two sources where there is a contradiction. "re-directing an attack" (like Dooku's "deflection" in the same scene?) and "using lightning" seem to me to be different things. The novels (which are based on the screenplays, coming out before the movies they are based on) do differ from the movies in several places (for example Episode III's novel has Sideous' lightning actually melting and re-arranging his face, whereas in the movie it looks like his face just steams a little and magically turns into the familiar yellow-eyed "prune-face" look he sports in ROTJ).

 

Does the novel's (I'm assuming that the novel actually says that, for the sake of argument) description really reflect what we see on screen in the finished film?

 

It looks like Yoda absorbs Dooku's attack and then throws a bolt of lightning at Dooku. So did he break some "rule" or not? There's really nothing in the movies that says he can't or shouldn't use lightning (except the "never for attack" thing, but remember, within the story logic, that's another 26 years in the future, and he and the rest of the Jedi break this "rule" routinely as a matter of course).