The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement

[Achilles]

They said they want a virus that would wipe out the human race. They can't unsay it.

Quote please.

 

Atheists have also killed because religion is something they cannot understand or tolerate.

Legitimate source please.

[Nancy Allen``]

It's been done.

 

Stalin and Mao were Atheists and killed those who followed religion. Twist it about anyway you like but the fact remains they kill theists.

[Achilles]

It's been done.

Which post are you referencing?

 

Stalin and Mao were Atheists and killed those who followed religion. Twist it about anyway you like but the fact remains they kill theists.

That argument has been shown to be invalid more than once. Please provide a legitimate source to support your claim, show that your argument is not a strawman, or withdraw your comment. Thanks in advance.

[SilentScope001]

Nancy Allen''', I provided the quote where he actually mentioned it, and Les personally said that it was idle in this very thread.

 

Achilles, can you please get back on topic? I do not want this thread to be derailed. The Rapture can't be caused by anyone anyway, it's supposed to be done by God whenever he so desires, and it's not even confirmed in the Bible anyhow.

[Nancy Allen``]

Up to now, only my poor, beleaguered wife has listened to me fulminate against the human race and call for a new incurable plague rendering us all infertile (actually, I inflict the same rants on the family at holiday dinners -- cheers, everyone!).<

 

Yeah, I quit doing that when everyone began rolling their eyes and sighing loudly as if to say, "Here we go again." They stop listening after a while -- after a very short time, actually. Maybe half a sentence if it sounds like something they don't agree with. They begin looking for a trash can in their minds: "Let's see, is it the misanthrope trash? Maybe the baby-hater trash can. Yeah. Did anyone watch Seinfeld last night?"

 

I agree that the best thing that could happen to Earth would be for all Homo sapiens sperm to lose viability forever. Sure, sperm counts are down world wide, but that hasn't slowed our growth much if at all. I wouldn't credit it with the drop from 90+ million per year to the estimated 80 million present growth. People are saying the population explosion is over because of this little dip. As one population activist commented, just because the tidal wave is 80 feet high instead of 90 is not cause for celebration.

 

Unless some space alien joins forces with us, that global infertility dream is going to remain a dream. We have to take other steps. I've chosen awareness. I like to believe I've prevented a few humans from being conceived -- gives me a warm feeling.

 

Now are you going to sit there and claim that there is no such statement?

 

Stalin killed theists, he killed them because they followed religion. You can claim it being a strawman all you like, if you are going to claim that religion is evil because theists kill then you must also accept that intolerance to religion does the same thing.

[Achilles]

Now are you going to sit there and claim that there is no such statement?

Yes, I am going to sit here an accurately state that nowhere in the organization's online charter do they make any such statement. I will acknowledge that one guy made an aside on the comments page. Is that your case?

 

Stalin killed theists, he killed them because they followed religion. You can claim it being a strawman all you like, if you are going to claim that religion is evil because theists kill then you must also accept that intolerance to religion does the same thing.

I'll assume at this point that you aren't interested in defending your point and have opted to repeat yourself rather than withdraw your statement.

[Allronix]

Admitting a dark fantasy and actually being serious about it are two different things, Ms. Allen. If everyone who envisioned the end of the humanity was taken that seriously, we'd be tossing Stephen King and Alan Alan Weisman in jail.

 

And Achilles has a point. We have seen the Stalin and Mao argument. It's becoming a sad variant on Godwin's Law. It wasn't just the religious those killed - it was anyone threatening their stranglehold on power, much like Roman emperors and medieval kings did in their era. Religious heretics and political opponents are always the best targets for tyrants, no matter what flag they want to fly.

[Totenkopf]

Far as I'm concerned, if people in the VHEM want to phase their gene line out of the human race.... have at it. I'd only ask that Zero Population advocates, as well as the members of ALF/ELF/Earth First all join in with them. I'm sure there are many other groups that could join in too. Let them all be bold and lead by example. If worse comes to worse, at least they won't be forced to feel bad if the world really does go kablooey after they "leave". So long as they don't cross the line from suicide into homicide.......no big deal.

[ET Warrior]

So long as they don't cross the line from suicide into homicide.......no big deal.

They're not even advocating suicide/ The absolute only thing that the group is doing is not having any more babies. That's it. No murder, no suicide, no forced sterilization of the populace. Just a voluntary choice to stop procreating.

[Totenkopf]

That's merely a form of genetic suicide, ET. My point is that anyone who wants to leave the earth "cleansed" of humanity is welcome to do so as long as they restrict their efforts to themselves. And, since they don't seem to be advocating anything beyond themselves......I'm not getting exorcised over it.

[Web Rider]

That's merely a form of genetic suicide, ET. My point is that anyone who wants to leave the earth "cleansed" of humanity is welcome to do so as long as they restrict their efforts to themselves. And, since they don't seem to be advocating anything beyond themselves......I'm not getting exorcised over it.

 

not really, suicide is the purposeful destruction of a currently living, not about to die naturally thing.

 

I think extinction is still be most accruate term, because they're letting themslves die out, they're not outright killing themselves or anyone else.

[i_shot_the_jedi]

Before I dismiss this as lunatic ravings, I'm pondering just how serious this group is trying to be: they seem to accept that their cause is hopeless and present a friendly, humorous attitude; yet they do seem to be pressing their points pretty hard (the pictures being the spoonful of sugar perhaps).

 

I'll step back from the monster-raving-loony assessment of their character for a second and try to analyse this with a balanced mind.

 

Let's address their apparent aim: the total extinction of mankind. I'd like to suggest - though it's likely that I'm overstimating their intelligence or just reaching for a position of sanity - that this "human extinction" position is simply a striking absurdist attempt to gain attention and generate discussion; the actual objective being human selflessness and respect for all life achieved through making us think heavily on the matter of Earth minus humanity. For all you Star Wars fans, you may recall a likeminded old coot stating (I can't find the exact quote) "a good teacher doesn't mash a book in his student's face shouting 'Learn this bit here!'".

 

Then again, I could be pursuing sense and reason when there is none. If their aim is indeed to destroy mankind, then I guess I would agree that this is a sad case of entirely losing faith in humanity for the 'greater good' of all life.

[Totenkopf]

not really, suicide is the purposeful destruction of a currently living, not about to die naturally thing.

 

I think extinction is still be most accruate term, because they're letting themslves die out, they're not outright killing themselves or anyone else.

 

 

That's why I wrote "a form of genetic" versus physical. If you purposefully keep your own genetic material out of the common gene pool, you've in essence commited a form of genetic suicide. Thus, you've purposefully destroyed your genetic line. If you guide your own "extinction", you've effectively commited suicide (and are just waiting around to die physically).

[Jae Onasi]

Nancy Allen''', I provided the quote where he actually mentioned it, and Les personally said that it was idle in this very thread.

 

Achilles, can you please get back on topic? I do not want this thread to be derailed. The Rapture can't be caused by anyone anyway, it's supposed to be done by God whenever he so desires, and it's not even confirmed in the Bible anyhow.

 

Bingo--time to get back on topic. I pruned the off-topic posts. For everyone, not just Nancy and Achilles, keep the religion discussion in the religion threads, please. Thanks.