How do you see Jedi Exile in kotor3

[Jvstice]

I'd really like to see some closure with Revan. I'd like there to be some drastic difference in the thinngs you can do with both if both are recruitable.

 

Revan is supposed to be the "heart of the power of the force. Exile is supposed to be invisible to those that see in the force. I'd kind of like to see something done with that.

 

Exile would be the ultimate Watchman or Sith Assassin, able to invisibly track even those ideally suited to seeing in the force, and immune to certain force powers. Revan should be powerful in whatever his or her chosen field, almost to the point of being freakish.

 

I'd have a lot less problem with a dead Exile than a Dead Revan. Killing off Exile would bring a lot of closure to the galaxy. Not exactly a Jedi. Not exactly a sith. Not even a normal Non Jedi Force user. And I'd kind of like to see an echo swell out and consume the sith home world.

 

Spoiler... sort of....

 

 

 

 

 

 

In Darth Bane, Path of Destruction, Revan's holicron taught Bane how to create a force bomb ritual. It would be interesting to see the exile be the first major known user of such a thing in the SW universe. And this time it be used by those trying to protect the Old Republic, rather than those attacking it directly. It would be an interesting reversal.

[Rogue Warrior]

I think in the proper storyline she would feel regret over going to war, maybe bitterness towards the Jedi. The dialog options seem to indicate this is the case. Given light side being considered canon, and that she is considered a heroine, light sided.

[Beast-Thrasher]

I would like to see both in K3 but not as part of your party, the furthest I could see would be for a little side thing like when some of your companions go to the Sith camp on Dxun while you go to Ondereon, I wouldn't mind seeing something like that only you have the Exile and Revan doing something.

 

 

Maybe something like Revan has been captured and is being tortured on Zoist or another big true Sith planet, the Exile finds out where he is and she and T3 put a plan in motion or maybe just her, In my head I would think she would take T3 with her at the end of K2 and everyone else on a Jedi Academy...Telos or Coruscant to start rebuilding the Jedi ranks but either way T3 or no the Exile finds where Revan is breaks into a fortress to save Revan they bust out of there while a bunch of true sith warriors are trying to contain, capture, or kill them(You know those big red guys) So Revan was saved by the exile then later as they're trying to escape the exile gets in trouble and Rev saves her and then this could go either way they escape together get on the Exile's ship that she managed to hide from the notice of the sith then they take off to Coruscant or something to warn the Republic and prepare or they're escaping they're in a tight spot, looks impossible for them to get out of this one and then BAAM! T3 comes flying in with a ship(not the Ebon Hawk, that was left on Telos or Coruscant for repairs) guns blazing while the exile and rev hop on the landing entrance and get the heck outta there.

 

I want a new character in K3 a new Jedi and one that isn't all super powerful, just a regular jedi that has a bigger role to play but isn't made out to be the last possible hope the galaxy has or we're doomed. When you're finished your training and go out on missions on your ship I don't think Revan and the Exile would join you as being super powerful Jedi and they have their own things to do, I guess you could talk to them once or twice or they could give you hints and advice.

[mimartin]

I do not want to see Exile in KOTOR 3. I really don’t even want the Exile talked about over being merely mentioned. My reason being is my Exile is not cannon, and my Exile had her own reason for joining the Mandalorina War. The Exile isn’t a cookie cutter PC like Revan, she has more depth and more choices in TSL for us to decide the PC motivations behind certain events.

 

If KOTOR 3 is made, I don’t want the developers to destroy KOTOR or TSL and I certainly don’t want them to destroy my favorite PC of all time. They would even have to know your PC name and record voices for each name, because you certainly wouldn’t call the Exile, the Exile any more. She is now a master in the Jedi Order (if LS) and has brought the order back from nothingness.

[SilentScope001]

If K3 comes out:

 

The Exile will likely be waring a mask (Darth Nihilus) and won't speak at all or in Sith-like langauge. He/She will also be located in the Unknown Regions, and won't be in any real control over the Jedi/Sith Order that he has created, except for a nominal title of Jedi Master or Sith Lord. Instead, The Exile is busy allying with Revan and attacking the True Sith.

 

Maybe he wouldn't appear and just be mentioned. Or maybe he would be killed off along with Revan.

 

I would object if Revan and Exile do join up with the Third PC's party, the game is about the Third PC who should be the hero...and NOT about the Third PC being a "sidekick" to Revan and Exile. Ego-stroking is very objectionable.

[Rev7]

I like the idea if the Exile and Revan teamed up togather, to stop some dangerous threat or go on some "adventureous" mission.

[Sir Vougalot]

With my eyes.

[Rev7]

With my eyes.

well of course...

[Jediphile]

I've always taken the vision of Revan in the tomb on Korriban in TSL as an indication that Revan and exile will both be DS in KotOR3, and that the exile will be Revan's subordinate. That bit has always looked like foreshadowing of what was to come in KotOR3.

 

Then again, since KotOR3 was not developed and published as originally planned, that is all now subject to change.

 

But I do suspect that was Avellone's original intention with that Vision of Revan in TSL - the only time we ever see him in the game.

[Rev7]

I also agree with Avellone's original intention. I mean you hardly hear of the name "Revan" in TSL, and the Exile only had that vision because of what happened in the past. Maybe seeing Revan was an indication of what is to come??

[Jediphile]

I also agree with Avellone's original intention. I mean you hardly hear of the name "Revan" in TSL, and the Exile only had that vision because of what happened in the past. Maybe seeing Revan was an indication of what is to come??

 

I think so too. I mean, consider the visions we see. There are four of them - the shyrack nest and infinite hssiss spawning points do not count, since they are just monster that live in the cave.

 

The first vision is of Malak recruiting young jedi for Revan's crusade against the mandalorians. This is the past, before the Mandalorian Wars.

 

Next is the minefield, which is during the Mandalorian Wars. Also the past.

 

Then you have a scene where Kreia is confronted by Atton and Bao-Dur with other companions joining in. Clearly this is a vision of the present.

 

And finally you have a vision, where you meet Revan. You must fight him, but note that just before you do, you can see an image of yourself (the exile) standing behind him. If you learned Force Sight from Visas, you can confirm that both the visions of both Revan and yourself are exceedingly darksided, probably even with dark side mastery.

 

Now, consider the timeline. First you have before the Mandalorian Wars, then during the Mandalorians, then the present, and then... what?

 

If you've played the exile as LS, then he has never been darksided - at worst he could be called only "grey" during his years of wandering. Indeed, that he did not turn to the dark side at Malachor V is the very source of his problem. Yet the visions of Revan and exile are always extremely darksided, regardless of what alignment you chose for Revan and how you've played the exile during the game.

 

And as the vision of Kreia says what you meet her: "You are to be commended for making it this far.You've revisited the dark moments of your past, and now you must face the present."

 

So first visit moments of the past, then the present... What would follow next?

 

Kreia doesn't say so, of course, but then that is consistent. It would be surprising if she did, since she never volunteers anything, and she always hides her secrets.

[Rev7]

Thank you for the confirmation Jediphile.

[Rogue Warrior]

The visions try and warp the facts, such as Bastila siding with Malek, Kreia not actually being confronted, so how accurate are they?

[Jediphile]

The visions try and warp the facts, such as Bastila siding with Malek, Kreia not actually being confronted, so how accurate are they?

 

Except as Malak points, Bastila did join him. Not right off, but in the end she did. The second vision seems to be very close to what happened. The third vision is a confrontation between Kreia and the companions, which is something that would have happened, if Obsidian had not been forced to cut the sequence due to the rushed deadline.

 

Visions like this should always distort reality, but what the confrontation with Revan is not something you see in the game - you never meet him. Given that and taking into account how the visions occur in the timeline, it seems pretty obvious to me, that the vision of Revan represents the future.

 

What happens in the future is, of course, ambiguous to say the least. Otherwise it would be a big spoiler. But I would conclude three things from what I see that vision, because they are quite prominent during the event:

 

1. The exile will meet Revan (This fits with the end, where Kreia tells him that he must follow Revan).

2. The will both turn to the dark side.

3. There will be a confrontation between (this need not be an actual lightsaber duel, but it could be).

 

But yes, this is conjecture. It certainly is now that KotOR3 is on hold, since that means the plot will be whatever the devs who get to do decide for the plot, if or when the project is finally begun.

[Rev7]

The visions try and warp the facts, such as Bastila siding with Malek, Kreia not actually being confronted, so how accurate are they?

I agree with Jediphile. Those Jedi that were in the vision where only some of the Jedi that followed Revan. If you logically look at this situation it is in an order: Malak recruiting (past),vison with Kreia (present), confrontation with Revan (future). This obviously is a sort of spoiler for KotOR III, or a book, or comic on KotOR III.

[Bedlem Wildfire]

IMO I thought having kreia was crap I hated being an exile it forced you to not be able to create *your own char* .yeah i know you are actualy reven in kotor 1 but at least you were able to choose weather to destroy the jedi or save them, and for 3/4 of the game you didn't know anything bout that.I hope you are not a set ploted char in K3 but merly a bystander that *becomes* a legend.And maybe discuss reven and the exile but i dont want any part of kreia in k3 not even her ghost .

[Jediphile]

I don't think the Exile needs to be wearing Nihilus' mask. First of all, why would he/she wear it at all, even if he'she is dark-sided?

 

1. Why did Nihilus wear it?

 

2. Because it's cool!

 

I for one wouldn't mind seeing the Exile appearing different than how he did when I played as him.

 

Actually, I'm not terribly concerned about it either. But honestly, it's not a problem - just let the player pick the faces of both Revan and exile and be done with it. It may be elegant, but it's over quickly and keeps people happier.

 

That said, I want to see both Revan and exile both with and without masks. I'd want exile to wear the Nihilus mask and then wipe the floor with his companions from TSL who fear Nihilus has returned only to rip the mask off and see their old friend and mentor. That could be so cool

[Meowster]

I don't know exactly how my Exile would fit into the game...and well,I'd rather NOT use Nihlius' mask...wouldn't it be possible for whoever makes KotOR 3, to simply use the heads from the first one, which they did in the second one? Then simply, you could just choose what Revan / Exile looked like.

 

Thinking about it, I'd rather not for my Exile to appear...I'd be simply happy with a mention. Although that token doesn't go with Revan... I just want to find Revan for once..

[dcinroc]

I don't think The Exile (or Revan) will make a personal appearance.

 

In terms of continuity it'd be difficult considering that both characters were PCs in the past. I mean how many "The Exile was a woman..." type conversations can we have? And even though determining sex might be easy, there would still be reconciling LS/DS and even faces from the first two games...unless BOTH characters are going to show up in masks all the time. (or borrow Kreia's robes).

 

Personally, I think the story of KOTOR 3 should revolve around the rebuilding of the Jedi/Sith...with a possible third group of "Gray" Jedi (heretics) who reject both sides following the devastation of the last two wars. The stories of The Exile and Revan should be important backdrops...and perhaps we can even learn their ultimate fates...but I'd be very surprised if they actually showed up as NPCs.

 

Furthermore, who is going to even KNOW anything about The Exile? Vogga? Zherron? Moza? Goto? The surviving party members? (cue T3-M4)

[Jvstice]

Now that I see the logic of the visions set out, I wouldn't be terribly surprised or upset with a canon DS Revan and Exile at least at some point in K3. If the foreshadowing's been there, I think it makes for a better and more consistent story to follow through.

 

I'd kind of like seeing both with and without masks. It would be interesting if you start out with the choices of Exile's appearance, and it give you only the character face from K2 as Exile's DS appearance.

 

I'd really like to see Revan and Exile differentiated a lot in terms of abilities rather than just being uber powerful force users to appear in the game. It kept making a big deal about their specialties in both games.

 

As far as Exile's powers, and interesting twist would be if Exile's killing Nihilus and Kreia left him or her with ONLY the special powers, force forms, lightsaber forms, that the character either spontaneously learned, encountered as unique traits of Sith Lords, and the like. Think about it. A force user with beast trick, force crush, force sight, possible invisibility abilities without a stealth generator, DS healing 100% healing ability, ability to drain living beings of life, who can't cast a simple normal force heal on the party, force lightning, destroy droid (especially if there is a droid area), or force choke. I think it could be interesting to have such a character in the party if they never become a real jedi or sith, but remain loyal to revan and opposed to the true sith.

[The Architect]

Actually, I don't think Revan and the Exile would be difficult at all to bring back in KotOR III without going canon. Here's how I'd do it, which I know is almost exactly the same as how Jediphile would do it.

 

I've taken a passage I wrote early on from a KotOR III plot suggestion I began working on before, but then stopped, although I'm planning on getting back into it...

 

Note #1: *I’m of the notion that the player must be allowed to select the genders and alignments of Revan and the Exile in KotOR III. However, for the sake of simplicity, I’m going to refer to Revan as he and the Exile as she, since that’s their canonical genders. I can’t always keep on saying Revan or the Exile and I’d rather not keep saying he/she, his/her, himself/herself all the time...

 

The True Sith

 

The True Sith are the descendants of the remnants of a fleet that once belonged to the ancient Dark Lords Marka Ragnos, Naga Sadow and Ludo Kressh. The remnants fled into the Unknown Regions to secretly rebuild their shattered Empire.

 

However due to the nature of the Sith, civil war after civil war among them interminably hindered their rebuilding phase. Eventually though, they developed an army capable enough of crushing the Old Republic.

 

But then the Mandalorian Wars and the Jedi Civil War came about, allowing the True Sith to simply put their feet up and watch their enemies tear each other apart. However, during this time of war, the former Dark Lord of the True Sith was overthrown, leading to yet another vast division in their Empire.

 

Additionally during this time, Revan had learnt of the existence of the True Sith at the Trayus Academy of Malachor V. Following the Jedi Civil War, the True Sith hierarchy was preparing to invade a terribly weak and vulnerable Republic, however...

 

LS Revan

 

Following the Jedi Civil War, Revan’s memories began returning, which meant recalling learning of a threat from the Unknown Regions known as the True Sith. Aware of the crippled state the Republic and the Jedi were in, he planned to **** them up before they could invade and hurt his friends and allies.

 

He ventured fourth into the Unknown Regions to weaken the True Sith from within by embroiling them in a new civil war. He sacrificed himself to the dark side and given his strong knowledge of Sith powers, natural charismatic leadership qualities, militarily strategically gifted mind and disunion the True Sith were in, had little difficulty in joining a True Sith faction.

 

He isn’t expecting to defeat the hierarchy of the True Sith, just to undermine them and allow his allies back in known space time to rebuild, recover and finish the job. So this is what LS Revan has been doing all this time. He’s wearing his old mask and costume.

 

DS Revan

 

Following the Jedi Civil War, Revan’s memories began returning, which meant recalling learning of a threat from the Unknown Regions known as the True Sith. Aware of the crippled state his Sith Empire were in, he planned to **** them up and take over as the new Dark Lord before they could destroy him.

 

In case you’re wondering how Revan’s Sith armada fell from potency to fragility, the Star Forge was consuming many of them, driving them to absurdity. They were killing each other off, their numbers dropping like flies.

 

Revan abandoned the Star Forge because he knew it would bring about his doom. He journeyed alone to the Unknown Regions not only because he didn't have the personnel capable of stopping the True Sith, but because trust and cooperation aren't traits of the dark side.

 

One could argue that he didn't bring Bastila along with him because he doesn't even trust her, or because he didn't want her to get hurt. So whatever way you look at it, Revan is in his old mask and robes and is a Sith Lord fighting for a battalion of True Sith forces against the hierarchy of the True Sith Empire.

 

Note 4#: Note that since Revan's memories fully returned, he's gained some of his old personality back and is now a mixture of the person he was in KotOR and the person he was pre-KotOR.

 

He isn't completely LS because he's had to adopt a dark side using bad good guy approach to screw the True Sith up. However he isn't completely DS because his old, tactical, discreet, meticulous, cool headed mentality is back, which he'll need to have to succeed in this civil war.

 

LS Exile

 

The Exile journeyed into the Unknown Regions to search for Revan and help him fight against the True Sith. Realising that Revan couldn't possibly be fighting against them all on his own, she understood that if he is alive and well, he'd likely be fighting for a True Sith faction and trying to take over their Empire or cripple them from within, since that's the sort of thing Revan would do.

 

She understood she'd certainly have to become a ruthless, dark side using goodie and join a True Sith faction to survive and have any hope of stopping or at least weakening these jerks. It wasn't easy for the Exile to find Revan.

 

Eventually she did, having to hide and fight several less than welcoming Sith along the way to get to him. Given that Revan knew her and could tell that she was LS, he spoke to her at length, explaining to her what he’s been doing and asking her to sacrifice herself to the dark side.

 

Revan made the Exile understand that the dark energy she cut herself off from at Malachor V amalgamated with and revived the dead body of a male Jedi Knight who became Darth Nihilus. Hence, Darth Nihilus was her own creation.

 

Knowing that the Exile is LS, Revan explained to her that she could merge with the dark energy she abandoned and seal the wound in the Force, potentially saving countless lives and giving her strong dark powers she could use to help him in his struggle against the powerful leaders of the True Sith Empire.

 

All she had to do was drink an ancient Sith potion made by Naga Sadow that Revan discovered at an old outpost of his on Khar Shian, and within several minutes, no longer would she be a wound in the Force.

 

She did and became Revan’s apprentice, a pseudo-Sith fighting in a war alongside her old war companion against the hierarchy of the True Sith. Now the prospect of Revan leading the True Sith rebellion alongside apprentice the Exile in a major space battle against the True Sith hierarchy isn’t far off from becoming a reality.

 

DS Exile

 

The Exile journeyed into the Unknown Regions to search for Revan and help him fight against the True Sith. Realising that Revan couldn't possibly be fighting against them all on his own, she understood that if he is alive and well, he'd likely be fighting for a True Sith faction and trying to take over their Empire or cripple them from within, since that's the sort of thing Revan would do.

 

Eventually she found Revan, having to hide and fight several less than welcoming Sith along the way to get to him. Given that Revan knew her and could tell that she was DS, he spoke to her at length, explaining to her what he’s been doing and asking her to join the Sith faction whom he’s fighting for.

 

The Exile agreed to. Revan also made the Exile understand that the dark energy she cut herself off from at Malachor V amalgamated with and revived the dead body of a male Jedi Knight who became Darth Nihilus. Hence, Darth Nihilus was her own creation.

 

Once again, knowing that the Exile is DS, Revan explained to her that she could merge with the dark energy she abandoned and become a very powerful Sith Lord, using her strong dark powers to help him in his struggle against the powerful leaders of the True Sith Empire.

 

All she had to do was drink an ancient Sith potion made by Naga Sadow that Revan discovered at an old outpost of his on Khar Shian, and within several minutes, no longer would she be a wound in the Force.

 

She did and became Revan’s apprentice, a Sith fighting in a war alongside her old war companion against the hierarchy of the True Sith. Now the prospect of Revan leading the True Sith rebellion alongside apprentice the Exile in a major space battle against the True Sith hierarchy isn’t far off from becoming a reality.

 

Note 5#: So whatever way you look at it, the Exile and Revan are working together against the True Sith. While their motives may differ, like Revan might be trying to destroy the True Sith and the Exile might be trying to take them over or vice versa, they both have a common enemy to stop first. By the way, the Exile is now wearing the mask and robe of Darth Nihilus...

 

Have four voice actors, two for Revan and two for the Exile and you're done.

 

Okay, so that’s that...

 

Contrary to the opinion of some, I don't think it'd be all that difficult for the developers to make a quality KotOR III plot that doesn't follow canon.

[SkiKing]

I wouldn't mind being a new PC character, maybe as a Padawan for the newly reformed Jedi Order. You have a few missions where u travel with your Master (for leveling/basic tutorial purposes). You may ultimately be a part of a small Jedi party on a mission to find Revan and the Exile. On your journey, the party of Jedi, including your master are killed by the Sith. As the sole survivor you must continue the mission alone. You arrive in the unknown region and the search is on. I don't have a real plot after that point. I personally don't care about the Exile, but if you find her thats fine. I def. want Revan though, as a playable character.

[dcinroc]

I wouldn't mind being a new PC character, maybe as a Padawan for the newly reformed Jedi Order. You have a few missions where u travel with your Master (for leveling/basic tutorial purposes). You may ultimately be a part of a small Jedi party on a mission to find Revan and the Exile.

 

That is along the lines of what I was thinking. Perhaps start as a refugee/escaped slave on Nar Shadda at the time of the Exile's adventures (prologue). There, your Force Sensitivity is discovered and (according to your dialogue choices) you are pointed to a Jedi or Sith Master to be trained.

 

A possibility I'd like to see explored is the ability to CHOOSE not to be a Jedi, playing all or most of the game as a regular character...such as a bounty hunter or Republic agent. One possibilty I have considered is that the Republic is fed up with the Jedi and Sith and has begun to form their own unit of Force Sensitives (like the Imperial Knights).

 

However, having 3 or 4 paths to choose instead of just two might be too complicated for the developers.