Darth Payne Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 Your datapad idea has merit. When we first run into bastila on the temple, her lighsaber is active. Spawning Belayas dead body shouldn't be too difficult. Heck, Juhani seeing her lovers dead body could even help her over to the darkside.
Darth Kalverys Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 That's actually a better idea than the one stated earlier, about Juhani killin her that is... at least it is imo...
Darth Payne Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 Yep, i figured as moch. Now we must convince Gavroche and lactose of the merit of this idea.
Darth Kalverys Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 Maybe they'll consider it after reading all that's been posted on the topic on here...
Darth Kalverys Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 If they didn't I'd do it... but I can't script worth a flip... so that won't happen, at least not until I learn...
murdrax Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 i dont know why but minuite i read this i just keep having the image of juani force choking in my head you can already do it to that pig thing on manaan so why not have juhani do it to her former friend it could even be her final push into the darkside and not to mention show her new allegience to revan lol!!
Darth Payne Posted January 29, 2008 Posted January 29, 2008 maybe, it would be easier to incorporate the already dead Belaya into the work already done.
murdrax Posted January 30, 2008 Posted January 30, 2008 true but it wouldnt be as much fun to watch as it would seeing her choke her hehehehe!!
ganoesparan06 Posted January 30, 2008 Posted January 30, 2008 Thats a bit overly ambitious i think. Just wait and see if its possible to keep Juhani...
Darth Payne Posted January 30, 2008 Posted January 30, 2008 Umm, i didn't think spawning one dead body and changing a single line would take that much work.
Darth Kalverys Posted January 30, 2008 Posted January 30, 2008 Well there is one problem about the line thing... Bastila's/Juhani's line would just kinda be... well "blank" no vo's whatsoever... unless someone went back and changed ALL the lines to their own voice, and that's a lot of work...
murdrax Posted February 1, 2008 Posted February 1, 2008 myself think vo dont matter ive seen several out there without them which is just fine in my opinion anyways hopefully the mod makers get back soon!!
Darth Payne Posted February 1, 2008 Posted February 1, 2008 True, some of the mods are pretty good without VO. Actually having the VO makes the mod even better though, in my opinion. And i still think that having Juhani see Belaya's dead body behind Bastila, who's saber is active, would help push Juhani into the darkside. Also having Bastilas stats the same or slightly better than before she was turned is a good idea. If not, then is this mod compatible with the Real Bastila mod?
Weiser_Cain Posted February 3, 2008 Author Posted February 3, 2008 Not to get picky but I'd prefer any additional changes to be separate but compatible mods, both for the sake of getting one mod out the door and for those that don't want the extra content.
Meowster Posted February 4, 2008 Posted February 4, 2008 I agree with Weiser_Cain. Make sure you can even make Juhani live, before you do anything too flashy. I am looking forward to this, and will follow it through. Good luck!
lactose_ Posted February 4, 2008 Posted February 4, 2008 Hi! I'm back after my trip, but between getting back to work and study and the unpacking and the jet-lag I haven't really done much else. I note the additional ideas but personally I'll try to avoid making it too complicated... The Belaya one probably does not have the requisite VOs, which makes it no-go for me. Even worse is the gap in plotlines... it's just too much of a stretch to the imagination. Maybe Gavroche may want to do it, but I can't speak for him. Sorry... :| Gavroche, if you've sorted out your system problems, could you post what exactly you did for your Xor-killing Boolean in globalcat.2da so I can make mine compatible with yours? I'll try and get it all functional first, the bells & whistles can be added in later.
Gavroche Posted February 4, 2008 Posted February 4, 2008 Sorry for the delay. I've finished the mod (even TSLPatch'd it) just to assist to another crash -- What I did was: Added killed_xor (boolean) and kept_juhani (boolean) in globalcat.2da Made the changes in evilbast.dlg (see screenshot in one of my post above) Edited k_hjuh_s03.ncs (which fires when Juhani decides to kill Xor) so that it adds DS points to Juhani and set killed_xor to TRUE Edited again evilbast.dlg and made a custom script keptjuhani.ncs fire so that it sets kept_juhani to TRUE Edited Bastila's dialogue (k_hbas_dialog.dlg IIRC) so that if kept_juhani is TRUE, then Bastila says "With each passing moment your apprentice become stronger etc" and the scripts to disable the shield and the disruptor fire. The reason why I didn't also use killed_xor to check what Bastila must say is that by doing so, she would keep saying "With each passing moment your apprentice become stronger etc" as soon as you kill Xor. Thus I needed this second boolean. Of course, I placed the new branch at the highest place in Bastila's dialogue tree (just under "Bastila doesn't want to talk with ennemies nearby"). Here, that's what I've done with Juhani (and of course I edited unk41_carth.dlg so that Carth wonders only about Jolee. I used killed_xor boolean because I edited this dialogue before realizing I needed a second one). Right now, my computer is, like, dead. I'm with my parents' PC right now. So I won't be able to upload the mod before a long moment. Feel free to release it when you'll have something working lactose_
lactose_ Posted February 4, 2008 Posted February 4, 2008 Excellent! That was a very quick reply. I was worried you hadn't sorted things out yet. I've been re-thinking the part about editing Bastila's dialogue and firing the shield deactivation scripts from there. The problem is that you could immediately do this as soon as Juhani joins you, meaning that if you stunned Jolee without killing him and got your party out of the way, you could get out of the Temple and leave Jolee alive. It's kind of a glitchable (if there's such a word!) thing that you could exploit for the heck of it. Do you think it's possible to avoid this, or do you not mind leaving it in?
Gavroche Posted February 4, 2008 Posted February 4, 2008 I suggest we remain silent about this and if someone finds out we just say "Yeah it was intentional folks ;D That's cause we're working on a secret mod for TSL called "Jolee's über-revenge after being left behind like some arthritic statue by Revan", sounds so cool, doesn't it?". << >> OK, I don't really know what to do there :s I suggest we leave it for the time being.
lactose_ Posted February 4, 2008 Posted February 4, 2008 Hahahaha! Oh man... If only DeNCS could work properly (for us at least ), then we could see exactly what's governing the accessibility of the Rakatan Computer. That would solve all the problems methinks.
murdrax Posted February 4, 2008 Posted February 4, 2008 i like that revenge of jolee idea hehehe revenge is he comes streaking across the screen flashing revans and others his wrinkly old ass hehehehe!!
Darth Payne Posted February 5, 2008 Posted February 5, 2008 Is there going to be DS transition for Juhani? Orsan has a pretty good one, might give you an idea or two.
Weiser_Cain Posted February 6, 2008 Author Posted February 6, 2008 If he enables it the way I think he might I'll do a few, though I've been busy writing lately.
lactose_ Posted February 6, 2008 Posted February 6, 2008 Yes, I plan to add DS transitions, although I believe Gavroche's mod will not. I'll be working on those later once I get all the dialogues right... I'm still trying to come up with a way to avoid some of the problems discussed above, and then I'll work on the hundreds of lines of dialogue with Juhani so you can lure her to the Dark Side. Phew! I'm tired just thinking about the amount of work! I'll request your help, Weiser_Cain, if I find it's too much for me to handle. In the meantime I hope Gavroche manages to upload his work first so you guys have something to play with, cos mine still has a loooong way to go. Danyael27, do you have a link to Orsan's mod so I can check it out?
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