Obama's Connection to ACORN?

[GarfieldJL]

In order to "hide" something, you have to have done it in the first place. Since he hasn't done anything, he's not hiding anything. See the logic here?

 

Uh it has come out that he was hiding the depth of his association to these people and organizations.

 

For example his 'Ayers merely neighbors and out children went to school together' explanation. It turns out they were on the same boards together, heck they even made the rules for one of the foundations they both were on. Top that off his kids and Ayers' kids couldn't have gone to school together, see the problem with his story.

[Web Rider]

Uh it has come out that he was hiding the depth of his association to these people and organizations.

 

For example his 'Ayers merely neighbors and out children went to school together' explanation. It turns out they were on the same boards together, heck they even made the rules for one of the foundations they both were on. Top that off his kids and Ayers' kids couldn't have gone to school together, see the problem with his story.

 

So, he knew this guy better than he said. Does that make him a terrorist? No, it doesn't. He probably wanted to keep it low 'cause he knew all the media morons would have a field day with it and it would distract from ACTUAL issues.

 

Hey, I'm not the biggest fan of Obama, but seriously, there are far more important things to talk about.

[mimartin]

Hey, I'm not the biggest fan of Obama, but seriously, there are far more important things to talk about.

Well if the Right can’t find anything real to criticize Obama on, the just must rely on making stuff up. Obama is a Muslim. Obama is friends with terrorist. Obama did illegal activity for ACORN. We have no real proof mind you, but if he wasn’t guilty he could prove his innocents.

 

Now that the polls are going against John McCain I look for more of these scare tactics from the right.

[SD Nihil]

Well if the Right can’t find anything real to criticize Obama on, the just must rely on making stuff up. Obama is a Muslim. Obama is friends with terrorist. Obama did illegal activity for ACORN. We have no real proof mind you, but if he wasn’t guilty he could prove his innocents.

 

Now that the polls are going against John McCain I look for more of these scare tactics from the right.

 

 

 

I'd like to see evidence to these things, but I do not believe Obama is a Muslim. That was a rumor that has never been proven. Obama has said he's Christian. And even if he was Muslim who cares. Why would that be a bad thing? It should'nt.

 

You may say because we are in a war fighting Muslims. No. We are fighting terrorists who happen to be of Muslim faith. Muslims are not bad. It's those extremists who pervert the religion, it's those few who have twisted Muslim faith to ensite violence and holy war. But it is not a bad religion. And even if Obama was Muslim that's not a bad thing. There are extremist Morman cults who have raped children. Does this mean the Morman faith is bad? No the Morman faith is not bad. Because a few Catholic leaders raped young boys does not make the Catholic faith bad. The individuals who did the wrong are at fault, not the religion.

 

A religion isn't bad, people can be bad, and people can manipulate. I believe most Muslims are good people who some openly disagree heavily with our culture and what they deem as sinful. They have every right to have an opinion as do other religions.

 

So to say Obama's Muslim and that would be a bad thing in my opinion is wrong. Yeah I'm a conservative and I can point out when someone in my opinion is wrong about even the guy I'm not voting for.

[GarfieldJL]

I'd like to see evidence to these things, but I do not believe Obama is a Muslim. That was a rumor that has never been proven. Obama has said he's Christian. And even if he was Muslim who cares. Why would that be a bad thing? It should'nt.

 

Not sure what this has to do with his ACORN association

Well here's some key things you aren't paying attention to :

 

1. Obama's father and step-father were Muslim

a. under Islamic Law you are born a Muslim if your father was Muslim, and it is sacrilige of the highest order if you reject Allah after being a Muslim.

-. I don't see Muslim groups calling for his head in fact groups like Hamas are actively supporting him.

2. If he is actually a Muslim and not a Christian it wouldn't really be that big of a deal, IF assuming he's a Muslim had been up front and honest about his faith. But if he is actually a Muslim and it comes out, then his campaign is finished because he'd have been lieing to everyone and the idea emerges, with his aide's secretly meeting with Hamas, that he's actually a sleeper agent.

 

That's Obama's problem compared to McCain.

McCain has been up front on negatives and if something is his fault he takes responsibility, but Obama on the other hand accuses people whom criticize him of being "fear-mongerers", racists, etc.

[SD Nihil]

Not sure what this has to do with his ACORN association

Well here's some key things you aren't paying attention to :

 

1. Obama's father and step-father were Muslim

a. under Islamic Law you are born a Muslim if your father was Muslim, and it is sacrilige of the highest order if you reject Allah after being a Muslim.

-. I don't see Muslim groups calling for his head in fact groups like Hamas are actively supporting him.

2. If he is actually a Muslim and not a Christian it wouldn't really be that big of a deal, IF assuming he's a Muslim had been up front and honest about his faith. But if he is actually a Muslim and it comes out, then his campaign is finished because he'd have been lieing to everyone and the idea emerges, with his aide's secretly meeting with Hamas, that he's actually a sleeper agent.

 

That's Obama's problem compared to McCain.

McCain has been up front on negatives and if something is his fault he takes responsibility, but Obama on the other hand accuses people whom criticize him of being "fear-mongerers", racists, etc.

 

His relations being Muslim does not make him (Obama) Muslim. Just because a religion says your father and stuff were Muslim and says that makes you Muslim does not prevent that person from choosing not to be Muslim.

 

I simply was responding to others who saw claims by people saying Obama is Muslim like that would be a bad thing.

 

I think Muslims like him or prefer him over McCain because they think he won't be as tough or do the things McCain might do if elected.

 

And you said IF. Again it has not ben proven. McCain like you I'm voting for. I'm voting more for Palin though. But I believe this about him being Muslim is a rumor nothing more. A Christian family has a son and that son can choose to be athest. A family of Mormans can have a daughter that can choose to be Catholic. No matter what a religion says we can choose to follow it, continue to follow it, not follow it, and change. We live in a country where you can have freedom of religion or freedom not to have a religion. regardless if one religion considers that sacrilige.

 

If he turns out to be a sleeper agent IF elected I'll say your right. But at this point this him being Muslim is just a rumor not fact.

[GarfieldJL]

I'm just pointing out that I'm not talking about the religion itself, I'm talking about being straight up and honest with the American People, if it comes out that Obama is actually a Muslim (assuming he is), it hurts his credibility. Just like his credibility would be hurt if people actually reported about how close his associations with Ayers and ACCORN are.

[SD Nihil]

I'm just pointing out that I'm not talking about the religion itself, I'm talking about being straight up and honest with the American People, if it comes out that Obama is actually a Muslim (assuming he is), it hurts his credibility. Just like his credibility would be hurt if people actually reported about how close his associations with Ayers and ACCORN are.

 

I agree he's lied about other things. I agree that if any candidate lies that hurts their credibility. But again it has yet to be proven that he's Muslim. But if it is proven then yes him saying he's Christian would be a lie. But currently it's a rumor that is not the same as the facts he's been wrong on or lied about.

[GarfieldJL]

I agree he's lied about other things. I agree that if any candidate lies that hurts their credibility. But again it has yet to be proven that he's Muslim. But if it is proven then yes him saying he's Christian would be a lie. But currently it's a rumor that is not the same as the facts he's been wrong on or lied about.

 

Back to topic, the fact he's involved in Chicago Politics and his "community organizing" is tied directly to a group that is well-known for voter fraud is pretty damning.

[Det. Bart Lasiter]

Back to topic, the fact he's involved in Chicago Politics and his "community organizing" is tied directly to a group that is well-known for voter fraud is pretty damning.

And McCain just added $150 billion in pork to the bailout bill, how about we call it even and admit that Obama, McCain, and every other politician in this country is crooked as ****?

[GarfieldJL]

And McCain just added $150 billion in pork to the bailout bill, how about we call it even and admit that Obama, McCain, and every other politician in this country is crooked as ****?

 

It wasn't him who added the pork to the bill, he voted for the overall bill rather than see the entire bill tank and watch the economy collapse.

 

 

Also wasn't Obama supposed to be a new kind of politician, by your statement, he's just more of the same.

[SD Nihil]

And McCain just added $150 billion in pork to the bailout bill, how about we call it even and admit that Obama, McCain, and every other politician in this country is crooked as ****?

 

I agree. Both Obama and McCain were for the bailout bill which regretfully just passed today. I feel it's the same bill as before, but with a lot of pork and regulations added in to regulate stuff, but worded to where it really cannot be enforced. Also, it gives Polsin and the same people who did this stuff the power. The same guys on Wall Street who did the wrong things in the first place. And you wonder why congress's approval rating is so low. The majority of their constituents (us) contacting them they've ignored. The politions we elected. So they work for us. And they should listen to us because we basically employed them.

 

The last time they said it was simply because the bill wasn't explained well enough. Yes it was. I feel that even with a bill we are going to go down hill here. It's just I don't want those that barrowed more than they should've, and made the bad decisions should get a bailout.

[GarfieldJL]

I agree. Both Obama and McCain were for the bailout bill which regretfully just passed today. I feel it's the same bill as before, but with a lot of pork and regulations added in to regulate stuff, but worded to where it really cannot be enforced. Also, it gives Polsin and the same people who did this stuff the power. The same guys on Wall Street who did the wrong things in the first place. And you wonder why congress's approval rating is so low. The majority of their constituents (us) contacting them they've ignored. The last time they said it was simply because the bill wasn't explained well enough. Yes it was. I feel that even with a bill we are going to go down hill here. It's just I don't want those that barrowed more than they should've, and made the bad decisions should get a bailout.

 

It was this bill or total collapse because the Democrats in the Senate went on vacation immediately after the passage of this. Also the Senate had to attach this bailout to a bill already there, otherwise they couldn't have even brought this up.

 

Granted President Bush could use military force to drag the Senators back kicking and screaming if need be, but that wouldn't have gone over very well.

[SD Nihil]

It was this bill or total collapse because the Democrats in the Senate went on vacation immediately after the passage of this. Also the Senate had to attach this bailout to a bill already there, otherwise they couldn't have even brought this up.

 

Granted President Bush could use military force to drag the Senators back kicking and screaming if need be, but that wouldn't have gone over very well.

 

I believe that since this bill puts the same overall athority to the same people who messed us Wall Street that the same problems will happen again.

[GarfieldJL]

I believe that since this bill puts the same overall athority to the same people who messed us Wall Street that the same problems will happen again.

 

What else could they do, you advocating President Bush to have used the Military to haul the US Senate back in.

[SD Nihil]

What else could they do, you advocating President Bush to have used the Military to haul the US Senate back in.

 

I'm not advocating that about Bush. I'm simply saying whether we have a bailout bill or not I simply believe we are going to have a tough time here anyway. And the last thing I want to do is give Wall Street a bailout when they and others caused this mess in the first place. And this bill gives those who did this mess in the first place the power overall.

 

So yeah I agree with the majority who called their congressmen and said don't pass this bill. Sadly they passed it. And I think Bush is going along with the bill to get himself out of the hot seat for the overspending he was responsible for too.

[GarfieldJL]

Some sources that talk about Obama and ACORN:

http://www.thebulletin.us/site/news.cfm?newsid=20143051&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=623508&rfi=6

 

 

http://texasholdemblogger.wordpress.com/2008/09/15/acorn-caught-cheating-in-michigan/

 

And Obama is paying ACORN?!?!?

 

 

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/archive/s_584829.html

 

Granted I'm having to use a lot of letters to the Editor and what not, but most news outlets are actively supporting Obama.

[SD Nihil]

Some sources that talk about Obama and ACORN:

http://www.thebulletin.us/site/news.cfm?newsid=20143051&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=623508&rfi=6

 

 

http://texasholdemblogger.wordpress.com/2008/09/15/acorn-caught-cheating-in-michigan/

 

And Obama is paying ACORN?!?!?

 

 

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/archive/s_584829.html

 

Granted I'm having to use a lot of letters to the Editor and what not, but most news outlets are actively supporting Obama.

 

And that's another reason why I believe the majority of the drive by media is pro Obama.

[Det. Bart Lasiter]

Also wasn't Obama supposed to be a new kind of politician, by your statement, he's just more of the same.

Woah there pal, I like to split my scumbag politicians into groups, like a big scummy rainbow stretching from one end of the country to the other.

[GarfieldJL]

Woah there pal, I like to split my scumbag politicians into groups, like a big scummy rainbow stretching from one end of the country to the other.

 

Well what I've pointed out thus far is the tip of the iceberg, he's represented them in voter fraud cases.

 

He's also planned out some of their other activities.

 

Anyways Obama's even lied about working for ACORN.

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-claims-he-never-worked-for-acorn

[mimartin]

Well what I've pointed out thus far is the tip of the iceberg, he's represented them in voter fraud cases.[/Quote] Stretching the truth?

 

Obama was one of the lawyers who represented ACORN in a suit against the state of Illinois. This was not a criminal case and voter fraud is a criminal case.

 

ACORN first case of voter fraud happened in 2004, please explain to me how Obama represented ACORN when by the time the case got to court he was and United States Senator.

[GarfieldJL]

Stretching the truth?

 

Obama was one of the lawyers who represented ACORN in a suit against the state of Illinois. This was not a criminal case and voter fraud is a criminal case.

 

Wasn't that a situation of Illinois was about to take dead people and people that had moved out of state off the voter lists?

 

Or was it the one that caused this current mess involving sub-prime mortgages?

 

ACORN first case of voter fraud happened in 2004, please explain to me how Obama represented ACORN when by the time the case got to court he was and United States Senator.

 

The first case of them getting actually caught that you know of I think there were some other cases before that I can look around, anyways...

 

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/surprise-acorn-busted-in-michigan-voter.html

[mimartin]

Wasn't that a situation of Illinois was about to take dead people and people that had moved out of state off the voter lists?[/Quote] No it was what the Republican's consider holy un-American allowing everyone eligible the right to vote.

Or was it the one that caused this current mess involving sub-prime mortgages?[/Quote] Confusion. McCain was the one that voted to deregulate the banking industry. Even after voting to deregulate the Saving and Loans industry that lead to our last major banking bailout.

 

A few loans in the Chicago or even the state of Illinois does not add up to 750 billion dollars.

 

The first case of them getting actually caught that you know of I think there were some other cases before that I can look around, anyways...[/Quote] For there to be a case in which Obama represented them, then by the very definition they would have had to get caught first.

Criminal Case - A lawsuit brought by a prosecutor employed by the federal, state or local government that charges a person with the commission of a crime.[/Quote]

[GarfieldJL]

 

Also ties YouTube financially to Obama's campaign since YouTube is owned by Time Warner.

 

 

No it was what the Republican's consider holy un-American allowing everyone eligible the right to vote.

I don't consider someone whom died in the Civil War to be eligible to vote.

 

Confusion. McCain was the one that voted to deregulate the banking industry. Even after voting to deregulate the Saving and Loans industry that lead to our last major banking bailout.

 

If you believe that the suit involving Obama lead to this mess, then you must be a Republican member of the House of Representatives and have no true understanding of the scope of this mess. A few loans in the Chicago or even the state of Illinois does not add up to 750 billion dollars.

 

Watch the videos and it tells you who caused this mess.

 

For there to be a case in which Obama to represent them, then by the very definition they would have had to get caught first.

 

Blocking them from taking dead people off voter registration is supporting them.

 

And as far as voting for the Deregulation, Senator McCain wasn't present for the vote. So he couldn't have voted yes.

[Rogue Nine]

Also ties YouTube financially to Obama's campaign since YouTube is owned by Time Warner.

YouTube is owned by Google, kthnx.

 

Watch the videos and it tells you who caused this mess.

Watching obviously biased videos will really change people's minds. Right.